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Old 12-19-2005, 08:18 PM
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alex is a great drummer for the same reason ringo was, or charlie watts......he plays what works well within the context of the song......as opposed to walking all over it.....he was a huge influence on my playing, and is still one of my favorite drummers today......

someone had mentioned that he thought the "1984" kit was rad.....check out the kit he used for the" 0U812" tour......now that kit was sick.....6 kick drums, a north kit, an electronic kit and a conventional ( well, for alex, hahahaha) kit......that set-up was quite the mofo.....

i've seen van halen 5 or 6 times, and he has yet to disappoint me with his performance.....

my 2 cents........
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Old 12-21-2005, 06:46 AM
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AVH is legendary as fas drummers go! Have you tried his sticks?
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Old 12-23-2005, 10:26 PM
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HAHAHAHA!!! Tommy Lee? Tico Torres? Bobby Blotzer? For cryin' out loud! You need to get out and see some drummers, my friend!
hahaha yes I Agree, get out and see some Drummers such as Steve Gadd, Mike Portnoy, Dom Famularo, Virgil Donati, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Coliuta, Tommy Aldridge and Neil Peart just to name a few.
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:16 PM
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Been a HUGE VH fan since '78..Alex is way underrated. His snare sound has never been captured, though..Landee did a great job with Ed's " brown sound", but the snare always sounded small to me....Anyone agree?
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Old 01-10-2006, 05:50 PM
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Why doesnt Alex do a drum clinic if he's so good. It's one thing to perform for the general public, another to perform for drummers
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Old 01-10-2006, 06:50 PM
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Why doesnt Alex do a drum clinic if he's so good. It's one thing to perform for the general public, another to perform for drummers
Is it mandatory that you have to do clinics in order to be considered good or great? A call out to all drummers - make sure you do some clinics or you'll never amount to anything.


Give me a f***king break.
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:19 PM
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I dont think that language will be tolerated in this forum, first of all. If you want to debate fine, but don't get foul on me.

I didnt say it was mandatory, but some drummers just play with bands and dont teach or do things for our community. I just think it would be nice if he shared his expertise, cause a lot of us would like it.

A lot of these commercially successful drummers seem to hide
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Old 01-10-2006, 07:52 PM
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I dont think that language will be tolerated in this forum, first of all. If you want to debate fine, but don't get foul on me.

I didnt say it was mandatory, but some drummers just play with bands and dont teach or do things for our community. I just think it would be nice if he shared his expertise, cause a lot of us would like it.

A lot of these commercially successful drummers seem to hide

I apologize for the profanity.

The part of your initial statement that caught me attention was, "Why doesn’t Alex do a drum clinic if he's so good." Doing or not doing clinics has absolutely nothing to do with his talent or lack there of (whatever side of the fence you stand). I think it's great when a drummer shares what he/she knows about the craft.

My dad has been a professional drummer for almost 50 years, and is a damn good drummer (if I do say so myself). He's played in small clubs, big venues, played with big names and no names. Very educated in the history, technique and musicality of drums (and other instruments), and passes on what he has learned over the years by giving private lessons. But, I can tell you that he would not feel comfortable presenting himself in a clinic setting.

So, whether someone does clinics or not, has absolutely no bearing on ability.
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Old 01-10-2006, 10:14 PM
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good points..........
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Old 01-11-2006, 04:23 AM
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Alot of good drummers never have done a clinic and there still good
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Old 01-29-2006, 03:11 PM
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im a big fan of van halen i even think eddie is the best guitarists of his generation, alex i truly think is under rated but not by much,he has a simple approch to drums but still he can make simple and complex fills to suit a song so well


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Old 01-29-2006, 05:07 PM
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im a big fan of van halen i even think eddie is the best guitarists of his generation, alex i truly think is under rated but not by much,he has a simple approch to drums but still he can make simple and complex fills to suit a song so well


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As a drummer I can tell when a guitarist is really pretty good...moreso than guitarists can tell when a drummer is good. My point being that I really think Eddie Van Halen is leagues ahead of Alex on their respective instruments.
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Old 02-10-2006, 04:12 AM
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As a drummer I can tell when a guitarist is really pretty good...moreso than guitarists can tell when a drummer is good. My point being that I really think Eddie Van Halen is leagues ahead of Alex on their respective instruments.
That's funny, I always thought Alex was the real star of the band and Eddie was the overrated guitarist that got all the attention. But what do we know, we're just drummers.

