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Old 03-05-2011, 04:14 AM
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Hi, I have a tama superstar hyperdrive (22x18, 14x5.5, 10x6.5, 12x7, 14x12, 16x14) i have currently on my toms clear ec2 sst over g1, i have a evans reverse power center over stock reso on my snare, and an emad 2 over stock reso on my bass. Im looking to try new drumheads change things up a bit plus they have been on my drums about 8 months or more so im gonna change em soon. For my toms im looking for that perfect studio sound, nice and warm, kinda wet,have some tone, punchy, some attack but not a clicky plastic attack, and i want some resonance but not ringy or dead. I want my floor toms to sound warm, kinda wet, punchy, but have a little control i want them retain some of that tom quality so that they are not just all growl and rumble, so they still have some punch and tone. I want my snare to have a nice crack and tight sound tuned high, nice funky, gospel sound, but be full and wet tuned low, nice pop and rock sound ( if its even possible to have a snare head that versatile, if not then i prefer that nice crack and tighness i mainly tuned it fairly high). For my bass drum i want to sound punchy and dark not have that plastic attack. I want a nice deep boom dark thud ( you know that studio sound) quick sound not a lot of resonance. I dont like that cheap plastic attack on any of my drums. Im open to any suggestion: evans, remo, aquarians. I know my im asking for a lot but any help is appreciated. Thank you.
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:08 AM
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My suggestions:
-Remo Emperors for tom batters
-Remo Ambassadors for tom reso's
-Aquarian Super Kick 2 or Evans EMAD 2
-Remo Emperor X for snare batter
-Remo Ambassador for snare reso

Those are just some combos I've heard that sound good. You were very specific, but its hard to get an idea of the sound unless you compare it to someones drum sound. Like some people want a Joey Jordinson snare sound for example, so they compare the sound they want to his. In short, a comparison would help for suggestions
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Old 03-05-2011, 09:53 AM
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Has anyone tried the vintage ambassadors?
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Old 03-05-2011, 01:50 PM
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http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_u...&v=h5ejs0JIIUQ

Im looking for a mixture between this and chad smith's drum. I really like a lot the sound comming from chris coleman's drums, very pure sound from the toms and a very nice
Crack from the snare.Im looking for this kind of sound. Hope these helps.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:05 PM
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Has anyone tried the vintage ambassadors?
I have and I really liked them. They have a very "big" sound and are very warm. I went with Vintage Emperors this last time through and really prefer the Vintage A's. The Vintage Emperors are extremely dry and low pitched, whereas the Vintage A's are exactly what I thought of when I thought of a head between an original Ambassador and Emperor, IMO.
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Old 03-05-2011, 02:50 PM
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Based on your descriptions, here are my recommendations with a quick line on why I picked them

Toms
G Plus Coated on top - They are a 12mil single ply as opposed to the standard 10mil to give a little more low end and the coating will take away the "plastic" fell you are referring to.

G1 Clear's on the bottom - They fill out the sound and give you a wide tuning range

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EMAD Onyx on the batter side - Dark and heavy (literally)
EMAD Reso on the front with ans EQPAD resting on the fron head, NOT the batter. Belive me it will sound great

Snare
Evans Power Center Reverse Dot - Punchy, thick and responsive.
Hazy 300 on the bottom - It's a very versatile head. Again a wide tuning range.

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Old 03-05-2011, 03:00 PM
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thank you, i also have another question related to the plastic attack thing: i've heard a lot here in the forums that evans film causes their clear heads to have these flinsy plastic attack compared to remo's and aquarian's film, is there any truth to these? and thank you a lot for the drumhead suggestions i had never even considered the g plus till now and maybe its time i give them a try.did you see the video i posted? The chris coleman drum solo? are my toms gonna sound like that with the g plus coated?
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Old 03-05-2011, 07:55 PM
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Watching the video you posted, i dont think my suggestions are right for the sound youre looking for. I would go with the evans suggestions the other guy gave. Also, for tom batter heads, you could look into aquarian proffessional 2's. Never heard them in person, but from what i have heard, they might be close. Idk
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Im looking for a mixture between this and chad smith's drum. I really like a lot the sound comming from chris coleman's drums, very pure sound from the toms and a very nice
Crack from the snare.Im looking for this kind of sound. Hope these helps.
Coleman uses clear G2's and Clear G2's with EC2 Reso heads. I found that info on the Evans site.
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[EDIT: Sorry this is to drums137 not razorx,]

Even though Coleman is using clear G2's, you are saying that you don't want a 'plasticky' sound. Clear heads are usually the culprits when accusations of this kind are used of tom batter heads. I will also once again point out (because drum message boards have plenty on this subject) that judgments on head sounds behind the kit are always different than judgments made from in front of the kit, especially when you add in other instruments. If you are just playing in a practice or rehearsal room, then you are trying get the drums to sound good to you behind the kit. If you are out playing live or in the studio - definitely different.

