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Old 01-06-2011, 03:00 AM
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Hey there! I'm looking to start recording drums but I must keep my cost under 450$.
I already have the drums, and the computer, and a great sounding room. I just need to know what I will need? Please recommend: mics, mixers, software, stands and all the other necessary equipment.

I have never done this before, so please give me a list of what I need and your recommendation.
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Computer specs, please.
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Dell desktop (no idea what model). Lots of hardware space available.
Windows XP home edition.
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Dell desktop (no idea what model). Lots of hardware space available.
Windows XP home edition.
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Those aren't much of specs. What processor? How much RAM? What Motherboard? Those are the key things for USB and Firewire recording.
And...are you sure you want to record those Gretsch? You might need to downgrade here, buddy...I'd start 4 or 5 more threads about the subject to make sure.


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Old 01-06-2011, 05:16 AM
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Those aren't much of specs. What processor? How much RAM? What Motherboard? Those are the key things for USB and Firewire recording.
And...are you sure you want to record those Gretsch? You might need to downgrade here, buddy...I'd start 4 or 5 more threads about the subject to make sure.


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What do you mean "downgrade"? Whats wrong with recording my Gretsch'? Sounds good and I have RemO's on them, with moongels, and new resonant heads.

ANYWAY. I'm not sure about what I have on my computer. I bought it from BestBuy like 7 years ago and haven't taken a look at it since.
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Throw us a bone and find out what your computer specs are!
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:20 PM
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Throw us a bone and find out what your computer specs are!
Its old! I have no idea whatsoever!

To be honest how much does that matter? Won't a audio interface work with most operating systems?
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Yeah your computer's old mate! However I bought my old desktop 6 years ago, its still not too bad. I upgraded to Windows 7 however.

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Its old! I have no idea whatsoever!
Im not THAT familliar with XP, but to bring up your specs. I believe its Start > My Computer > And in the left a little notice box thingy that collapsable should say System Properties > And under one of the tabs (General I think) Should give you all your main PC Specs.

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To be honest how much does that matter? Won't a audio interface work with most operating systems?
And its more to do with the program taking alot of memory aswell, if youve got anything less then 1GB Ram, 2.0Ghz and 150gb Hard Drive then I would reccomend an upgrade. Software demands alot of memory now a days, the good thing is, if you do requite an upgrade. Extremely powerful are quite cheap.

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Hey there! I'm looking to start recording drums but I must keep my cost under 450$.
I already have the drums, and the computer, and a great sounding room. I just need to know what I will need? Please recommend: mics, mixers, software, stands and all the other necessary equipment.
You are new to recording (As am I) but I will break it down for exactly what ARE the essentials and any optionals.

Mic Gear

ESSENTIALS
1 x Bass Drum Mic + Mini Boom Mic Stand
1 x Snare/Tom Mic + Mic Clip
2 x Overhead Mic. + Mic Stand (You can get away with 1 as that doesnt cause phasing issues)
XLR Cables to fit them into Interface/Mixer

Optional
1 x Snare/ Tom Mic + Clip (This can be used to mic the bottom skin to add that crack to the mix)
Several Snare/Tom Mic + Clip (For the toms if you wish to mic them)
Several Overhead Mic + Mic Stand (To mic certain cymbals and instruments)
XLR Cables to fit them into Interface/Mixer

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This is where it gets tricky but Ill give you a reccomendation

Mixers:
A mixer allows you to plug in your mics, mix the analog sound using certain EQ Features such as frequency boosts, panning etc. Most mixers will provide phantom power to power condenser mics and have preamps which boosts low level signals to a usable level (I think!) and then it gets send to the Workstation by either RCA Cables, Jacks, sometimes USB and Firewire

Good
This is usually a great option to beginners as its fairly easy to mix and provides most things like Preamps and Phantom Power
Bad
Most mixers do not allow you to edit individuals channels (Toms/Bass etc.) and they are already usually edited to much for someones liking. This is usually countered by a hybrid analog/digital mixer which has a USB or Firewire interface.

