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Old 03-12-2006, 10:45 PM
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Default Re: Micing up a drum kit for live performace.

Just to expand on some of the mics and ideas:

Bass Drum: Crucial for rock. Not only does the crowd need it, but your fellow musicians will thank you when they hear this comming back through the monitor. I recomend the mic in the bottom corner of the fron head, about the 5 o'clock position. If there's a hole in the bass drum, put the mic in or right in front of the hole. If there is no hole, close to the head of the drum but make sure the head will not touch the mic when you hit it. Experiment with diferent positions to find the best sound.

Snare: A few ways to do this one. Going between the hi-hat and snare is a great choice, seeing as it will easily pick up the snare and your hats. However, if you want a deeper sound to your snare, or you notice the depth you normally have isnt there, but the mic UNDERNEATH the snare drum as opposed to on top. This will pick up more depth from the ressonant head. You can put it underneath between the hi hats and snare too.

Toms: For toms, again I usually put the mic underneath the tome for two reasons. Number one, the mic clamp doesnt get in the way. A stray hit during a role can be devestating to the mic and the audiences ears. Second, putting the mic on the bottom gets more out of the resonant heads, giving you more sound from the drum through the PA. If you dont want as much ring or overtones, then by all means put the mics on top. Both setups sound great, they just sound different. As usual, experience for best results.

Overheads: These can be crucial if used correctly. If you have loud cymbals (the zxt's are pretty loud) either ditch the overhead for rock completely or have it very very low in the mix. Too much from the cymbals will mask the rest of your drums. Thats a bad thing. Instead of using overheads, I do the following (most of the time),

On the left side of my kit sit my ride, next to that my hi hat, and above them, a 14" china and a 16" crash. I position a mic between my ride and my hi-hat, that way the bell is picked up niceley. The crash and china bleed through enough on the tom and snare mic. Furthermore, chinas are much louder to the ear, so to speak, so they jump out more.

On the other side sit my 18" crash, 14" crash, and 22" china. I place a mic above the 18" and 14" crashes (they sit right next to eachother). The 22" china is way too loud to mic, so I get the mics as far away as possible so as not to pick up too much of the china (some bleed through is inevitable though).

Of course, if you are short mics, ditch the cymbal mics. The crashes bleed through enough as is.

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Old 03-22-2006, 01:45 AM
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i need bass drum mics,tom, snare and over heads please send links of good mics.
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Old 03-23-2006, 06:44 PM
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Hey jollymosher.

www.shure.com

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Old 03-23-2006, 10:28 PM
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I bought this package - it's an incredible deal, I think:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ess?sku=270263

These are great mics. Then, the only choice is overheads. I'm using a pair of AKG 1000s.
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Old 03-27-2006, 06:01 PM
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Default Yet another mic thread.

hey,

I'm joining a band with some experienced players who have booked recording time in april. I know nothing about good mic's and have no studio/recording experience. I want to buy a decent mic set, that would suit a 5 piec with hats, ride, 3x crash, 2x china + splash.

If someone could point out to me whats necessary/whats not necessary etc or make any suggestions, it would be a great help.
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Old 03-27-2006, 08:37 PM
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hey,

I'm joining a band with some experienced players who have booked recording time in april. I know nothing about good mic's and have no studio/recording experience. I want to buy a decent mic set, that would suit a 5 piec with hats, ride, 3x crash, 2x china + splash.

If someone could point out to me whats necessary/whats not necessary etc or make any suggestions, it would be a great help.

Hey Topcat.

Most of the bigger mic companies (Shure (www.shure.com), Sennheiser (www.sennheiser.com), etc.) make drumset packages. For example, Shure has a couple of packages with different mics/numbers of mics. The main difference in their kits is that one uses plastic housing for the mics (PG-series) and the other (SM and Beta I think - more expensive) uses metal. The metal-housed mics would be best for gigging, IMHO, as they would necessarily suffer more abuse then studio mics if only for the fact that they would need to be moved around a lot.

Instead of a package (which I find doesn't save you much cash) that kind of locks you into one brand, you can simply build up your own selection. In fact, depending on the venues you'll be working, you may be able to start small (overheads and a kick, and maybe a snare mic) and pick up extras as needed.

Another thing to remember is that all of the mics need to plug in somewhere. More mics mean more cables, larger mixers, more cash, etc. Personally, I'd rather buy a few great mics than a ton of crappy ones.