"Hot for Teacher" is simply an amazing song with amazing drumming.
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Old 02-10-2006, 03:06 PM
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Got it bad, got it bad, got it baad! I'm hot fot teacher!!


Great drum-lines.
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Old 02-13-2006, 06:26 AM
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Does anyone know what Alex is doing today?

Does he teach? I bet he can make $200 an hour teaching lol
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Old 02-20-2006, 09:07 AM
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Alex V. is one of the most underated rock drummers ever. I have always enjoyed listening to VH. I feel Alex was very innovative and fit their music perfectly. I definately prefer VH with David Lee Roth instead of Sammy. They became a different band with Hagar, but not a better one. I have been listening to VH since 1978, and one of my favorite Alex tracks is " Loss of Control" on "Women and Children First." Great double bass work here!
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Old 03-05-2006, 05:31 PM
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Hey im a big Alex fan and i just wanted to say that i think he's really underrated and that i think he's one of the best rock drummers of all time. I espically like his drum solo on the right here right now cd
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Old 03-05-2006, 06:50 PM
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I saw VH on their "Women and Children First" tour-His kit blew me away-FOUR zebra striped bass drums! Alex and Eddie did an awesome "duo solo" together...that was the highlight of the show for me...
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Old 03-05-2006, 07:31 PM
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At least he posted Greg Bissonette!
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Hey Stu:

Have you ever listened to David Lee Roth's project with Steve Vai, Greg Bissonette, and Billy Sheehan? The album is called Eat 'Em and Smile, and Bissonette does a great job on the song "Goin' Crazy".

As for Alex Van Halen:

I love his drum parts, since some can be pretty simple, like Panama, and others can be pretty complicated, like Hot for Teacher. All in all, I think he knows what he's doing, and he does it well. Alex established himself in Van Halen, and I think his drum sound, though pitched too high for my taste, fits in perfectly with Eddie Van Halen's "Brown Sound". I can't understand why Stu hates his sound; although I would't use the sound myself (which could be similar with Stu, and thus the reason he hates the sound), I think it just compliments the whole auro of Van Halen in the good ol' days (before Hagar, who I absolutely detest).

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Old 03-05-2006, 07:52 PM
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Considering my plates on my truck are DVRDWN, I should post something here. Alex is a phenominal talent. Listen to some of the tasteful grooves he lays down on lesser known VH songs Like Big Bad Bill, Light Up The Sky, Sinners Swing and Girl Gone Bad. The man is extremely versatile but he knows his brother and Diamond Dave, and later Sammy were the stars. So he just sits back and provides the solid base for Eddies guitar gymnastics.

BTW: Hot For Teacher isnt a digital kick with delay. Its very easy when You sit down and figure it out. There are 3 main parts.All played separately quite simple but when you put them together it sounds terrific. 1st you play a shuffle pattern with yur feet using your lefft foot to play the hihat and snare parts. Once you get that established put in the tom parts with your left hand and the ride with your right. It takes alot of practice but it can be done.
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Old 03-05-2006, 08:44 PM
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I enjoy listenin to this guy play. he's one of my influences and i love how he plays with roto-toms in the jumo video
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Old 03-05-2006, 10:55 PM
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First time I saw Van Halen play was 1969. They were called Genesis. Actually saw David Lee Roth sing in a band called Red Ball Jet before he joined up with Alex and Edward. I can tell you Budgie (and it's drummers) was a big influence on Van Halen. Ray Phillips and Pete Boot were the 2 Budgie drummers and during those early years Van Halen was playing Budgie covers. When "In For The Kill" came out with Boot, he was playing a kit with a floor tom mounted as a rack tom. Alex followed. Van Halen played several songs off that album. Since they were THE local Pasadena band, I saw them a lot. Another big influence on them was a band called Captain Beyond. Van Halen did several of their songs, and C.B. was obscure enough a lot of people thought the songs were Van Halen originals. I think Bobby Caldwell was the drummer for C.B., with Lee Dorman on bass and Rhino on guitar. I think Alex is a great rock drummer. Picks up a lot of influences and makes them his own. A great showman and entertainer.
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Old 03-08-2006, 05:45 AM
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alex van halen, one of the greatest of all time with out
any doubt. i have been playing drums for 28 years and i have
seen or herd them all and alex van halen should be in the top 5 greats.
the man put's so many differnt styles into his playing and soloing unlike
many drummers of past or present alex vh is a true drumming legend.
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Old 03-08-2006, 05:59 AM
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BTW: Hot For Teacher isnt a digital kick with delay. Its very easy when You sit down and figure it out. There are 3 main parts.All played separately quite simple but when you put them together it sounds terrific. 1st you play a shuffle pattern with yur feet using your lefft foot to play the hihat and snare parts. Once you get that established put in the tom parts with your left hand and the ride with your right. It takes alot of practice but it can be done.