Audio Interface
These are for more experienced users but are just as easy to use imo. They provide direct connection to your PC allowing for full editing and manipulation of each channel. People either buy seperate Interfaces or make use of thier sound card to plug in thier mics.

Good:
Full control of channels and manipulation, easy to plug in and setup.

Bad:
Most do not have built in Preamps, Phantom Power etc. they are also quite alot more expenesive.

Will add more info later but my battery is about to die!

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Its old! I have no idea whatsoever!

To be honest how much does that matter? Won't a audio interface work with most operating systems?
It matters a lot. If your computer doesn't have enough CPU power or RAM, then the interface may work fine, but your software options are far more limited. I know the limitations of all of my systems and alter how I use them accordingly. For example, I wouldn't try to run four impulse response revebs as well as three modelling synthesisers an my old iMac, it just doesn't have the CPU overhead necessary. XP will recognise everything interface-wise, but that's not the issue. Snow Leopard in 64-bit (my system) on the other hand...

You need to start searching Google for instructions on how to do basic things on your computer like find the system specifications.

Also: www.soundonsound.com has some GREAT basic recording tutorials. I read the magazine every month too, but most of the back issues are up on the web.

You need to start taking this into your own hands and get your hands dirty, then you might find people here more accommodating when you start asking questions.
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:22 PM
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Yeah your computer's old mate! However I bought my old desktop 6 years ago, its still not too bad. I upgraded to Windows 7 however.



Im not THAT familliar with XP, but to bring up your specs. I believe its Start > My Computer > And in the left a little notice box thingy that collapsable should say System Properties > And under one of the tabs (General I think) Should give you all your main PC Specs.



And its more to do with the program taking alot of memory aswell, if youve got anything less then 1GB Ram, 2.0Ghz and 150gb Hard Drive then I would reccomend an upgrade. Software demands alot of memory now a days, the good thing is, if you do requite an upgrade. Extremely powerful are quite cheap.



You are new to recording (As am I) but I will break it down for exactly what ARE the essentials and any optionals.

Mic Gear

ESSENTIALS
1 x Bass Drum Mic + Mini Boom Mic Stand
1 x Snare/Tom Mic + Mic Clip
2 x Overhead Mic. + Mic Stand (You can get away with 1 as that doesnt cause phasing issues)
XLR Cables to fit them into Interface/Mixer

Optional
1 x Snare/ Tom Mic + Clip (This can be used to mic the bottom skin to add that crack to the mix)
Several Snare/Tom Mic + Clip (For the toms if you wish to mic them)
Several Overhead Mic + Mic Stand (To mic certain cymbals and instruments)
XLR Cables to fit them into Interface/Mixer

PC Related Gear
This is where it gets tricky but Ill give you a reccomendation

Mixers:
A mixer allows you to plug in your mics, mix the analog sound using certain EQ Features such as frequency boosts, panning etc. Most mixers will provide phantom power to power condenser mics and have preamps which boosts low level signals to a usable level (I think!) and then it gets send to the Workstation by either RCA Cables, Jacks, sometimes USB and Firewire

Good
This is usually a great option to beginners as its fairly easy to mix and provides most things like Preamps and Phantom Power
Bad
Most mixers do not allow you to edit individuals channels (Toms/Bass etc.) and they are already usually edited to much for someones liking. This is usually countered by a hybrid analog/digital mixer which has a USB or Firewire interface.

Audio Interface
These are for more experienced users but are just as easy to use imo. They provide direct connection to your PC allowing for full editing and manipulation of each channel. People either buy seperate Interfaces or make use of thier sound card to plug in thier mics.

Good:
Full control of channels and manipulation, easy to plug in and setup.

Bad:
Most do not have built in Preamps, Phantom Power etc. they are also quite alot more expenesive.

Will add more info later but my battery is about to die!
Thanks! That probably took a while to type!