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Old 03-28-2006, 06:07 AM
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Even a modest studio should have its own mics...get with the engineer and see what they have. You probably know that different drums call for different types of microphones, the two main types being dynamic and condenser. So I guess just make sure that the engineer or whoever is doing the recording sounds like they know what they are doing, then you don't have to worry about it. It's not your job, but it's nice to know some stuff which I see you are trying to do.

The one thing that affects the sound more than anything (besides the instruments themselves, of course) is the room you are in. If you can help it, don't record in a room if your drums don't sound good by themselves in that room. Of course you may not be able to do anything about it.

Also I noticed you plan on using three crashes and two chinas. It would probably help the recording to use as little as possible, if you don't have to use all of them. Use your smaller, thinner crashes, they tend to record better.

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Old 03-28-2006, 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Yet another mic thread.

Thanks alot for your suggestions and tips about cymbals + where to record, really appreciated.

I was looking through some sites for packages + individual mics. a couple of thigs that were of interest -

http://www.dv247.com/invt/20966/

http://www.dv247.com/invt/10833/

However, i probably wont go for a full set, Just a kick, snare + 2 overheads to begin with. Could anyone suggest some decent mics for those purposes?
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Old 03-30-2006, 08:23 PM
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That AKG D112 bass mic is preferred by a lot of pro drummers and engineers. So you can't go wrong there. Go with a Shure SM57 for the snare, it's another tried and true mic. Find a pair of large diaghram condensers on sale for overheads. That is, if you want the overheads to pick up the toms, too. If you plan on getting more mics in the future then you could go with small diaphram condensers, these will be better suited for only cymbals. You could also put one on the hi-hat.

You can get a great sound out of four mic's. I've made recordings with only three mics, a bass mic and two condenser overheads. I used the most affordable mics and mixer I could find (Samson Q-kick, Nady CM-88's, Behringer 1002) but you can hear everything ok. The snare is tuned high so it is still prominent even though it's not close-mic'ed: :http://www.youtube.com/w/Ryan%27s-Mo...?v=dkpexifMY9M

I ran the mix into a camcorder that didn't have the proper inputs, so it would have sounded fuller, louder, and all around better if I had ran it into an audio recorder of any kind.

So if you get three mics: that D112, and two nice overheads, you will be in business.
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Old 03-30-2006, 11:16 PM
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TopCat,

I'm just about to buy some mics too and have been trying to do as much research as possible. I'm not recording with any band but I've been setting things up in my basement to do some recordings. Some of the threads here have talked about the Nady mic packs, CAD mic packs, and Samson, Shure, etc. so I'm sure you'll get better advice from what limited knowledge I have of them too. I'm still learning....

For under $200 you can get several mics from Nady or Cad. I'm looking at the Nady after most reviews from Musiciansfriend had slightly better quality. there were a few more negative comments on the Cad pack. I've heard a few samples from other drummers here, I think Scott was one who used the Nady package and his clips sounded great. I agree from below that the AKG112 for kick and Shure SM57 for the snare are really the way to go. I picked up an AKG off of Ebay and will likely get a Shure for the snare soon. I'm thinking of using the kick mic in the package for the floor tom. Scott said it worked pretty good. I know others here don't care for the low quality of some of these mics but for what I'm doing, I can't break the bank and I'm not picky...at least until I can spend more $. I've trended towards the Nady because of the extra mics (7). But there are packs of 3 or 4 if that's all you'd like.

Here's the link...I was just looking at it before checking out this thread. But you can search for Cad and others too.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ess?sku=277246

Like another said below, we still need drum clips, cables, etc. along with a mixer. I've had one on layaway at the local store for a while but you can search Ebay for some boards too. I actually found a bigger board for less at the local store than what was on Ebay so just check everything out before buying.

Well, I'm rambling a bit and I need to get back to work....hope this helps in some way!

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Old 03-31-2006, 12:16 AM
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I think this is the best deal going:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...ess?sku=270263

These are pro-quality mikes. The price is right and you get the drum clips, basically, for free.
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:07 AM
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Wow, thanks for all your helpful suggestions. I think im going to go for RMS' and tmc's sugegstions with the three/four mic layout. I go into the studio on friday. I 'officially' became a member today. Recording three tracks. Had one practice. Code red.
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Old 03-31-2006, 11:46 AM
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Yeah, good choice. If I were doing studio work, I would lean towards the better quality of Shure, especially for kick and snare. I bit the bullet and bought the cheaper CAD mic package last night. I changed my mind seeing that they had the clips included and I could save a few bucks that way....I'm such a cheapskate! hehe.

