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Old 03-26-2011, 02:47 AM
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Thanks for posting GD. You've got a pretty big cop voice on you there.

My only question is if this can bend the hoop by detuning one lug at a time? How do the other lugs just distribute the tension. Also is it a pain to tune the drum if tension is so spread around like that?
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The hoop stays perfectly level because of the springs on the bottom rim. You can still turn each lug if you wish but it,s just as easy to turn one to retune it in a hurry. Gary should be able to explain it better than I can since it's his design. The important thing is that evn if you use the tradition tuning method you won't have to spend time with drum-ometers or your ear to get each lug like the ones next to it. Gary is on a little business trip and when he gets back I'm sure he will comment on my video.
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Old 03-26-2011, 08:19 AM
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Gary, I'm glad to hear you've found an investor. I hope this one lasts long enough to get Wac'd Drums up and running as a viable business.

I'm one of the lucky forum members who has a set of lugs on the way. I am a big fan of free floating drums and own a free floating drum kit and a couple of free floating snares - the one in my avatar and a brass one. I like the simplicity of the Wac'd design and look forward to testing it. All going well I will post a full review by May.

Gruntersdad, thanks for the youtube clip.
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Thanks for that excellent video John. A very good demo of one of the significant benefits of Gary's system. I've appreciated Gary's design from the start. It scores in a number of key areas, not only as a superb piece of drum design innovation, but as a business platform too.

Just as with any drum design, it's not going to appeal to every player, but that doesn't mean it won't have a solid place in the market. Let's just take the snare application in isolation. Even if you don't subscribe to the sonic benefits of the free floating principal, just the ability to rapidly change sound from number to number is pretty unique in itself.

I think Gary's design will have a very strong presence in the retrofit & self build market. Beyond that, it depends how much of a complete product solution Gary wants to offer. Just imagine, you want to build your own snare. You buy Gary's lug system, your shell of choice, two hoops, a strainer & butt, & away you go. That's a very personal to you custom snare built in an afternoon.

Then there's the "easytune" angle (get that registered Gary!). How many threads do you see with questions about tuning, especially from those starting on their drumming journey. I'm pleased to see that Gary has the intellectual property side sorted, as I believe the "easytune" feature could be of significant mass market interest. Be prepared to think outside the box on the intellectual property management Gary. A limited application deal with a major player could yeild a useful investement return, offer huge advertising by default, yet protect & realize your idea of an "all American" original product offering from Wac'd drums.
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If I were building a custom set, I'd be very interested in a set of those lugs. I like the idea and I LOVE the simplicity of the design. They actually look great as well as serving a purpose.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:17 PM
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I like the idea and I LOVE the simplicity of the design. They actually look great as well as serving a purpose.
& that's it right there MFB. Handled correctly, I'm predicting some good stuff coming Gary's way, & I have quite a bit of experience of bringing concepts to market.

My current project is polar opposite to Gary's model. A complicated build with multiple innovations/risks & bespoke everything, but it's designed to appeal to a very specialist sector, & ultimately designed around my requirements. Absolutely the wrong way to go about developing a business, but that's not my primary intention.
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I hope all success to both of you. It's a very hard sector to make any kind of capital from, but if you're ultimately designing for yourself then at least some of the satisfaction will hopefully come from pride in your work. I do hope that new design concepts break through to the mainstream though, I think there's a lot of improvements to be made to drum hardware in general - it's such a conservative market.
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I hope all success to both of you. It's a very hard sector to make any kind of capital from, but if you're ultimately designing for yourself then at least some of the satisfaction will hopefully come from pride in your work. I do hope that new design concepts break through to the mainstream though, I think there's a lot of improvements to be made to drum hardware in general - it's such a conservative market.
Thanks MFB, & you're so right, concervative with a big "C".

I'm just building a very out there design for my own purposes. It may work, but it may fail miserably. That said, we've uncovered a lot of pretty unique approaches along the way. Even if the kit design fails, there's a lot of value in some of the elements.