What do you think of just recording with 2 overheads and a bass and snare? I have heard some demos of this, and I'm quite impressed.
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Old 01-06-2011, 08:50 PM
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That's not true though. Really, really cheap interfaces may only have one or two preamps (I'm looking at you, Digidesign) but any consumer interface worth your time will have. I'd say the minimum would be 4 XLR Inputs (all phantom powered) and a Line In. In terms of output, a minimum of a stereo output. More expansive interfaces really aren't that expensive. I'll give you a rundown of my system (in UK Pounds).

Computer:
Late 2009 15" MacBook Pro. No need to go into the specs. Not strictly relevant, but my experiences differ slightly.

Interface:
Line 6 TonePort UX8
8 Preamps with XLR Input
8 Line In (with two high-impedance designed for guitars)
SPDIF In/Out
8 Balanced Jack Outputs (this is where it is more advanced than most in the same category) with 2 'Main' outputs.
2 Headphone Outputs

Total Cost: 350

Which, in perspective, is actually pretty cheap. Considering it is twice as much as you need (I have used it all on occasion) and that it comes with some great guitar modelling software, I'm happy. It sounds pretty decent too and the A/D converters are quite clean.

Now, I wouldn't recommend that a non-nerd buy my interface. And here are the reasons.
i) Poor software support. Doesn't work in OS X 64-bit. I have to use the 32 bit kernel when I'm using it (needs a reboot). Using it in XP would be child's play.
ii) Better quality interfaces for a similar price from more respected manufacturers.

But it's actually really rather good and the 8-out capability lets me do all sorts of interactions with outboard gear. Which is convenient. The software drivers (32 Bit only!) are flexible and let you change all the settings on the interface from the software.

Now, to put that in perspective, you should probably pay for something more basic. That would set you back around $250 to $300. Then you could buy a reasonable pair of overhead mics for around $200.

Really, the Overheads, Snare, Bass approach on recording works fine, but actually so can two overheads alone if you know what you're doing and I would start that way so you can get better quality gear incrementally.

Forget about using a mixer for recording. There's no point. Stereo input alone doesn't give you any kind of flexibility of editing.
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:22 PM
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SO what I need is:

Interface- Yamaha AUDIOGRAM 6 COMPUTER RECORDING SYSTEM
Condenser mics- MXL 993 Condenser Microphones Stereo Pair
Stands- DR Pro Tripod Mic Boom Stand
Cables- Live Wire LIVEWIRE XLR MICROPHONE CABLE 20 FT
Software- Acoustica Mixcraft 5 Audio MIDI Music Recording Software

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Old 01-06-2011, 10:13 PM
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That sounds fine, but I would go with Reaper as your DAW (the software) rather than Mixcraft.

http://www.reaper.fm/index.php

You would qualify for the $40 Licence and Reaper is gaining use from all sorts in the industry as a professional-quality platform.

The Yamaha looks fairly good. Although that only has two XLR (Microphone) inputs and you might want to expand in the future. You could probably find a cheaper two-preamp interface without the control surface as well.

Word of warning. If you go with Reaper (and I strongly recommend it) be careful that your computer can actually handle it. On modern systems, it wouldn't be a problem and whilst Reaper is very lightweight compared to say, Logic Pro (what I use) I would still find out your computer specifications first. If it can't run Reaper, then there's not a lot it will run.
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That sounds fine, but I would go with Reaper as your DAW (the software) rather than Mixcraft.

http://www.reaper.fm/index.php

You would qualify for the $40 Licence and Reaper is gaining use from all sorts in the industry as a professional-quality platform.

The Yamaha looks fairly good. Although that only has two XLR (Microphone) inputs and you might want to expand in the future. You could probably find a cheaper two-preamp interface without the control surface as well.