Most of the Urban Gospel guys use clear heads and then.....any sound you hear with the big name players goes through processing: compressors, EQ, gain adjustments, reverb, etc. So you would hear a really different sound on top of their drums as well. That 'plasticky' sound behind their kits might equal better attack over a PA.

I'd recommend you try coated Studio-X heads. Aquarian's single ply head with an underside, thin, control ring. They are not 'plasticky' sounding at all and have resonance as well as control. You may also want to try coated G2's, my favorite Evans head.

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Old 03-06-2011, 07:18 PM
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Thank you for the advice and it's not that i dont like attack its that i've read on several post here in drummerworld that evans mylar film produces a much harsher kinda cheaper sounding plastic attack and resonance which makes drums sound thinner compared to remo's and aquarian's mylar film and i just want to know if these "accusations" are true. I want to know if my dums will sound warmer with remo or aquarian compared to evans. If they will sound warmer or better then i can just buy the remo or aquarian counterpart of the g2 which would be the emperors or response 2. Also my drums have birch shells so right from the starting line they will sound brighter thats why i may consider giving coated heads a try.
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Old 03-06-2011, 11:29 PM
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Thank you for the advice and it's not that i dont like attack its that i've read on several post here in drummerworld that evans mylar film produces a much harsher kinda cheaper sounding plastic attack and resonance which makes drums sound thinner compared to remo's and aquarian's mylar film and i just want to know if these "accusations" are true. I want to know if my dums will sound warmer with remo or aquarian compared to evans. If they will sound warmer or better then i can just buy the remo or aquarian counterpart of the g2 which would be the emperors or response 2. Also my drums have birch shells so right from the starting line they will sound brighter thats why i may consider giving coated heads a try.
razorx - sorry I directed my last post to you. My brain was clouded over.

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Your welcome...I do hope it helped. :)

I think you'll hear from fans in all of the brand name camps as far as which 'brand' is warmer or at the least sounds the best. I think all of the big three have differing strengths. As far as the Aquarians, if you are comparing Emperors, consider Super-2's as well but the Responses are nice.

I don't really feel that the Evans coated G2's make drums sound thinner but I haven't done a direct, side by side comparison with other brands. My Yamaha MCAN's have coated G2's on them now but have sounded good with Aquarian 1-ply Satin Texture coated and Studio-X's as well. All a bit different but still musical.

I am toying with idea of putting different thickness heads on different toms to see if that has an effect. Probably not too much I think.

I do know that I've gotten the most life out of Aquarian heads as their coating lasts the longest. These heads have a bit less highs but are also a bit warmer than say a Remo equivalent. They also usually take a few days to get sounding right but sound great then.


You mentioned you have birch drums and rightly observe that they have a brighter sound with more attack. Birch drums also have a quicker decay so getting a head with too little resonance might lose some needed tone. I'm still thinking coated Studio-X's or even the Aquarian Satin Texture Coated adding small pieces of Moon Gel or gaffer's tape (like Stanton Moore does on his floor tom) to add dampening.


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Old 03-07-2011, 12:06 AM
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Thank you a lot for the advice its really helpful. Also what I meant about the drum sounding thinner and plastic was about the Clear g2 compared to an emperor or response 2, if there is any truth to this. Also what kind of drumhead will make drums sound warmer and darker? 2 ply or 1 ply? And thank you again you've been very helpful
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:24 AM
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Thank you a lot for the advice its really helpful. Also what I meant about the drum sounding thinner and plastic was about the Clear g2 compared to an emperor or response 2, if there is any truth to this. Also what kind of drum head will make drums sound warmer and darker? 2 ply or 1 ply? And thank you again you've been very helpful
The general consensus is 2 ply sounds warmer. Some have said by the negating of some highs but.....YMMV.

However there are also other solutions. Like the Aquarian Jack DeJohnette head.

http://www.aquariandrumheads.com/pro...ack-dejohnette

I put this head on a church's Pearl steel shell 6.5 x 14 and it worked wonders. Jack uses them over the entire set. A bit pricier than the more popular heads but worth it for the right drum.
Also their Modern Vintage Mediums are warm but still single ply. These may be more jazz/folk than you're looking for but still very nice heads. One's on my Pork Pie 6 x 13 right now.