Gary's deal is totally different. A simple, yet wonderfully conceived idea that's absolutely ripe for a business platform with multiple mass market appeal angles. He's on to a winner IMO. but, as always, business choices & a bucket of luck with dictate the outcome. I'm crossing my fingers for him!
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Me too, I really hope it works out because I would love to see this design in the mainstream.

With terms of inherent conservatism, I think it's probably true in the majority of instruments. Electric guitars have barely changed since the invention of the Telecaster and you could say the same about the 'fundamentals' of the kit since about 1960. I'm not adverse to change either, I really like useful innovations like this lug design.

With that said, I'm actually not a big fan of suspension mounting. I just don't really see the benefit on ply shells. I've owned a few kits - none of which have had suspension mounting - and I've played kits with suspension mounting and I really don't think that it makes that much difference. All the hype that surrounds them should be replaced with innovation in drum head design and shell manufacturing methods, they are much bigger factors with regard to overall sound. Combine that with better tuning methods and you have what I perceive as real benefit. That's why I'm absolutely in favour of these lugs, because they aid tuning - which I see as the most important factor in sound.

If drum manufacturers regularly offered solid shells and stave designs, I would be willing to reconsider my position on suspension mounting, but I think that innovation in ply shells should be focussed elsewhere.
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Me too, I really hope it works out because I would love to see this design in the mainstream.

With terms of inherent conservatism, I think it's probably true in the majority of instruments. Electric guitars have barely changed since the invention of the Telecaster and you could say the same about the 'fundamentals' of the kit since about 1960. I'm not adverse to change either, I really like useful innovations like this lug design.

With that said, I'm actually not a big fan of suspension mounting. I just don't really see the benefit on ply shells. I've owned a few kits - none of which have had suspension mounting - and I've played kits with suspension mounting and I really don't think that it makes that much difference. All the hype that surrounds them should be replaced with innovation in drum head design and shell manufacturing methods, they are much bigger factors with regard to overall sound. Combine that with better tuning methods and you have what I perceive as real benefit. That's why I'm absolutely in favour of these lugs, because they aid tuning - which I see as the most important factor in sound.

If drum manufacturers regularly offered solid shells and stave designs, I would be willing to reconsider my position on suspension mounting, but I think that innovation in ply shells should be focussed elsewhere.
I agree with almost everything you said, but I do appreciate the difference a well designed suspension mounting makes to a thin ply shell when coupled with low mass lugs, appropriate bearing edges, unmuffled heads & tuning that's sympathetic to the sonic benefits. On thicker shells with heavy lugs & muffled heads, it's a waste of time.
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I agree with almost everything you said, but I do appreciate the difference a well designed suspension mounting makes to a thin ply shell when coupled with low mass lugs, appropriate bearing edges, unmuffled heads & tuning that's sympathetic to the sonic benefits. On thicker shells with heavy lugs & muffled heads, it's a waste of time.
More or less exactly my point. There are so many other factors to take into account that the importance of suspension is massively overstated. Gary's lug design, however, could wield easily defined, real-World benefits.

Incidentally, one set of Grandparents live around your neck of the woods. Orcop, to be precise.
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I used the lugs to convert the 8 lug wood snare from my Sonor Safari kit to a 10 lug snare.
Gary's lugs work great!
They improved that drum immensely!
His product installed with ease and it improved my drum.
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Another advantage to using the lugs aside from making an 8 lug into a 10 lug.
If I ever decide to sell the snare, I can put the drum back the way that it was when new and I can use the lugs on another shell.
I saved the original hardware.
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I used the lugs to convert the 8 lug wood snare from my Sonor Safari kit to a 10 lug snare.
Gary's lugs work great!
They improved that drum immensely!
His product installed with ease and it improved my drum.
Says it all Bob, & there's a ton of players out there who'd get the same benefit for relatively little outlay.

