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Old 01-29-2011, 10:55 PM
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Default The Case for Single-Braced Stands

All of my stands are single-braced and have been for a long time. I have used them in rock, blues, funk, jazz, and praise and worship. I do not play real loud, but I do wack 'em pretty hard sometimes. Some drummers believe that double-braced stands must be better, but I do not believe this is always the case.

Gibraltar, Yamaha, and Tama all make good quality single-braced stands. Mine are Gibraltar (cymbal, snare), Tama (cymbal), and Mapex (hihat). I have used the Tama stand for two cymbals, and one tom and a cymbal. I also have a cymbal boom arm that I attach to my bass-drum-mounted tom holder. The less I have to move around the better.

So what do you think? Anyone else a believer in single-braced stands?
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:57 PM
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I'm thinking of switching to them. It's not a priority. If you don't use the boom feature, I don't see any issues with them, but I've never "field tested" them.
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:59 AM
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I'm a believer. In fact, for years I used flat-based cymbals stands as well with great success. However, thanks to technology and a drumming population driving research and development, my new Pearl 900-series stands aren't much heavier than my older Tama Stagemaster single-braced stuff, so the weight for me is the same for a bit more stability.

But I've always said, the hardware doesn't get abused when you're using it. It gets abused when it's moved from gig to gig, especially when other people are involved in moving it around. So, you can go as light as you need, and if you're the only one moving it, it'll last for years. Nobody needs that over-engineered Drum Workshop stuff that you can jack a truck up on. Nobody plays that hard - look at John Bonham, the man made his instrument speak with his technique!
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:13 AM
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I use Tama single braced snare, hat, and cymbal stands.
I also use a Gibraltar bass drum mounted ride cymbal holder on my 18 inch bass kit.

I have no problem with them. I really like them.

Check out the bass drum cymbal holders that I use for my vintage Gretsch kit and my Pearl/ddrum kit.
They work great and they save me energy and time during setup and transport.
They save floorspace too.
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Old 01-30-2011, 08:04 AM
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All of my hardware is double braced. If I solely had to move my gear, I probably would think differently. Stability is paramount when it comes to my hardware selection, especially when some of my stands might get sand bagged on some venues. Yes, including my over-engineered DW 9700 stands.

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Old 01-30-2011, 12:33 PM
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Nobody needs that over-engineered Drum Workshop stuff that you can jack a truck up on.
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I think we have yet another case of the 20somethings wanting it and the older people not needing it. :)
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:41 PM
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Absolutely.
I used to have my floor tom and 2 cymbals on 1 stand and my tom and 1 cymbal on another. And I never found it very fast or easy to set-up.
I now have the 3 same cymbals on Yamaha's cs650 stands, the tom on the Yamaha 12" snare stand, and I put legs on the floor tom (and it sounds better too). I really find this way faster to position stuff exactly were I want.
2 of these stands weigh about the same as 1 cs850 stands I was using. And w/out the multiclamp and booms things weigh less and set up is faster.
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I think we have yet another case of the 20somethings wanting it and the older people not needing it. :)
That certainly may be the case! Peace and goodwill.
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Old 01-30-2011, 03:18 PM
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I guess that the lesson is this.
They make hardware in all capacities.
Use what you like or need to get the job done for you.

If a single braced stand or a bass mounted cymbal holder works for you,
then that is what you should use.

If you want or need heavy duty then that is what you should have.

I found some inexpensive cymbal stands for $30 each.
I bought six of them to use with my 4 kits.
I figured that I would use them and throw them away as they screwed up.
That was 3 years ago and I haven't had to replace any of them.
I gig with these stands and transport them a lot.

That worked for me because I got six stands for the price of two.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:20 PM
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I think we have yet another case of the 20somethings wanting it and the older people not needing it. :)
I really wish I were 20 something, that was decades ago, lol.

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Old 01-30-2011, 05:33 PM
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Me, too. Getting old is no fun at all.
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Nearly all my hardware is single-braced and I jam everything I can onto every stand. I don't have a single stand that holds only one cymbal. In fact, I have one single-braced stand that holds up to three cymbals, plus two hanging floor toms and occasionally a couple of cowbells, with no issues whatsoever. It shakes just slightly if I lay into it, but never so much that anything's in danger of tipping or falling off.

Double-braced stands are a mix of marketing and overkill engineering. I don't doubt that there are individuals who seriously need a super-wide-stanced, double-braced stand for some reason (such as Terry here)... but for the majority of gigging drummers, it's really not crucial in my opinion. And lugging around large amounts of steel back in my younger days probably was a major contributor to my two slipped discs.
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Old 01-30-2011, 06:49 PM
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I have a DW 9000 stand that holds a 15" tom,22" ride,14" hats and a 19" china.It's still solid as a rock. Sure,it's heavy but it does the work of 4 stands. :)
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Old 01-30-2011, 10:10 PM
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When you start mounting 14" and up toms on a stand with cymbals on top, double brace is going to out perform single every time. If you have one heavyweight in your bag, that's not too bad for what its going to do for you if need be.

I mentioned before in an older thread of same that in the studio we A-B'd single and double braced cymbal stands (double being considerably heavier) and the recorded play backs reveled cymbals recorded/sounded better on heavier stands. Could have something to do with the mass of the stand not transferring vibration back to the cymbal.
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Old 01-31-2011, 03:21 AM
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Lets talk about single braced hat and snare stands.
I have Tama Stage Master single braced snare and hat stands.