Then as I've mentioned there are the single ply's with some built in dampening: Studio-X's, Powerstrokes and Evans Genera (I think Genera?). The Remo CS Dot heads stick a big dot in the center of a single ply Ambassador. NICE snare head and used by Tony Williams on his toms and bass drum. I've only dug them on snares.

BTW: Here is a helpful list guide from Aquarian's site. Scroll down to see the manufacturer comparisons.

http://www.aquariandrumheads.com/pro...ide-comparison

It's sounding like you should go coated whichever way you go.

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Once again thank you, it seems that 2 ply heads are warmer then if so then maybe i should go with 2 ply coated for the toms, and i don't know what YMMV means?
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:07 AM
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Ok, so what do you think i should finally go with? 2 ply heads or 1 ply head? Coated or clear? and thank you again for all the advice?
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:20 AM
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I would use 2 ply and coated in your situation. However before you choose i may make a suggestion. Why not use the Evans site [or Remo's or Aquarian's] and look at the individual head characteristics to find what seems to describe your sound. Evans site for instance usually has a few bars to describe the general qualities associated with the head [although they arent always there] between that and by researching what some of my idols play I can usually find what I am after.

This link is to the evans site:
http://store.daddario.com/category/1...&currency_id=1
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Old 03-07-2011, 05:49 AM
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I've seem those charts but i think im leaning towards the 2 ply coated since i have ec 2 sst clear i think the 2 ply coated will stil keep that punchy sound and the coating will add some warmth plus still control the drums a bit but still more open than the ec2s (correct me if im wrong i don't want to buy the wrong heads), now i just got to decide which company, which do you think would produce a warmer sound g2, emperors, or response 2? Also which coating sounds more alive? I've heard some bad stuff about evans coating being dull and flat? These are only accusations i've read in the forums just want to see if there is any truth? And thanks again to all of you for the advice.
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Old 03-09-2011, 12:48 AM
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Anyone...??? Please help?..
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Old 03-12-2011, 04:49 AM
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Can anyone tell which do you think sounds better between the g2, emperor, and response 2 and why do you think it sounds better??
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What's better - Trident, 5, or Orbit?
Do a search. Remo coatings suck, Evans are colder, Aquarian kicks butt but are sometimes hard to find or expensive in other countries. Buy one of each if you can and try them all.
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Yeah i know there is no winner because everyone has a different opinion but i just want to know what are your opinions. And i dont think i can waste $45 by trying all three drumheads. Also buying aquarian drumheads wouldn't be a problem cause i would order it online through guitar center.
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Old 03-18-2011, 12:31 AM
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What drum head do you guys like best between the g2, emperor, and response 2 and why do you like it more compared to the others???
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What drum head do you guys like best between the g2, emperor, and response 2 and why do you like it more compared to the others???
I love a coated Emperor. I'm definitely not an Evans guy for tom heads. As mentioned before in this thread, they have an annoying "aftertone" that I definitely do not dig.

I think after reading everything so far, you'd do well to get a hold of some Smooth White Emperor heads. They have a great tuning range, embody the best characteristics of both coated and clear and are one of the most durable heads Remo makes, imo.
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:47 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to respond. I hadn't really though of those smooth white emperors before. I have read about the evans Aftertone here in drummer world but always thought it was just their drums that were ringy but now that you've said it again i think it's time i try some remo or aquarian, im thinking emperors still can't decide whether to go coated or clear, nice dark sound with coated or a nice modern sound with clear, hard choice.


Have you ever tried any aquarian heads?
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I have tried Aquarian. I'm pretty indifferent about them since they seem to reciprocate the feeling with their tone.

Their tom heads are pretty one dimensional, pretty durable but definitely one-trick pony's, sonically speaking. They tune quick, take a decent beating but just never caught my ear enough to warrant a second purchase.

Their bass drum heads are super, though. You can't miss with a Super Kick, I or II.

Honestly, the majority of opinions offered here regarding heads probably come down to the individual's ability to tune a drum properly or the way certain heads work with their own kit.