BTW MFB, Orcop's about 15 miles from where I live. I'm out towards Hay on Wye. In fact, you can probably see my hill from Orcop, as Orcop's quite elevated itself. I'm on the top of the foothills just before Hay bluff. That's the big table top mountain ridge that dominates the view from Orcop hill.
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Says it all Bob, & there's a ton of players out there who'd get the same benefit for relatively little outlay.

BTW MFB, Orcop's about 15 miles from where I live. I'm out towards Hay on Wye. In fact, you can probably see my hill from Orcop, as Orcop's quite elevated itself. I'm on the top of the foothills just before Hay bluff. That's the big table top mountain ridge that dominates the view from Orcop hill.
That's the one. If I'm right, the view of that ridge is one of my earliest memories.
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One of the more difficult things to do without proper tools and skills is drilling all of the necessary holes in a brand new shell to mount 10 to 20 lugs, a strainer, and butt for the strainer, and with these lugs or the entire concept where the strainer attaches to the Wac'd lugs, that drilling will not be needed. You will need a shell with bearing edges and and snare beds and that is all. When I built my snare I had all of this done for me, but imagine how clean the shell will remain without all of the holes. If there is only one reason for these lugs to work in my mind it is for Gary's enthusiasm. When he was showing me the prototype for the bass cradle and the tom mounts it was great. This is a very viable concept and I only wish him the best as I'm sure we all do.
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Says it all Bob, & there's a ton of players out there who'd get the same benefit for relatively little outlay.
I don't know the retail price of Gary's lugs.
I had to spend about $30 on 10 hole Hoops and I also bought a different type of throw off that I can keep mounted to the supplied bracket that came with the lugs.
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I had to spend about $30 on 10 hole Hoops and I also bought a different type of throw off that I can keep mounted to the supplied bracket that came with the lugs.
I don't think this should be touted as a 'cheaper' solution. It's a fairly premium solution as a retrofit and I wouldn't expect pricing to be particularly low - however, as an OEM solution, it really could prove to be cheaper for manufacturers. No drilling, fewer hardware parts and the benefits in labour that go along with that. Add in that manufacturers could then charge a little more for a 'new' design and you have a potentially increased profit margin if it is adopted.
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Wow! I am speechless! I've just gone through some of the post that have been posted in the last couple of days and I am floored at the support from everyone!

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John thank you for doing what I should be doing and putting up the video!

Bob, Thank you for your input and being satisfied with the product. I know that once you get the time we will chat more about them. Also if you get around to a pic to post that would great too!

Andy, What can I say ! Thanks for being here and keeping me grounded and going in the right direction.

Harry, Can't wait to get your results!

MFB , Thanks for taking the time to look and listen about the product. Your questions help me immensely as I prepare to get this thing rockin !

Red, We found that even though it seems like you are putting a bunch of torque on the lugs and hoop , you would be surprised as to how easily you can still move the stop. The drummer that is road testing the lugs has tried triple flange , wood , and diecast hoops and has not had any sort of deflection in any of the hoops. Also keep in mind that Grunter was just showing how easy it is to change the sound with one lug. You could also acheive the same results by splitting the three turns he did in the video to 1 1/2 turns on two opposing tension rods.

I most like will be away for the next week or so as I try and get things nailed down with the new partner/ machineshop but I will check back when I can or feel free to hit me up on facebook as I have been spending lots of time on there.

I will certainly come up with some sort of special deal for those on this board that want to give them a go , I just gotta get some things obviously squared away first.

Oh , just incase you don't get to my facebook page , here are a couple of prototype pics of the Bass Station (and another $3100 patent started, wonder why I have no money ,sheesh! ) and the tom holder.

Again thanks for all your support !

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Gary, you know I'm a fan, but I have to be honest, I'm not liking the tom holder design. Although your lugs will behave differently to standard stuff, I never subscribe to it being a good idea to hang off lugs on one side of a drum. It promotes an uneven deflection of the hoop & associated lugs, & I believe that offers the potential of a sustain sink. I prefer mounts that allow the drum to sit evenly supported over greater than 180 degrees of the diameter, rather than loading up one side of the drum.