Word of warning. If you go with Reaper (and I strongly recommend it) be careful that your computer can actually handle it. On modern systems, it wouldn't be a problem and whilst Reaper is very lightweight compared to say, Logic Pro (what I use) I would still find out your computer specifications first. If it can't run Reaper, then there's not a lot it will run.
The scary but OK part is that I can buy one of them, see if its compatible, and if it isn't I can return it! But yes your correct about the Yamaha pricing and XLR inputs for it.
What do you think about just the 2 overheads?
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:17 AM
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The reason I suggest Reaper is that it has a really good support community and mainstream success. Some of the big magazines are running Reaper tutorials. Reaper is download-only, but they should have email support and there is an active user forum on the Reaper website.

Two overheads works just fine. It's not as flexible as more microphones, but it's a great way to introduce yourself to the basics of recording. All the principles can be used and experimented with with just two microphones. If you want a third, get a specialist bass drum microphone if you are only recording drums. If you are recording more than just drums, it would be wise to buy yourself a second hand SM57 or 58 as these can be used to record a number of other things (guitar cabs, etc) and you could use a condenser for vocals and are very rugged. Although not a specialist bass drum microphone, they can be used, although they are not ideally suited and you'd have to be careful about placement.

You should familiarise yourself with the basics of acoustics, recording and digital audio. A good (albeit slightly out of date) start would be here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul0...sician0701.asp

Read that and see if it makes any sense.
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:29 AM
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The reason I suggest Reaper is that it has a really good support community and mainstream success. Some of the big magazines are running Reaper tutorials. Reaper is download-only, but they should have email support and there is an active user forum on the Reaper website.

Two overheads works just fine. It's not as flexible as more microphones, but it's a great way to introduce yourself to the basics of recording. All the principles can be used and experimented with with just two microphones. If you want a third, get a specialist bass drum microphone if you are only recording drums. If you are recording more than just drums, it would be wise to buy yourself a second hand SM57 or 58 as these can be used to record a number of other things (guitar cabs, etc) and you could use a condenser for vocals and are very rugged. Although not a specialist bass drum microphone, they can be used, although they are not ideally suited and you'd have to be careful about placement.

You should familiarise yourself with the basics of acoustics, recording and digital audio. A good (albeit slightly out of date) start would be here:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul0...sician0701.asp

Read that and see if it makes any sense.
I feel that you've gone out of your way for me :).

What other interface would you recommend that is close to that same price.
By the way, I think I will go with the MixCraft. I am doing this because its EXTREMELY easy to figure out, and I have many people that have said great things about it.
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Ok, go with Mixcraft if you figure it's the better option.

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/m-audio-fast-track-pro/4124

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/presonus-audiobox-usb/20843

Are two. I'm finding it tricky to find a four-input interface. They used to be easy to find.

I think your best bet though is the Alesis MultiMix 8. Make sure you get the USB model for your purposes.
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Ok, go with Mixcraft if you figure it's the better option.

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/m-audio-fast-track-pro/4124

http://www.gak.co.uk/en/presonus-audiobox-usb/20843

Are two. I'm finding it tricky to find a four-input interface. They used to be easy to find.

I think your best bet though is the Alesis MultiMix 8. Make sure you get the USB model for your purposes.
Of course I will get the USB model! I don't know too much about computers and wiring, so the USB would be my best bet!
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There are two models of some of these, that's all. Some use FireWire, some use USB. Your computer probably hasn't got a FireWire card, but they are relatively inexpensive (around $20) if you find an interface that is better than any USB one at a similar price.

I really think that Alesis is a steal. If I didn't have what I have and were on a smaller budget, I'd be giving it serious thought.

If you don't know much about computers now, brace yourself. It's going to be a learning curve!
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There are two models of some of these, that's all. Some use FireWire, some use USB. Your computer probably hasn't got a FireWire card, but they are relatively inexpensive (around $20) if you find an interface that is better than any USB one at a similar price.

I really think that Alesis is a steal. If I didn't have what I have and were on a smaller budget, I'd be giving it serious thought.

If you don't know much about computers now, brace yourself. It's going to be a learning curve!
That Alesis looks good! I think I'll go with that one over the Yamaha, due to more mic inputs and more settings and options.

