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Old 01-20-2011, 04:55 PM
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Default Remo Powerstroke Pro

I'm excited to try these, since I'm a big fan of the Powerstroke 3 head. Not very innovative, obviously, since the EMAD has had this for a long time. I never liked the sound of the EMAD, however.

http://remo.com/powerstrokepro/

Might I finally be able to remove that small batter-side pillow from inside my kick drum?

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Old 01-20-2011, 05:04 PM
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That guy sure used alot of big words. Woulda been easier to say "eh, we copied the emad."
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:17 PM
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That guy sure used alot of big words. Woulda been easier to say "eh, we copied the emad."
Haha...exactly. I guess it goes without saying, so maybe he felt he didn't have to.
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Old 01-21-2011, 08:35 PM
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....eh, Emad copy.
I use and like Remo, but this, and the (pos) Powersonic or whatever it's called (discussed recently) aren't gonna get a second on my bass drums.

Never going to sound as good to me as what I use now...which is not a pre-muffed head.

The only Pre-Muffed heads I have liked are the coated P3 (hate the clear) and the Evans EQ1 frosted.

Even with a muffled head on batter/front, I'd still put something at the bottom of the shell (not touching either head) to stop the sound from bouncing around, and having the slightest chance of getting "the basketball" sound.

Sorry if it sounded like Debbie Downer haha!
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This is Remo for "we still can't make a bass drum head that sounds as good as the Aquarian Super Kick 2"

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Old 01-21-2011, 10:01 PM
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... dude, wait till you see the price, its gonna be like $300
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... dude, wait till you see the price, its gonna be like $300
they have to pay for all those ads somehow.....
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... dude, wait till you see the price, its gonna be like $300
Cost of an EMAD is my guess, Les.....at least it should be if they want to go head-to-head with it.......which by the looks of the thing, is their intention.

The Powersonic failed miserably (surely? I've never seen one on a drum kit in Oz at any rate - added to the reviews being less than favourable). So what's the plan B? Yep, reinvent the wheel.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:08 AM
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I always liked the EMAD single ply head but with all the issues they have with the plastic ring falling apart maybe these will be worth checking out. As long as they don't charge you too much?
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:36 PM
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I always liked the EMAD single ply head but with all the issues they have with the plastic ring falling apart maybe these will be worth checking out. As long as they don't charge you too much?
Cue Evans Specialist in 3...2...1...
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This goes to show that every company must have something to go against what their rival has, no matter what. Sometimes, this clashes with the integrity of the company in sectors like musical products and the like.

Having a head that it prematurely dampened is idiotic mainly for two reasons:
  • It's entirely a gimmick to attract drummers that haven't yet realized that dampening is a nasty beast
  • It takes away the option for the customer to change their sound in a full 'range of motion'.

I wouldn't let this thing anywhere near my bass drum. Hey, I have a pillow in there like a lot of other guys, but this goes against my ideology in arbitrary ways, like a lot of my choices in drumming. This won't last more than a year.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:30 PM
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Hello Everyone,


Remo product specialist here. I thought I’d chime in on a couple of the comments discussed here. So you all know we’re really excited about this release because we’ve created a great bass drumhead for those of you who prefer a head that is pre-muffled. For those of you that prefer a Powerstroke 3 or even Ambassadors on your bass drums this head may or may not be for you but for anyone who prefers a big sound with the right amount of control, a great feel and is very easy to tune this is your bass drumhead. The other big thing we’ve done with the Powerstroke Pro is made it a head that all players from the beginner to the professional can count on to last without any premature failures to the construction of the drumhead. With this head anyone can get a professional sound quickly and easily that will work for pretty much any application.

The manufactures suggested retail price for the Powerstroke Pro is $84 which is right in the same range of most other bass drumheads in the market so there’s no big price difference from other heads currently in the market.

We’ll be posting more information and videos on the Powerstroke Pro over the next few weeks so keep in the loop by visiting http://www.remo.com/powerstrokepro/

The Powerstroke Pro will begin hitting stores mid to late March so be sure to check it out.

Of course thanks for your interest!
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:15 PM
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Thanks for chiming in, Remo. There's a lot of hatin' going on here, for this head! Wow! I won't knock it until I see (or even try it.) I liked the EMAD concept but hated the sound of the head. Even if this *is* the same thing, which doesn't look to be exactly true, it has to sound better than the EMAD....which is a weak, wimpy sounding bass drum head compared to the Powerstroke 3. I tried the Superkick II and thought it sounded terrible in comparison, too.
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Remo product specialist here. I thought I’d chime in on a couple of the comments discussed here. So you all know we’re really excited about this release because we’ve created a great bass drumhead for those of you who prefer a head that is pre-muffled. For those of you that prefer a Powerstroke 3 or even Ambassadors on your bass drums this head may or may not be for you but for anyone who prefers a big sound with the right amount of control, a great feel and is very easy to tune this is your bass drumhead. The other big thing we’ve done with the Powerstroke Pro is made it a head that all players from the beginner to the professional can count on to last without any premature failures to the construction of the drumhead. With this head anyone can get a professional sound quickly and easily that will work for pretty much any application.