Like I said earlier, you can never please everyone, & I'm just an irrelevant design anal spec on the drumming landscape. It looks good, & probably works just fine on anything but thin shelled drums, so the vast majority of customers will be more than happy.
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Gary, you know I'm a fan, but I have to be honest, I'm not liking the tom holder design. Although your lugs will behave differently to standard stuff, I never subscribe to it being a good idea to hang off lugs on one side of a drum. It promotes an uneven deflection of the hoop & associated lugs, & I believe that offers the potential of a sustain sink. I prefer mounts that allow the drum to sit evenly supported over greater than 180 degrees of the diameter, rather than loading up one side of the drum.

Like I said earlier, you can never please everyone, & I'm just an irrelevant design anal spec on the drumming landscape. It looks good, & probably works just fine on anything but thin shelled drums, so the vast majority of customers will be more than happy.
No problem Andy , Just remember that this is the prototype so you know changes will be made. But surprisingly they work great! One of the things we noticed with all of the other suspension mounts , is that while you are hitting the drum if you pick up the front of the drum the tone changes and in most cases the drum goes flat. It doesn't happen with these for some odd reason. I believe that it has to do with the mount floating with the lugs and no pressure being put on the shell.
I really need to get on the ball with the videos so you can hear the differences.
Keep me on my toes!

edit - re-read your post and yes one of the things we've been talking about is extending further around to additional lugs for support. Also unlike Gauger mounts we won't be letting the rubber bushing use the hoop as the stop point. I know the pic shows it this way but that is going to change. So yes I completely understand where your coming from now.
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Great stuff Gary. Keep the minimalist and functional vibe to your work, it could really become a 'signature' of your hardware if it takes off.
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edit - re-read your post and yes one of the things we've been talking about is extending further around to additional lugs for support. Also unlike Gauger mounts we won't be letting the rubber bushing use the hoop as the stop point. I know the pic shows it this way but that is going to change. So yes I completely understand where your coming from now.
Yes, that's what I was trying to get across. Keeping everything off the hoop is a good thing too.

Agree with MFB, keep it simple (ahem) & clean.
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Good News! I have verbally gotten a "lets do this" investor today! We still have to get the agreements in writing but I am very excited!

Sean runs a very top notch machine shop in Precision Axis here in town so this is a match made in heaven. You can be assured that everything will be the best it can be under his guidance.

Also this past weekend, out in the "lab" I came up with a second design for the tom holder that is loosely related to a Gauger mount but works with the Wac'd lugs and changes the way it mounts on the tom.

With my version, I do not rely on hoop as the stop point for the "cage" . the mount does not go past the top of the lug. This makes for a much sturdier mount. This is only the prototype , but this is what I envision for the mounts.

Thank you for all your support! Hopefully it won't be much longer before they will be to market.
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Congrats Gary. I want to buy the first 100 shares of stock. The tom mount looks good. See you on the 11th.
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So is the tom mount clamped using that bolt on the back of the mount? That seems a little inconvenient for a quick setup.

It seems that you'd be limited to a certain amount of lugs with that mount. Also would you have to go with shorter lugs for the ones that connect to the mount?

...I don't suppose you need any more product testers. I'm here on the dry ol' midwest and could give you a good idea of how your product functions in hot, dry conditions...yea that's good, call it "atmospheric R&D".
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The lugs as you can see are all the same length and go through the mount with rubber grommets above and below. For different sized drums, the arc would be different degrees and the holes drilled to match. It is just too simple.
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So is the tom mount clamped using that bolt on the back of the mount? That seems a little inconvenient for a quick setup.

It seems that you'd be limited to a certain amount of lugs with that mount. Also would you have to go with shorter lugs for the ones that connect to the mount?

...I don't suppose you need any more product testers. I'm here on the dry ol' midwest and could give you a good idea of how your product functions in hot, dry conditions...yea that's good, call it "atmospheric R&D".
R.M. If your refering to the acorn nut then no. That is on there to prevent one from backing out the round handle to far. To tighten it down you grab the big round knob. It is much easier and more comfortable than any wing nut made. I don't have a knurler to knurl a grip on the the outer perimeter of the knob for extra grip but it will be done. remember that this is just the prototype so I'm sure changes will be made , especially once I sit down with Sean.