To be totally honest, how hard and difficult will it be to start recording efficiently? On a scale from 1-10?
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Doing it really well can take a lifetime. To get good results at the end of the process will take a few months of practice. Read whatever you can get your hands on and take all the advice you get. It's best to start simple and it doesn't get much simpler than the setup being proposed here. This is a good start!
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Doing it really well can take a lifetime. To get good results at the end of the process will take a few months of practice. Read whatever you can get your hands on and take all the advice you get. It's best to start simple and it doesn't get much simpler than the setup being proposed here. This is a good start!
Could you explain how to hook everything up to my computer?
Also I will be doing some drum covers, so I would like to know how to edit videos with a song added in along with the drum mics sound.
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Right. Video is not my thing, so best to ask others!

Hooking it all up is simple. USB into computer (then select the interface as the main input and output of your computer) then microphone leads go into the mic and the XLR on the Alesis. Condensor microphones need power, so switch phantom power on and adjust the preamp gain. Read the instructions it comes with, they will be enlightening!

I haven't used XP in years to do audio editing (Mac here) but I'll have a go in a few days and figure a few things out. In the meantime, hopefully you'll get your gear and figure it out!
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Right. Video is not my thing, so best to ask others!

Hooking it all up is simple. USB into computer (then select the interface as the main input and output of your computer) then microphone leads go into the mic and the XLR on the Alesis. Condensor microphones need power, so switch phantom power on and adjust the preamp gain. Read the instructions it comes with, they will be enlightening!

I haven't used XP in years to do audio editing (Mac here) but I'll have a go in a few days and figure a few things out. In the meantime, hopefully you'll get your gear and figure it out!
This whole "operation" isn't happening until early June (My Birthday). I will buy this stuff with my birthday cash and gift cards to GC (Guitar Center) which I am bound to get :). Thanks for the help!
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Thanks! That probably took a while to type!

What do you think of just recording with 2 overheads and a bass and snare? I have heard some demos of this, and I'm quite impressed.
yeah man, many people do this and it works great for them, especially if they use an interface, as they can boost the toms via eqing and make them sound rich and full tonal wise.
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yo dude, what are your recordings going to be used for?
if you're only going to be listening to them yourself, you needn't drop your entire budget right away right? if you're going to be cranking out demos, then it's possible to still get good recordings for cheap. plus it's awesome if you find your own "sound"...if it sounds good to you, even though it's not a pristinely professionally produced for radio sound.
if you're going to be making proper releases, then consider dropping coin, but to me, it makes sense to pick up the (recording) basics first, then buy the better gear.

with this in mind, if the recordings are only for you and your band, perhaps you could check out craigslist for used gear.
the bare essentials would be a kick mic, snare mic, and one overhead. having less mics means having less headaches. phasing can be a puzzling thing if you don't intend on it. google these mics (kick mic, snare, overhead) to see what are common ones in use. people will probably suggest lots here, but on craigslist and whatnot, you may not have a chance to pick up the best ones. you will also obviously need cables and stands for these mics.
next is to figure a way to get the stuff into your computer. now you can use your computer to run recording software, where you'll have to figure out which software to get and how to use it, what audio interface to get etc etc etc. since it sounds like you're kinda new to this whole concept, why not keep an eye out on those separate 4/8 track recorders? you know, like the cassette, cd or harddisk ones that boss, tascam, fostex make, that were popular before computers were so powerful. the reason why i suggest looking at one of these devices is because they're likely cheaper (than suping up your computer), pretty easy to find used, and give you a way to conceptualize the whole process physically (because you plug all your mics into the recorder, mix in it, and output). after playing with the faders and mixing, you can output a stereo track which you can digitize into your computer to be able to do what ever with...
i hope you get what i'm saying dude. don't overwhelm yourself. you know you can get good recordings for cheap, here is another way to do it.
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Old 01-07-2011, 06:30 PM
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Yeah, we covered that.
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yo dude, what are your recordings going to be used for?
if you're only going to be listening to them yourself, you needn't drop your entire budget right away right? if you're going to be cranking out demos, then it's possible to still get good recordings for cheap. plus it's awesome if you find your own "sound"...if it sounds good to you, even though it's not a pristinely professionally produced for radio sound.
if you're going to be making proper releases, then consider dropping coin, but to me, it makes sense to pick up the (recording) basics first, then buy the better gear.