It's not a digital kick with delay, however it is a simmons pad that was overdubbed into the track...I read the interview with Alex in Moddern Drummer...Alot of people don't realize this...

I can only think of maybe 1 or 2 people who could actually play the intro...Niether of them were Alex. "Very easy", is not a term that should be used to describe playing that part..
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Old 03-08-2006, 09:54 PM
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Other than ripping off Billy Cobham's double bass beat on "Hot For Teacher" (BTW, if a drummer is so great why do we only talk about something he did 22 years ago) he also does that same crash/ride beat at the beginning of most songs before playing his loose hi hat under the same beat. Sometimes it's like listening to hip hop and those same repetitive beats they offer at times.

He's solid and has had a great career and has performed under the stress of success but I defintely think he was born into the right family.
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Old 03-08-2006, 10:24 PM
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It's not a digital kick with delay, however it is a simmons pad that was overdubbed into the track...I read the interview with Alex in Moddern Drummer...Alot of people don't realize this...
First time I've heard the specifics of that rumor. How sad.

He's an average rock drummer. Unfortunately, the constant use of the open hi-hat in every single song, for almost the entire length of the song, just irritates my ears. I call him Alex "Wwwwwssssshhhhh" VanHalen. Eddie is definitely the most talented, while Michael Anthony.....well.....for those of you who've seen his solo on 'Without A Net' know what I'm talking about (that CAN'T be real Jack Daniels!).
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Old 04-05-2006, 06:11 AM
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Alex V. is one of the most underated rock drummers ever. I have always enjoyed listening to VH. I feel Alex was very innovative and fit their music perfectly. I definately prefer VH with David Lee Roth instead of Sammy. They became a different band with Hagar, but not a better one. I have been listening to VH since 1978, and one of my favorite Alex tracks is " Loss of Control" on "Women and Children First." Great double bass work here!
I agree. "Im the One" from VH1 is also a great one w/double bass. Obviously not as popular w/out that H.F.T. drum intro.
Alex is without a doubt one of my biggest influences ( # 3 ) in my playing. VH2 had "Light up the Sky" w/that cool drum break. Plus "Outta love Again". Very cool beat, rock/funky and fun to play. W. & C. First w/ "Loss of Control" is another good display of great Alex.
Fair Warning had "Sinners Swing". Another good one. That album had very different drums in each song. Diver down was a good drum album. 1984, "Girl gone Bad" of course "H.F.T. 5150 w "Dreams". I still cant get that fill at the intro of the guitar solo. Close though. OU812 "Finish what ya Started" Again very fun to play. Remember "Just cause its not fast does not mean its not good".
Anyway just my thoughts. Great drumming. Alot of cool beats and fills w/out over doing it
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Old 04-05-2006, 09:42 AM
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Is it mandatory that you have to do clinics in order to be considered good or great? A call out to all drummers - make sure you do some clinics or you'll never amount to anything.


Give me a f***king break.
for sure it's not mandatory but it will be cool seeing the guy perform in a clinic
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Old 04-05-2006, 02:21 PM
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It's not a digital kick with delay, however it is a simmons pad that was overdubbed into the track...I read the interview with Alex in Moddern Drummer...Alot of people don't realize this...