To answer your second question right know I have to play a guessing game as to what I feel will sell so for right now I am thinking that the standard number count of 6 lugs on a 10" 12"&13" tom would be a better seller out of the gate. We can always slot it if there is a demand, that way you could add or remove lugs. Also until I make or find a hoop with more than 6 holes it doesn't make sense. That is unless you want go with a single flang hoop with clips. Thats not to say we won't make changes or improve upon though !
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The lugs as you can see are all the same length and go through the mount with rubber grommets above and below. For different sized drums, the arc would be different degrees and the holes drilled to match. It is just too simple.
Thanks G.D. . And yep , we"ll see you the 11th ! Should be good from what I hear!
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To answer your second question right know I have to play a guessing game as to what I feel will sell so for right now I am thinking that the standard number count of 6 lugs on a 10" 12"&13" tom would be a better seller out of the gate. We can always slot it if there is a demand, that way you could add or remove lugs. Also until I make or find a hoop with more than 6 holes it doesn't make sense. That is unless you want go with a single flang hoop with clips. Thats not to say we won't make changes or improve upon though !
Ah, Acorn nut! Another new term! Also I just re-read my post and realized that I put myself in the MID-west. No, I'm in the SOUTH-west boys and girls, that's why we study Geography. I must just have Nascar and strawberry pie on the brain or something...mmm...pie

So to further pick your brain on this matter I was wondering how you'd mount legs onto a FT. There's a picture of a FT with your lugs somewhere art the beginning of the thread, it looks like you went with standard FT legs on there. Do you have plans for a Gwack-esque mounting system for floor toms?
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Well the old mind was back at work again , and I came up with another idea that was spawned off of a post made by Larry.

I've already done a mock up but I also wanted to throw this out at you guys to see if its worth pursuing.

Larry's comment was about making a slotted hoop. so I sat down and worked out a hoop that will accommodate using 6/8/10 or 12 lugs of my lugs.

It will closely resemble a cast hoop but instead of the typical "ears" where the tension rod goes thru , it would have a consistant perimeter without the ears.

The next step will to be figure out an adjustable strainer and butt plate should you all feel that the hoop is worth pursuing.

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Here are some pics as promised of my Sonor Safari snare with the lugs.
I converted the drum from 8 to 10 lugs with the kit.
The snare is sounding real good now.
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Well the old mind was back at work again , and I came up with another idea that was spawned off of a post made by Larry.

I've already done a mock up but I also wanted to throw this out at you guys to see if its worth pursuing.

Larry's comment was about making a slotted hoop. so I sat down and worked out a hoop that will accommodate using 6/8/10 or 12 lugs of my lugs.

It will closely resemble a cast hoop but instead of the typical "ears" where the tension rod goes thru , it would have a consistant perimeter without the ears.

The next step will to be figure out an adjustable strainer and butt plate should you all feel that the hoop is worth pursuing.

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How strong will it be for us who like to really crank our snares. The slot won't bend or give to the tension?
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Well the old mind was back at work again , and I came up with another idea that was spawned off of a post made by Larry.

I've already done a mock up but I also wanted to throw this out at you guys to see if its worth pursuing.

Larry's comment was about making a slotted hoop. so I sat down and worked out a hoop that will accommodate using 6/8/10 or 12 lugs of my lugs.

It will closely resemble a cast hoop but instead of the typical "ears" where the tension rod goes thru , it would have a consistant perimeter without the ears.

The next step will to be figure out an adjustable strainer and butt plate should you all feel that the hoop is worth pursuing.

Thanks
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That was my thought when I first saw the current model. Sounds like a great idea - provided the metal is strong enough to hold the tension with less mass in the mounting.
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[quote=GRUNTERSDAD;826110]How strong will it be for us who like to really crank our snares. The slot won't bend or give to the tension?[quote] G.D. , I've seen you "crank" down on a head , you have nothing to worry about ! J/K, J.K......