with this in mind, if the recordings are only for you and your band, perhaps you could check out craigslist for used gear.
the bare essentials would be a kick mic, snare mic, and one overhead. having less mics means having less headaches. phasing can be a puzzling thing if you don't intend on it. google these mics (kick mic, snare, overhead) to see what are common ones in use. people will probably suggest lots here, but on craigslist and whatnot, you may not have a chance to pick up the best ones. you will also obviously need cables and stands for these mics.
next is to figure a way to get the stuff into your computer. now you can use your computer to run recording software, where you'll have to figure out which software to get and how to use it, what audio interface to get etc etc etc. since it sounds like you're kinda new to this whole concept, why not keep an eye out on those separate 4/8 track recorders? you know, like the cassette, cd or harddisk ones that boss, tascam, fostex make, that were popular before computers were so powerful. the reason why i suggest looking at one of these devices is because they're likely cheaper (than suping up your computer), pretty easy to find used, and give you a way to conceptualize the whole process physically (because you plug all your mics into the recorder, mix in it, and output). after playing with the faders and mixing, you can output a stereo track which you can digitize into your computer to be able to do what ever with...
i hope you get what i'm saying dude. don't overwhelm yourself. you know you can get good recordings for cheap, here is another way to do it.
The mics will be mainly for Youtube use such as when I film drum covers. I have heard about the Zoom Q3, and was thinking of just using this for Youtube.
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Old 01-07-2011, 07:19 PM
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Stand-alone HDD recorders and the like are fine, but they have usually got terrible user interfaces and they make it very difficult to edit on. Combine that with the difficulty of dubbing sound on video and you're running into difficulties.
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The mics will be mainly for Youtube use such as when I film drum covers. I have heard about the Zoom Q3, and was thinking of just using this for Youtube.
i don't remember reading about recording for video, but no sweat either way. just a little more work if you do it the old school way (sync the sound with the picture manually). i've never tried the q3, but i have an h4n (no video) which i use for all sorts of applications. there are lots of ways to go about making good videos/recordings dude, but like someone posted before, you outta start getting your hands dirty and do it, then ask more specific questions. there are flocks of posters here waiting to help you, even some sniping at others to just show they know the most!
have fun and best of luck
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Old 01-08-2011, 01:36 AM
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I have a small Olympus pocket recorder I got given by my University and that actually has a surprisingly good sound, but I really would encourage younger people (and I am still young myself!) to get into recording properly as soon as they can - if they're interested. If you find it exciting then you have a real headstart and that is SO useful.

Case in point. One guy I study with writes a lot of his work as bespoke software using a specific program toolkit called Max/MSP. He also get me into it when I started University, but by that point he had two years on everybody else (and he was ridiculously talented anyway). His work blew and still blows everybody else away and purely because he worked hard and learned quickly. The same is true when it comes to recording. If you like it, stick with it. It can be a LOT of fun.
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i see you have mentioned you would like to keep it under $450 but here's an alternative i could recommend for a little more investment if you would like the results i am including as recording examples:

Behringer Eurorack UB 1204fx PRO Mixer - approx. $150
M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB - approx. $200 (you could look for a different model from M-Audio as there are cheaper model with closer performance available in their product line like the Fast Track MKII for approx $120)
SAMSON 8KIT Drum Mic Set - approx. $350 (you could look for a smaller kit from SAMSON to reduce the cost)

and as for host software, you could use Renoise.($75) even though it is a tracker, there is a very comprehensive and easy to use sample editor where you could record and edit your output.