The manufactures suggested retail price for the Powerstroke Pro is $84 which is right in the same range of most other bass drumheads in the market so there’s no big price difference from other heads currently in the market.

We’ll be posting more information and videos on the Powerstroke Pro over the next few weeks so keep in the loop by visiting http://www.remo.com/powerstrokepro/

The Powerstroke Pro will begin hitting stores mid to late March so be sure to check it out.

Of course thanks for your interest!


$84 for a drum head is right around $300 in 'drummer dollars' just to let you know.

We've witnessed drumheads go the way of the tooth brush, which went from .89 to $4
What do you get for the $4? A different design... some bends and twists.

Drumhead companies need to persuade the drumming community that putting any type of dampening material in a bass drum is a bad thing. A propaganda campaign so to speak, this must needs be for dampened bass drum heads to reach full sales potential.

I noticed awhile back REMO slipped some fiber based info sheets into new drumhead boxes letting people know that a few successful 'studio drummers' insist on changing their drumheads after only 3 takes in the studio. This 'is' the direction head companies need to go, the drumming publics perception on 'drumhead life expectancy' needs to be changed for sales to increase. Of course not in a blatant way mind you, it obviously needs to be done subtly. Convince consumers they need to change heads more frequently, more frequently then they're used to, its just common sense- $ales will increase.

Drumheads have nowhere else to go, 'design twists' are the future. I'm all for it! The drumhead sector has shown the least amount design advancement through the years compared to other gear. A flap here, a foam ring there hasn't been enough to keep pace. There's big money to made on plastic film.

I'd love to see a bass drum head with a hardened center circle, radial expansion creases etc. I see no reason why there can't be a $100 MSRP bass drum head in a year or two.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:12 PM
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Zambizzi

We listened to every bass drumhead and bass drumhead “set up” or tuning style and muffling preference we could find and we’re confident we’ve found a sound that’s not just a great sound but also a very useable sound for any circumstance. With the Powerstroke 3 being one of the most recorded, toured and trusted bass drum sounds in history you’ll be happy to hear we’ve maintained many of the characteristics of the P3 but have added modern design to pre-muffle the head so those who want to get muffling out of the drum can do that and also make it easier to tune giving more people access to a better sound.

We don't expect every Powerstroke 3 player to dig the head because you make like to be able to manipulate the tuning and the muffling for different sounds but we are confident you'll still dig the sound because its something you'll be familiar with.

Thanks for your interest
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$84 for a drum head is right around $300 in 'drummer dollars' just to let you know.

We've witnessed drumheads go the way of the tooth brush, which went from .89 to $4
What do you get for the $4? A different design... some bends and twists.

Drumhead companies need to persuade the drumming community that putting any type of dampening material in a bass drum is a bad thing. A propaganda campaign so to speak, this must needs be for dampened bass drum heads to reach full sales potential.

I noticed awhile back REMO slipped some fiber based info sheets into new drumhead boxes letting people know that a few successful 'studio drummers' insist on changing their drumheads after only 3 takes in the studio. This 'is' the direction head companies need to go, the drumming publics perception on 'drumhead life expectancy' needs to be changed for sales to increase. Of course not in a blatant way mind you, it obviously needs to be done subtly. Convince consumers they need to change heads more frequently, more frequently then they're used to, its just common sense- $ales will increase.

Drumheads have nowhere else to go, 'design twists' are the future. I'm all for it! The drumhead sector has shown the least amount design advancement through the years compared to other gear. A flap here, a foam ring there hasn't been enough to keep pace. There's big money to made on plastic film.

I'd love to see a bass drum head with a hardened center circle, radial expansion creases etc. I see no reason why there can't be a $100 MSRP bass drum head in a year or two.
Just to clarify further an MSRP of $84 will lend itself to around a $42 or so street price.

You are right about changing drumheads. For most the easiest way to improve your sound is to simply get a fresh set of drumheads on your kit!

Thanks for your interest!
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:30 PM
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Just to clarify further an MSRP of $84 will lend itself to around a $42 or so street price.