Anyways, be sure to post some clips of the studio session if you can. I'd love to hear how those drums sound! Good luck and have fun!!
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Carvin makes a really nice kick drum mic and it's under $100. Once you own a good mic for the kick you should be able to "beg, borrow or steal" everything else.
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I want to get a bass drum mic so i can be heard over my band. I know i have to get a mixer or pa to run the mic through and a speaker for it to play through. I have no ideo what to buy and i only have a budget of around $275. Can someone reccommend a mixer and a speaker or speakers to run it all through. Nothing too complicated as i am new to the technical side of drumming. Also a mixer with enough inputs to set up a full kit of mics would be handy as i will probably be wanting to expand within this year. Thanks in advance for any help given.
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Old 04-24-2006, 02:53 AM
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I want to get a bass drum mic so i can be heard over my band. I know i have to get a mixer or pa to run the mic through and a speaker for it to play through. I have no ideo what to buy and i only have a budget of around $275. Can someone reccommend a mixer and a speaker or speakers to run it all through. Nothing too complicated as i am new to the technical side of drumming. Also a mixer with enough inputs to set up a full kit of mics would be handy as i will probably be wanting to expand within this year. Thanks in advance for any help given.
Dude(tte)!

I doubt that you'd get a mixer for that much, let alone a mic and some speakers, too. A decent kick mic will take all of that budget, and good mixers with a large number of inputs (you can easily use a dozen mics on a good-sized kit) seem to be very pricey. I just got a quote this afternoon for a british mixer with 16-inputs and it was $1,750 Canadian.

You could probably go with some less-expensive Chinese mics and mixer, but I'm not sure the quality (sound-wise and ruggedness) will be what you need... or if it will even come within that budget. Good luck, though.

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$275. Spend it on good heads and tell your guitarist to turn the "F" down.
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Hi everyone! I need some drum mics for my Pacific LX kit. I was looking at some Shure mics and they seem kind of expencive. I really need 5 mics + 2 cymbal mics. Any suggestions? I got 350$ to spend. All suggestions would be apreciated:D But be serious I'm not loaded... :P
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Anyone? :( No opinions on this subject? :(
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Default Re: Lookin for good quality drum mics! Help Please!

mmm

350$ is not enough to get real quality drum mic.
But let me advise you what i would buy for this price.
First The snare : of course you need a good one. The best price/quality is the Shure sm57 ( which costs 100$ I believe ). You won't find better on this price range. this mic is dynamic.
For the cymbals, you need a electrostatic pair. Some cheap and not too bad are these ones
http://www.musicstorekoeln.de/fr/Per...usicstore.html
So here we're at 150$ ( approx )
For the bass drum buying you must buy a not too cheap one;
I advise this one :
http://fr.audiofanzine.com/produits/...hure_pg52.html
The total ups too 280 $

For the toms, Fame makes good cheap cardioid mic. If you have Music store catalog, search in, you ll find some at 30 $
http://www.musicstorekoeln.de/fr/Per...010089-000.jpg
( like those 4 )


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The previous poster probably as good advice as any - it will be very hard to get good microphones for $350. I just spent $200 just for my bass drum mic, and that was a pretty good buy...
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You can record a drumkit in good quality with only a bass drum mic and two condenser mics. For example:

For the two condenser mics a good matched pair like a pair of MXL 603s: (these get the cymbals and the majority of the rest of the kit)
http://www.instrumentpro.co.uk/P-MXL...3edaafa2771766

And a great kick mic is the shure beta 52A:
http://www.dv247.com/invt/3020?sourc...ign=uk&ad=3020

And depending on what quality you want, you can buy an SM57 like the guy above said for the snare, individual tom mics are not really necessary for a good overall drum sound. Check out this thread at homerecording.com for mic placement technique, using this will mean you can use these mics to get a really good sound without spending loads.
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Thanx everyone for all of the tips you have given me, appreciate it!
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I dont know if this is the right place, but here is my question.
I just got into a band, and we havent played shows yet. This question is for people who play live in small club venues. Do the sound people help mic the kit? Because I know they provide the pa and mics, but I never used drum mics and I would want the best sound possible. I was just wondering how that kinda stuff is live. thanx
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Old 05-15-2006, 02:31 AM
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Im pretty sure there are already threads on this type of thing. Do a search under other gear and you should find stuff that will help you out.