So overall you would need $775 for the exact setup that i have used in the examples. I realize that it is nearly twice the budget you had in mind but there is always the possibility to go with used stuff or downsizing the the mic set or the mixer you have etc. just need to have a look around the internet and look for cheaper alternatives if your budget is strictly limited to $450.

Here are some examples all recorded on the go with no editing whatsoever in a very excited (i mean empty like a barrel when i say that) room with no sound treatment at all so i am sure you would have much better results in your own studio and with your own drumset.


Drum Cover - The Steeldrivers - Blue Side Of The Mountain


Play Along - Straight Eights From Dave Weckl's Ultimate Play Along Vol.1.


Practice and Warm Up - Sixteenth Notes Feel From Dave Weckl's Ultimate Play Along Vol.1


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i see you have mentioned you would like to keep it under $450 but here's an alternative i could recommend for a little more investment if you would like the results i am including as recording examples:

Behringer Eurorack UB 1204fx PRO Mixer - approx. $150
M-Audio Fast Track Pro USB - approx. $200 (you could look for a different model from M-Audio as there are cheaper model with closer performance available in their product line like the Fast Track MKII for approx $120)
SAMSON 8KIT Drum Mic Set - approx. $350 (you could look for a smaller kit from SAMSON to reduce the cost)

and as for host software, you could use Renoise.($75) even though it is a tracker, there is a very comprehensive and easy to use sample editor where you could record and edit your output.

So overall you would need $775 for the exact setup that i have used in the examples. I realize that it is nearly twice the budget you had in mind but there is always the possibility to go with used stuff or downsizing the the mic set or the mixer you have etc. just need to have a look around the internet and look for cheaper alternatives if your budget is strictly limited to $450.

Here are some examples all recorded on the go with no editing whatsoever in a very excited (i mean empty like a barrel when i say that) room with no sound treatment at all so i am sure you would have much better results in your own studio and with your own drumset.


Drum Cover - The Steeldrivers - Blue Side Of The Mountain


Play Along - Straight Eights From Dave Weckl's Ultimate Play Along Vol.1.


Practice and Warm Up - Sixteenth Notes Feel From Dave Weckl's Ultimate Play Along Vol.1


cheers.

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Yes I will work hard to make some extra cash and try and get it as close to 750$ as possible.
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OK. It sounds like your computer probably won't be able to do what you expect it to do.

Here's a thread I started long ago on how I was recording my stuff to put up on YouTube. It doesn't involve a computer at all for the recording part. Perhaps it will help you:

http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69369

I do use the computer to sync the audio with the video and then to upload to YouTube, but that's about it. The computer doesn't work that hard to do that, so chances are your old 7-year computer can handle that.

An even simpler thing would be to get yourself the Zoom Q3HD ($300) and just put it up, point the camera, and go.
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OK. It sounds like your computer probably won't be able to do what you expect it to do.

Here's a thread I started long ago on how I was recording my stuff to put up on YouTube. It doesn't involve a computer at all for the recording part. Perhaps it will help you:

http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69369

I do use the computer to sync the audio with the video and then to upload to YouTube, but that's about it. The computer doesn't work that hard to do that, so chances are your old 7-year computer can handle that.

An even simpler thing would be to get yourself the Zoom Q3HD ($300) and just put it up, point the camera, and go.
yep well, sorry i kinda missed the part about the computer but if it is not very old, i think it should always be able to record the output from the mixer.

or scratch the computer part (and your sound interface option which would save an extra 200 bucks as you no longer would need it if you're not going to use a computer) and try to directly connect your mixer's output to your camera while recording.

my camera is somehow an old one and doesn't have a line in, so that's why i record into the my computer and dub the audio track to the video and remove the acoustic sound that is being picked up by the built in camera mic which also has a pretty decent recording quality i have to say but i somehow need to mix the drum part with the track i am playing along to anyway.

i am using that because i also do record with electronic drums at home so i need a decent sound interface after all. so in a way it pays off for me. :)

zoom is also a very good option within the budget range specified of course and certainly wouldn't give you the hassle of multitrack recording.

oh thanks Joey182 by the way. i am glad you liked the sound in the video samples.