If your going to the clinic tomorrow I will have the mock up with me and pick your brain a little.

As far as strength goes I'm not so worried about bending as I am breaking. T6061 is a pretty brittle type of aluminum so I would think it will break before it bends, but it is very strong. What will be interesting will be the type of sound the drum produces with these hoops. I know that aluminum hoops have been tried in the past but I think with todays technologies and advances made in metallurgy I think they can have a place. I'm guessing the sound will fall somewhere in between diecast and wood. Ya I know , thats quite a large range but I just don't think I can use older aluminum hoops as an acurate gauge. I will keep you informed of course as this goes along.

On a lighter note , I was approached yesterday by a writer for a local internet/paper about them doing a story on Wac'd Drums and the ideas I have been coming up with.
I did the interview today and had a blast! It helped that the story writer is a drummer so he got all of the concepts and what they accomplish.
And as luck would have it he also does quite abit of video production, so after we got done with the interview we made an agreement for him to do some product videos.
I don't know when or even if it will get published but if it does I'll be sure to post it here as I brought up all the help and support you all have given me here on Drummerworld.
Bernhard was kind enough to let me throw the site out there so I really hope it does make it in there, Thanks Bernhard!
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Bob , Thanks for posting the pics! It looks great and I'm glad for the improvement in sound . Looking forward to hearing some long term results.
MFB , Thanks , sometimes it just takes awhile for something click in my brain!
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I will see you tomorrow at the clinic and I want to be able to say, "I knew Gary when he was still getting his hands dirty."
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Good to see you again last night John!

As I had mentioned a couple of days ago I had an interview with a local paper.

Here is the article as written. Unfortunatly do to a word limitation the writer could not include everyone and everything. I still don't know when or even if it will run .



Local Inventor’s Wac’d Ideas Could Make Holes Obsolete
If you take the time to remove all of the lugs and mounting hardware from your drums you would find that what you are left with resembles something more akin to Swiss Cheese than a fine percussion instrument. All of those holes reduce the resonance and detract from the overall appearance of your drums. This is what Gary Wachowiak was thinking as he was refinishing his daughter’s drum set and cringed at the thought of having to go back and drill holes in the nice veneer finish that he had just applied to the shells. A natural Tinkerer at heart, Gary’s mind began to race with ideas that would eliminate the need to drill holes, and instantly the Wac’d Drum Company was born.
After a lot of hard work, research, and development, Gary’s newly formed company is about to release a new floating head system that is held to the drum by only the top and bottom heads. Even the mounting brackets that attach the drums to a cage or stand are held on by the tension rods themselves. The new drums are free from annoying overtones and produce a wide dynamic range of tuning options. In a recent demonstration, Gary was able to tune his standard 12 inch drum to start out with a deep tone like that of a 16 inch drum and then increased the tension until it had the same pitch as a well tuned 8 inch drum.
Gary’s innovations do not stop there. His continued quest to ensure the elimination of holes prompted him to design a bass drum cradle that holds up the drum by fastening to the lugs. With the floating heads and no need for mounted legs, the bass drum will have a completely intact shell to resonate pure tone and room beneath the drum to allow the tone to develop more fully. The cradle even includes an adjustable arm to hold a slave pedal in place. Gary promises to continue introducing new ideas as the patents clear.
Wac’d Drum Company is looking forward to putting their first products on the market sometime this year. In the mean time, more information can be found about this local company via the internet through Drummerworld.com forums and by searching for Wac’d Drums on Facebook.
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In the mean time, more information can be found about this local company via the internet through Drummerworld.com forums and by searching for Wac’d Drums on Facebook.
Now you just have to throw some pretty pictures up on the Facebook page.

Quick question for all that have tried these lugs, what do you use to plug the holes on the drums getting the Gwaco treatment? I recently took the tom mount off my rack tom and exchanged it for a snare stand. Now I don't know what do with these unsightly holes...
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