I use 5x14 and 5.5x13 wood snare drums of average weights.
I also use thick 14 inch hats.
I have no problems with these stands,
They are inexpensive, They adjust really well.
They are a working drummers dream.
They are just as good as my comparable double braced snare and hat stands.
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:38 AM
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I have a few single braced HH's, an AXIS being one of them. I prefer the heavier HH stands when possible. Of all my HH stands, I play my YAMAHA HS 1100 the most, its heavy but not that big (small foot print). The heavier HH's don't move as easily and their bulk seems to absorb the shock better (I play barefoot most of the time).

Snare stands I prefer single braced and the smaller foot print the better- which the single braced ones usually have.
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Firm believer in single-braced stands. Why cart around the extra bulk? You don't need it.
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Why cart around the extra bulk? You don't need it.
... when you start mounting 14" and up toms on a stand with cymbals on top, you need the bulk.
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... when you start mounting 14" and up toms on a stand with cymbals on top, you need the bulk.
That's why 14" and up toms have LEGS!!!
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Open question: If someone produced a carbon fibre range of stands, that were at least as strong as the best double braced stands, but, let's say, 30% more expensive, would you buy them? Just curious.
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Old 02-01-2011, 08:37 PM
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Open question: If someone produced a carbon fibre range of stands, that were at least as strong as the best double braced stands, but, let's say, 30% more expensive, would you buy them? Just curious.
That idea sure worked for the photographers with their tripods....but those guys make alot more money ;)
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Open question: If someone produced a carbon fibre range of stands, that were at least as strong as the best double braced stands, but, let's say, 30% more expensive, would you buy them? Just curious.
I probably wouldn't. I find the cymbal stand's stability is more with it's weight than with it's strength.

BTW, I do own a Gitzo 100% carbon fiber tripod and love it, but I don't go around hitting the camera that's mounted on top of it with a stick, lol.

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Old 02-02-2011, 02:02 AM
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Carbon fiber cymbal stands would have to be made of thicker tubes than steel stands.
Carbon fiber is strong enough but it is more flexible than steel.

Carbon fiber stands would be really expensive!

It is also true that the weight of a cymbal stand helps with the sound as well as the fact that the stand base acts as an anchor.
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I used single braced stands a long time ago and they were pretty rickety. That was probably due to their cheap make though.
I have never really checked out modern quality built SB stands.
I have all double braced stands, mainly because they are everywhere and SB stands seem to be pretty rare.
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Old 02-02-2011, 04:49 AM
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Open question: If someone produced a carbon fibre range of stands, that were at least as strong as the best double braced stands, but, let's say, 30% more expensive, would you buy them? Just curious.
cool idea. But wouldn't they be kind of delicate. It's stiff and strong but in a tube it doesn't take side impact or crushing very well.

what about ALUMINUM stands. I have some Tama stands from the 80's w/ aluminum legs - seems to work.
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Old 02-02-2011, 05:19 AM
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I also have often wondered why there are no Aluminum stands.
Aluminum is light and strong.
It doesn't rust.
It is also fully recyclable.
It is not expensive.
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I also have often wondered why there are no Aluminum stands.
Aluminum is light and strong.
It doesn't rust.
It is also fully recyclable.
It is not expensive.
There are! Gibraltar's new 9700 series ("Turning Point") are chrome-plated aluminum.
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There are! Gibraltar's new 9700 series ("Turning Point") are chrome-plated aluminum.
http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa...sid=676&cid=70
Those are cool and I bet they could be even smaller.
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I'm all for single braced in order to save weight. It's only when I'll have about three things on one stand that I ever want double.
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There are! Gibraltar's new 9700 series ("Turning Point") are chrome-plated aluminum.
http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa...sid=676&cid=70
Gibraltars gear is great stuff.
I have a set of 9600 hardware. One could buy that, and never have to buy another set of hardware. Stuff is really heavy to cart around though.

Even with the Aluminum legs, I think this stuff would be too heavy for me to want to move--and I don't use that much stuff.

if they offered these in "one step down" sized tubing, which would be bigger than the single braced stand, then it might be something I'd get.

I use the DW 6000 straight stands, and the lighter weight 2 leg hat stand (think it's the 3500 now) with no problems in my hard rock bands.
I am really liking the Swing Nut thing. I always loved the Brake Tilter. Works great, and I loved how the cymbals felt playing them (the felts are nice too haha!).
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There are! Gibraltar's new 9700 series ("Turning Point") are chrome-plated aluminum.
http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa...sid=676&cid=70
Wow! I didn't know that.
I'll keep them in mind in the near future.
Do they make snare and hat stands in the chrome plated aluminum?
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Wow! I didn't know that.
I'll keep them in mind in the near future.
Do they make snare and hat stands in the chrome plated aluminum?
This just came out at NAMM, so for right now it appears just cymbal stands, but expect more stands if these are well received.

Gibraltar came out with an all-aluminum hardware line called AX in the early 90s, and there are still some available on the used market.

A quick search for currently-offered aluminum stands finds Canopus making what it calls "a hybrid aluminum/steel cymbal stand" (although it looks like Google Translate had a few too many beers before setting to work on this page). DW's 6000 line of hardware uses aluminum components - mostly in the legs.
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Yamaha, Tama, and Gibraltar all make heavy enough single-braced stands to hang a large tom and/or multiple cymbals from. I have some Gibraltar JZ stands that are light weight, and I would not ever use them for any multiple duty. But I also have two older Tama heavier single-braced cymbal stands that can stand up to holding a large tom and/or multiple cymbals. Even though I do not own one at this time, the Yamaha CS750 is probably the best all-around cymbal stand out there. Peace and goodwill. Drum on!
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Absolutely. When I'm not using my rack, I use single braced stands. I have two Yamaha cymbal stands which I love, an old Tama from the 80's with a Gibraltar top section and a Pearl snare stand. All single braced. My Yamaha hi-hat is double braced but very light weight with smaller tubing.

SB means less weight and is plenty sturdy for me. It's is a winner!
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