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OK. It sounds like your computer probably won't be able to do what you expect it to do.

Here's a thread I started long ago on how I was recording my stuff to put up on YouTube. It doesn't involve a computer at all for the recording part. Perhaps it will help you:

http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69369

I do use the computer to sync the audio with the video and then to upload to YouTube, but that's about it. The computer doesn't work that hard to do that, so chances are your old 7-year computer can handle that.

An even simpler thing would be to get yourself the Zoom Q3HD ($300) and just put it up, point the camera, and go.
Does the Q3HD have a Mic input?
If so, I will go with that, and save some money!
I was thinking of getting a Mic for the Q3HD if it has an input, what would you recommend?
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The Q3HD has a LINE IN jack, which if it's anything like what they put on their standard flash recorders (I have the H2), it should survive the incoming signal from a mixing console's headphone output. However, the Q3HD (as well as the regular Q3) has a killer stereo mic built in.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rnmXzxUAY8

This is my use of the Zoom Q3 (non-HD) camcorder. I just positioned it in front of the kit and went for it. It sounds great. Before the Q3, you had to have a pro camcorder with a pro mic costing thousands. I bought my regular Q3 for $175. You will be very happy with the Q3HD.
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The Q3HD has a LINE IN jack, which if it's anything like what they put on their standard flash recorders (I have the H2), it should survive the incoming signal from a mixing console's headphone output. However, the Q3HD (as well as the regular Q3) has a killer stereo mic built in.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rnmXzxUAY8

This is my use of the Zoom Q3 (non-HD) camcorder. I just positioned it in front of the kit and went for it. It sounds great. Before the Q3, you had to have a pro camcorder with a pro mic costing thousands. I bought my regular Q3 for $175. You will be very happy with the Q3HD.
What does the Q3HD come with? Any editing software?
I also heard that it runs on AA batteries not a charger. Is that true?
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What does the Q3HD come with? Any editing software?
I also heard that it runs on AA batteries not a charger. Is that true?
Mine (so I'll assume both) came with some simple software on the card. What it enabled me to do was to edit out parts I didn't want (like the time it took to hit RECORD then run behind the drums). It also gives you the software to upload it directly from the camera to YouTube. So if your computer is connected to the internet, you can upload as soon as you're done.

And don't think running on AA's is a bad thing. AA batteries are cheap and can easily be gotten should you need power in a pinch and it's not so hard to carry extra ones with you. My Kodak Zi8 takes these rechargeable proprietary batteries which means a spare will cost me $29 and over time the constant charging eventually kills them, so then I'm always spending $29! On my pro digital SLR camera I use for my photography, those batteries cost me $100 each - and I have four! I'm so done with everything running off of batteries these days. A camcorder that runs on AA's is like a breath of fresh air!
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Mine (so I'll assume both) came with some simple software on the card. What it enabled me to do was to edit out parts I didn't want (like the time it took to hit RECORD then run behind the drums). It also gives you the software to upload it directly from the camera to YouTube. So if your computer is connected to the internet, you can upload as soon as you're done.

And don't think running on AA's is a bad thing. AA batteries are cheap and can easily be gotten should you need power in a pinch and it's not so hard to carry extra ones with you. My Kodak Zi8 takes these rechargeable proprietary batteries which means a spare will cost me $29 and over time the constant charging eventually kills them, so then I'm always spending $29! On my pro digital SLR camera I use for my photography, those batteries cost me $100 each - and I have four! I'm so done with everything running off of batteries these days. A camcorder that runs on AA's is like a breath of fresh air!
I want to know if you've ever synced music to your playing using the Q3HD? If so, is it easy? Is the software easy to use?
HAHA The batteries are expensive for some things, Luckily I have bin literally full of batteries and half of them are AA's.
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