Right, and an MSRP of $100 will lend itself to around a $50 street price. $8 for a tab here, or maybe a few slots in the foam, not to hard to imagine.


Besides... street price? That sounds downright filthy and I'll have none of it, I always insist on paying MSRP
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Only two things wrong with the head other than the obvious Evans copy.
1. they spelled Evans wrong
2. they glued the foam ring in. I guess to change Evans patent a bit.

Why would you glue in the ring if you ever wanted to unmuffle the head?
Besides I am leery of anything with Pro in the title. That is old marketing hype that needs to go away.
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Old 01-23-2011, 10:48 PM
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Only two things wrong with the head other than the obvious Evans copy.
1. they spelled Evans wrong
2. they glued the foam ring in. I guess to change Evans patent a bit.

why would you glue in the ring if you ever wanted to unmuffle the head. Nice try.


Check out the web site/vid- which is supposed answer questions(?), or be entertaining?

NO, wait! I just looked at it, as usual, it raises more questions then it answers.

Is REMO selling cologne here, or usable drumheads?

Their ad people need to get with the program, the drummers program, stop trying to push a Giorgio Armani style add campaign.
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When you really have nothing new to sell you hide it in Glitz.
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I wasn't all that impressed with the new head either.
The PS3 is perfection to me.
I don't see how they can top that act!
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They think they have something to sell, the problem is they're marketing it to the average Joe on the street, people who don't even play drums.
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Again, I say "no thank you".

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Even if this *is* the same thing, which doesn't look to be exactly true, it has to sound better than the EMAD....
Asking the question because I really don't understand the real difference between the EMAD and the Powerstroke Pro. They are both single ply 10-mil heads with a plastic ring adhered to the head that holds a foam muffling ring. Other than the way the ring is adhered to the drum head whats the difference? 10-mil is 10-mil, mylar is mylar, ring holder is pretty much a ring holder and foam is foam for the most part so how exactly will these 2 products provide a noticeable different bass drum sound?
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Asking the question because I really don't understand the real difference between the EMAD and the Powerstroke Pro. They are both single ply 10-mil heads with a plastic ring adhered to the head that holds a foam muffling ring. Other than the way the ring is adhered to the drum head whats the difference? 10-mil is 10-mil, mylar is mylar, ring holder is pretty much a ring holder and foam is foam for the most part so how exactly will these 2 products provide a noticeable different bass drum sound?
They'll sound different, don't kid yourself with the physics, alone. Not all heads are created equal.

I had a brief exchange with "evans specialist" in private, as a result of this thread, and explained that I have two EQ4 heads sitting around at home, a 22" and a 24". They just don't sound nearly as good as the Powerstroke 3. I've tested them both on the same drums, extensively, including recordings. Something is missing with Evans...no mojo. That's what I'm hearing, anyhow.

I will give credit to Evans for quality and feel. Their heads FEEL great and are made better than anyone else. Also, kudos for the drop in prices that they're implementing.
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Asking the question because I really don't understand the real difference between the EMAD and the Powerstroke Pro. They are both single ply 10-mil heads with a plastic ring adhered to the head that holds a foam muffling ring. Other than the way the ring is adhered to the drum head whats the difference? 10-mil is 10-mil, mylar is mylar, ring holder is pretty much a ring holder and foam is foam for the most part so how exactly will these 2 products provide a noticeable different bass drum sound?
Just to clear some things up on the Evans side, the EMAD line comes in a variety of configurations (EMAD, GMAD, EMAD Onyx, EMAD2 in sizes 18" through 26"). The purpose (and naming convention) for the EMAD is to offer a muffling solution that is external and offers 3 different options (no muffling, light muffling, full muffling- based on the foam insert). The user can easily switch between these options in a matter of seconds. You'd be surprised to see how much of a sonic difference there is between films, foams, etc. Many people are quite happy with the sound that can be achieved from a head within the EMAD line. Others are seeking more of an open, full-bodied sound (which can be achieved with our EQ line).

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Old 01-26-2011, 03:35 AM
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hey are both single ply 10-mil heads with a plastic ring adhered to the head that holds a foam muffling ring. Other than the way the ring is adhered to the drum head whats the difference? 10-mil is 10-mil, mylar is mylar, ring holder is pretty much a ring holder and foam is foam for the most part so how exactly will these 2 products provide a noticeable different bass drum sound?

Here it is in black and white, the consumer sees no difference between plastic film, hoops, ring holders. Numbers will help, numbers in form of measurements, measurements that will define a sound.

EVANS/REMO need to get specific with info, create a meaning for why their heads sound the way they do. Get the people heads involved since they don't know what sound/feel is good for them on paper/video.
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