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Old 02-01-2011, 04:14 AM
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Default Tight snare sound, which head?

I'm wanting a very high ringy snare sound for brutal death metal.

Examples.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBP8imm03Mo (goregrind band, but i love the snare in this song)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ga3...eature=related (Awesome song, with pretty much the exact snare sound i'm wanting)

I have a Mapex V series 14 inch snare. I tuned both the batter and resonant, about as tight as possible. I'm getting the nice high sound i want towards the outer edges of the snare, but the middle sounds totally different, the stock head is pretty worn. Will a new batter snare head help me get that sound i'm looking for even in the center of the snare? What head would you recommend?

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Old 02-01-2011, 04:22 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

Yep....a new head should be just what the doctor ordered.

I'm thinking a coated single ply head like a Remo Ambassador or an Evans G1 (I have no idea what the Aquarian single ply head is called), will give you what you're looking for.

Cranking the batter nice and tight is a great idea for the sound you're after, but if you're hearing little tone when striking the centre of the head, it's possible you've cranked just a little too tight and have choked the drum. Just something to watch out for.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:30 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

Thanks. Should it make a difference whether i go with the weatherking coated or emperor coated Remo?
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

EDIT: I see you said ambassador which is the weatherking. I tried to edit the other post , but couldn't get it to work.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:37 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

I thought all the top quality Remo heads are Weatherkings?? Could be wrong there though.

I think what you are asking is the diff. between an Ambassador and an Emperor? If so, an Emp will work for your purposes too. The diff is that the Emps are a two ply head as opposed to the single ply of the Amb. Two plys are great for added durability....which you'll notice if you're a hard hitter....but being two ply, the sound will be slightly more focused. We're not talking a monumental difference here, but noticeable nontheless.

That said, I think either will work for what you want to do with it. You'll just need to figure out the trade off between the 2 ply being a little more durable or the 1 ply being ever so slightly more "open' sounding.
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Old 02-01-2011, 04:41 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

On the musicians friend website they call the ambassadors weatherking, but not the emperors. I'll go with the single ply ambassador coated though. Thanks for the help.
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Old 02-06-2011, 04:45 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

What resonant head would be good for me? I just noticed today mine has a hole in it. I was thinking a thin non coated resonant head, for the high sound i'm wanting?

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Old 02-06-2011, 05:03 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

Remo Abassador Snare Side will do the trick. As would an Evans Hazy 300.
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:10 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

Alright thanks. Like this one?
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...ad-?sku=442934

It says medium, and i didn't know if they made a thin?

or what about the Diplomat? It says "For a Bright Sound"
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...ad-?sku=442914
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:03 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

the difference between the two is the thickness - diplomat is 7.5mil, ambassador snare side is 10mil.

go for the ambassador snare side, diplomat would probably die from the tension you're giving it.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:13 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

My personal preferance is a tight botton and a good firm top.
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Old 02-06-2011, 06:25 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

Alright thanks guys. I'll go with the ambassador snare side then.
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Old 02-06-2011, 07:02 AM
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On the musicians friend website they call the ambassadors weatherking, but not the emperors. I'll go with the single ply ambassador coated though. Thanks for the help.
The term Weatherking is just a word they used back in the day. Back when Remo got started, calf skin was the only way to go, and consequently, calfskin suffered from all kinds of weather conditions. That's why when you see an old snare, it might have a lightbulb fixture in it to keep the heads warm and hopefully impervious from condensation. Players always had to keep tuning their drums. When Remo developed the plastic head with the coating, they found it impervious to weather - hence the term Weatherking, which is pretty much applicable to all of their heads. Great marketing, eh?

That concludes today's lesson ;)
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Old 02-06-2011, 08:24 AM
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the difference between the two is the thickness - diplomat is 7.5mil, ambassador snare side is 10mil.

go for the ambassador snare side, diplomat would probably die from the tension you're giving it.
You probably just typed it incorrectly, but the Remo Hazy Ambassador snare side head is only 3 mils in thickness. The other Ambassador batter and resonant heads are all 10 mil. Just so no one gets this wrong and buys the wrong head for their snare.

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Old 02-06-2011, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

I got the Evans Hazy 300 snare side,its 3 mil thick. Thanks for the help guys.
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:22 AM
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My personal preferance is a tight bottom and a good firm top.
Lol. Nice. Everyone's got their priorities. :)
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Old 02-07-2011, 04:36 AM
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Anything that says Evans Genera HD Dry and Hazy 300 on it.
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Old 02-07-2011, 05:02 AM
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Anything that says Evans Genera HD Dry and Hazy 300 on it.
i was about to say that
if not evans, look for heads that dry out the sound
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Old 02-10-2011, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

Alright guys, I put the Remo ambassador on top and the Evans hazy 300 on bottom. Now, after changing both heads i'm getting a buzzing sound from the bottom on the snare? Both heads are tuned tight, and the strainer is as tight as possible as well.

I think I may have damaged the strainer. Would one of these Gilbraltar's be a good replacement?

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...ner?sku=446032

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...rum?sku=446160
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Old 02-11-2011, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

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Alright guys, I put the Remo ambassador on top and the Evans hazy 300 on bottom. Now, after changing both heads i'm getting a buzzing sound from the bottom on the snare? Both heads are tuned tight, and the strainer is as tight as possible as well. I think I may have damaged the strainer. Would one of these Gilbraltar's be a good replacement?

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...ner?sku=446032

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...rum?sku=446160
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Old 02-12-2011, 04:49 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

So, do you think i've damaged the wires, therefore that's why i can't get rid of the buzzing?

Thanks.
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Old 02-12-2011, 05:50 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

I was looking at these Puresound Brass snare wires, they sound like they might be good for me.

http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...res?sku=585740

Anyone know if these are good or not?
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Old 02-13-2011, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

you've also probably not installed the wires on the snare side properly.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:38 AM
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Default Re: Tight snare sound, which head?

I tried to cut a few of my snare wires that weren't laying down properly, but it's still ringing. I think I may get the 20 strand Gilbraltar snare wires, and see if those will help.

And, I think i've got it installed right.
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