As costly as it will be, you're probably going to have to try a few different heads and models before you find the one that pleases you. That's why I play a 4-piece kit...heads aren't getting cheaper.
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Old 03-18-2011, 03:27 AM
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It seems like you really like your emperors but how would you compare the sound from a clear emperor and a clear response 2 ( i would ask you to compare them also to a g2 but clearly they seem a step below because of their aftertone). Also a coated emeperor and a coated response 2. And thank you
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It seems like you really like your emperors but how would you compare the sound from a clear emperor and a clear response 2 ( i would ask you to compare them also to a g2 but clearly they seem a step below because of their aftertone). Also a coated emeperor and a coated response 2. And thank you
I've generally never used clear Emperors except on my Vistalite kit. In broad strokes, I'd say that the sound you would get from a clear emperor would be 'cleaner' than a CR2. Most of the drummers I've recorded that dig on the Evans heads tend to tune them real low, almost to slack at times. They offer a bit more 'punch' but not a lot of clarity, imo.

I think that's why I champion the Smooth White Emperors. They are seriously one of the most versatile heads I've worked with. You can tune em' low, high, whatever. If you like em', even better. They last forever.
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Thank you alot its still going to be a hard choice but you have defenetly helped out a lot and if you have any other useful information please feel free to post it on the thread. And thank again.
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Another vote for coated Emperors or vintage Emperors here. I like the darker sound of the vintage Emps best, but the regular ones are great, too. I think they have the best balance of attack and full tone. I have tried Aquarians several times, several different models, and I just don't like them. They sound too dull to me. One dimensional is a good description. Evans G2s would be my second choice, but they don't have as full a tone to me as the Emps. Hope that helps, but ultimately you are going to have to take the leap and just try some out.
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Honestly, the majority of opinions offered here regarding heads probably come down to the individual's ability to tune a drum properly or the way certain heads work with their own kit.
This is very true and I've had nothing but great results using Evans heads on most of my kits.

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Old 03-18-2011, 06:12 AM
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Thanks, im really leaning to those coated emperor because it seems like its competition fall short ( g2 and response 2 ). If you have any more information feel free to post it, every bit helps. The only thing that holds me back is that i fear the coated drumheads might make my birch shells sound too melow and not modern enough, maybe take out to much attack on the other hand they will much darker, what do you think?? Do you think coated heads might do this? Hopeful not...
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Ohh sorry Dennis, I posted before i saw your respond, what evans drumheads do you use?
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No, I don't think coated heads will remove too much attack. You can still get plenty of bite.
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Ohh sorry Dennis, I posted before i saw your respond, what evans drumheads do you use?
No problem. On one of my kits I'm using Evans G2 clear heads over G1 clear on my toms, the bass drum's batter is an Evans EQ4. On another kit I have Evans G1 coated over G1 clears and also an EQ4 for the bass drum's batter. My third kit has Evans G2 coated over G1 clear resonant heads, again an EQ4 batter on the bass. I'm also using Evans G2 coated over G1 clear heads on my vintage kit, the 20" bass drum has an EQ4. On my other kit as of right now I have Remo coated Ambassadors over coated Ambassadors with a Remo (DW) batter head on the bass drum.

I've been using Evans heads for about five years. Before that it was always Remo. Throughout those five years, I only had one 10" G1 clear head that was defective because it was slightly unevenly mounted on its hoop causing a dead spot on the head. That was replaced by Evans.

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ThankS again to both of you for your responds, i think im going coated, now what company should i go? Dennis have you played coated emperors? If so why do you like evan's coated g2 better?
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ThankS again to both of you for your responds, i think im going coated, now what company should i go? Dennis have you played coated emperors? If so why do you like evan's coated g2 better?
Sure, both the coated Emperors and coated Ambassadors for more years than I can remember. The only reason I switched from Remo to Evans is because I found that the coatings on the Evans heads hold up a bit better than the Remos. Some say this is nonsense, but for my style of playing it holds true. On a lot of my work I do use brushes and although I can get a better bite using some of the Remo heads, I never get small pieces of coating falling off the Evans batter heads.

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Old 03-18-2011, 08:01 AM
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I don't play brushes so the coating getting chip away with the brushes won't be a problem, but when hit with a stick what are the sonic differences, is the emperor darker? Is the g2 brighter? Etc... Is one of them more lively or modern sounding? Is one duller than the other one... Cause i don't want my drums sounding dull. And thank you for the responds.
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I don't play brushes so the coating getting chip away with the brushes won't be a problem, but when hit with a stick what are the sonic differences, is the emperor darker? Is the g2 brighter? Etc... Is one of them more lively or modern sounding? Is one duller than the other one... Cause i don't want my drums sounding dull. And thank you for the responds.
I really think you are going to have to try them to decide. They are different, but the differences are subtle and the type of drums you have and the way you tune will influence the sound. Get one brand this time, then get the other the next time. You really won't go wrong with either head. And you can decide for yourself what works for you.
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