Btw, i know nothing about mics. id help if i cud. Im also trying to learn about this stuff.
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Really depends on the bar/club. I've come across quite a few where the sound man really didn't have a clue, as far as I was concerned, especially in smaller places. A lot of them do not want to deal with any drum that has more resonance than a cardboard box. In such a place, I would rather have them mic only the bass and snare.

The better clubs often have really good equipment and personel. It pays to learn all you can about mics, placement, gating and EQing, so if you play in a place with house sound, talk with the techs and pick their brains.

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Lots of small clubs I've played, the P.A. is so strapped for power all you wanna do is pump the vocals thru it. Let the drums and guitars and drums set their own volume levels. Better situations might give you kick and snare mics, maybe 2 overheads. All depends on the gig. Are you playing 3 or 4 sets (all night) or just 1 (1hour slot). If you're just playin' an hour, you need to get on the stage, fire it up, and get off. Your first song is the sound check. Always best to go to the club you're gonna be playin' a week before the gig, just to see what the situation is. Do they have a soundman, or does the bartender take care of that too? Do they have mics there? Does the mixer have all channels working? Oh man, after a while, you'll think you've seen everything, and then something new happens. It's all cool. Have fun.
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Hi all,

Have seen these mics:

http://www.behringer.com/C-2/index.cfm?lang=ENG

And would like to get your input on them. They are very cheap here in the UK at only 40. I would imagine they will not be the highest quality but would they do as a couple of cheap overheads for self recording?


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*BUMP!*

Need some opinions guys as I will going to get them tomorrow after work if they are worth it :)
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In short: not sure. Behringer have some interesting marketing and production techniques. It basically consists of them taking everybody else's ideas and producing the same product for cheaper. This means they don't really have to have an R&D department.

In principle, I can't see anything actually wrong with those microphones per se. Usually Behringer produces a very good product for the money (for the reason stipulated above) so they should be ok. I've never had any personal experience with these microphones, however. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
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Yeah I remember our conversation before I bought that 1832FX-PRO mixer and that is quality for the money I paid. Just worried as I tend to find cheaper mic's a bit "muddy" and that does not help for shimmering cymbals. I just thought I would maybe get these for the price they are...a bargain!
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I have a pair of those mics and a very similar mixer. They were such a vast improvement over what we were doing. I use just those 2 mics and a CAD 412 bass drum mike to do my whole set. I can post a sample of the setup if you want.
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That would be awesome! Please do!
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Ok. http://drumgods.home.comcast.net/goo...GreenRiver.mp3 This is Green River as recorded by my Dad's old time band. He's a little reverb crazy but you can get the idea with the mics. I don't have a drums only copy on me. Hope it helps though.

After listening to this I'm thinking I should put another mic on the snare, but it gets the overall sound pretty good.
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wow...they sound pretty good considering how cheap they are! I think a mic on the snare would have helped....just so its a bit more definate in the mix.

Cool tune too!

I will have these C2's, bass drum and snare miced so I'll post a drums only sample next week.


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The bass drum mic was a CAD KBM412. I got it for $50 american from musicians friend. The mixer is a Behringer UB-1202FX. This gets routed into a Lexicon Omega Desktop Recording Studio into CuBase basic or whatever the program was it came with. I've got a SM-57 for the snare, just seemed like I didn't need it with these anymore, but mabey I was wrong.

Upon further review, I'm glad I gave that song more cowbell.
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lol...."we GOTTA have more cowbell.."

I was just looking up that bass drum mic and the cheapest I could find it here was £60, about $110 I think. Where did you place the mics? Just over the kit in the normal fashion or pointing at the kit from the back?

I'll be running it through that mixer into a Fostex digital multitrack and then onto Cubase afterwards.
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Old 05-25-2006, 10:58 PM
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Default Re: C2 Condenser mics

The bass drum mic was about 8 or 10 inches from the batter head inside of the bass drum. The left condencer was a little left of the snare and about 2 stick lengths away from the head. The right condencer was about 2 stick lengths away from the snare head but about a foot and a half to the right. Both mics were aimed in the direction of the snare and slightly twords the bass drum batter head.

I probably used a little bit of studio reberb or compression off of the behringer mixer, I can't remember right now. The room really isn't that great to record in. Terrible acoustics. Thanks for the kind words.
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Cool stuff....i'll try that out on Tuesday.

Thanks for the pointers!
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Hey all i was just wondering on what i should get 4 mics a mix board and how to set them up cuz i really dont get the concept like yeah i get that u hook the mics up 2 a mixing board but how do u get that into a comp and stuff like that
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