I can only think of maybe 1 or 2 people who could actually play the intro...Niether of them were Alex. "Very easy", is not a term that should be used to describe playing that part..
That would explain why he never did that beginning to "Hot For Teacher" everytime I've seen them live.
The best thing about Alex was he used one drum (Ludwig) through his entire carreer. I can't stand it when I see an add with a famous drummer that says something like "I'd never play anything else" then next year thier playing something else. I know they get endorsed but these are people that could afford to play anything, why wouldn't they play with the brand that they really like?
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I can only think of maybe 1 or 2 people who could actually play the intro...Niether of them were Alex. "Very easy", is not a term that should be used to describe playing that part..
Do you mean the 8th/16th notes that are played on the simmons drum? That isn't terribly difficult. It takes a few cracks at the pattern, but once you got the pattern down, you just have to work the practice pad for awhile. It is challengingly fast, but not too hard. I'm far from the fastest drummer and I use that two bar pattern as a warmup drill.
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Old 04-05-2006, 06:29 PM
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I think he means playing the Simmons hand part with your feet and the other tom parts over the top of that with your hands (like it sounds on disk.)
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Anyone else hear this analogy:
Edison:Ben Franklin = AVH:Bonham

In fact from more than 1 source. Although, I can't say I totally agree.
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:26 AM
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I have played "Hot for Teacher" in clubs dozens of times. Do I know it beat for beat? NO.
I think its 90% like it sounds to me. Definatly good enough and close enough to what Alex played to get people jumping.
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Old 04-06-2006, 06:42 AM
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Do you mean the 8th/16th notes that are played on the simmons drum? That isn't terribly difficult. It takes a few cracks at the pattern, but once you got the pattern down, you just have to work the practice pad for awhile. It is challengingly fast, but not too hard. I'm far from the fastest drummer and I use that two bar pattern as a warmup drill.
I'm talking about the opening bass drum riff to "hot for teacher"...I"m not even sure of the notation because it sounds like too many beats bunched together...The actual shuffle groove isn't really hard at all, but the intro almost sounds like "Bannana Peels" http://www.virgildonati.com/sounds/s...tch-trk-06.mp3, only more notes bunched in and very mechanical..."Hot for teacher" sounded like it was overdubbed to me, and sure enough it was...
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Old 04-06-2006, 08:54 AM
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This is an old argument, that has been proven elsewhere. The part IS a simmons pad and it was overdubbed. In concert, he would start the part on a pre-programmed sequencer, then he would come in with the (relatively easy) bass drum shuffle/ride/tom part.

I can't find it at the moment but Danny Britt breaks it down for you (all the parts, intro, first part, adding the ride, then the tom)..

http://http://www.dannybritt.com/
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This is an old argument, that has been proven elsewhere. The part IS a simmons pad and it was overdubbed. In concert, he would start the part on a pre-programmed sequencer, then he would come in with the (relatively easy) bass drum shuffle/ride/tom part.
WOW...propz for the info.....
I had wondered for years how he pulled that intro off...
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Eddie is definitely the most talented, while Michael Anthony.....well.....for those of you who've seen his solo on 'Without A Net' know what I'm talking about (that CAN'T be real Jack Daniels!).
that solo always scares me.lol he freaks me out
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Pretty darn good drummer. Not my personal fav, but VERY good.
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Old 04-12-2006, 09:39 PM
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I saw VH on their "Women and Children First" tour-His kit blew me away-FOUR zebra striped bass drums! Alex and Eddie did an awesome "duo solo" together...that was the highlight of the show for me...
hey bro.....you must have seen the "fair warning" tour in 1981....that's when he started using the 4 kick drum set-up....the " women and children first" set was a huge white ludwig kit, with 2 kicks....but they had a black corrugated tube running from the front kick to the back kick......

i remember that tour.......it was the first time i had seen van halen, and i was absolutely blown away......they played with so much fire, i'm surprised the arena i seen them in didn't explode....and what made it better was i was in the front row on the floor....

just killer..................
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I know I'm a dork (though most of us are), but does anyone know what ride cymbal Alex used on 1984?
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