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Old 09-22-2010, 05:10 PM
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Default Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

The drums are loud, sometimes are much too loud. You can't hear the music to play along, you damage your ears , your family and neighbours are unhappy.

Neighbours problems can be fixed by extensive and expensive sound proofing of the room.
What I couldn't find are any good topics or reviews on the subject of the the "quiet" sticks or playing techniques to keep it well under 100Db.

So far these two companies are claiming that they have solved the problem:
Flix Sticks: http://www.flixproducts.com/
Ultra Tones: http://lidwishsoulutions.com/

Has anyone tried them yet, separate or side by side and can share his thoughts?
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Old 09-22-2010, 06:50 PM
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The Lidwish sticks look interesting, I ordered a pair and will report back.

Keep in mind that 'sticks' like the Flix and Hot Rods change the sound, they aren't just a volume reducer. The Flix does have a flexible plastic stick surrounded by plastic rods, but it's not really a true stick sound. None of them actually play or sound like sticks do, so while the volume may be lower, the drums will also sound different.

What I do when I need to play quietly is to use thinner sticks. The Vic Firth AJ5 is thin, but it's also a long stick, so I get a good feel. I select different cymbals to help reduce their volume, and adjust my playing style somewhat, without sacrifing too much energy. I may also bring specific drums and tune them a little lower so they don't have as much attack (which is perceived as volume.)

Don't forget, in order to reduce drum volume, typically, we have to adjust the way we play and that may sacrifice feel, steadiness, speed, and of course the drum sound. By modifying the sticks, cymbals and drums, we can play more naturally and retain more of the drum sound.

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Old 09-23-2010, 11:56 PM
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I shipped out the sticks to Bermuda (the Version 2.0) and feel comfortable with the claims made on my website at http://lidwishsoulutions.com

The Classic Sticks are more for those extreme-gotta-be-quiet-or-die situations with landlords, neighbors, family in small quarters, and impending ear drum damage. Those are the quietest, and the Version 2.0 are still way under 100 db and is good for small gigs, band practice without blowing your bandmates out and churches, worship services, etc., There is a recent review on our facebook page "quiet drum sticks" from our very first customer, who is still using the first pair we sold over two years ago, so they don't wear out or break easily. Check out my website, read the comments and testimonials, ask questions, or join me on facebook! Aloha!
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Old 09-27-2010, 06:47 PM
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I'd go with the lidwish version 1. The Hot Rods never worked for me. The lidwish is little bouncy but still feels more like a drumstick. But they work for me. I use them when my band plays acoustic.
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Old 09-27-2010, 08:40 PM
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I'd go with the lidwish version 1. The Hot Rods never worked for me. The lidwish is little bouncy but still feels more like a drumstick. But they work for me. I use them when my band plays acoustic.
Both stick versions increase and decrease your sound dynamic in an instant while maintaining whatever tempo you're playing at. This unique feature makes ultra-tones truly one of a kind. The Version 2.0 sticks are less flexy, stiffer, and the volume is drummer dependent.
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Old 09-28-2010, 04:03 AM
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Learn to play quiet..use smaller thinner sticks...it takes a lot of control to play quiet. Practice playing work at making the Hi-Hat the loudness instrument on your set. count out loud so that your playing is the same volume as your kit! Denis
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:18 AM
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The Lidwish sticks look interesting, I ordered a pair and will report back.
Thanks! I'll be waiting for the report.


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I shipped out the sticks to Bermuda (the Version 2.0) and feel comfortable with the claims made on my website at http://lidwishsoulutions.com
Hi! I've looked trhough the reviews on your website. They do look good. I was just surprised
that nobody have reviewd them in details here or on any other drum forums, which would be less biased overall.

In any case a have a set of 7As on hands and flix stiks in the mail. I'll do a comparison on them as soon as they arrive. And maybe will put a trigger on ultra tones as well.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

Another demo of the Version 2.0 Ultra-Tones - Matt Poynter of Gates of Eden.
http://youtu.be/WTZ-sOSuBi4
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Old 10-05-2010, 02:43 AM
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Thanks! I'll be waiting for the report.



Hi! I've looked trhough the reviews on your website. They do look good. I was just surprised
that nobody have reviewd them in details here or on any other drum forums, which would be less biased overall.

In any case a have a set of 7As on hands and flix stiks in the mail. I'll do a comparison on them as soon as they arrive. And maybe will put a trigger on ultra tones as well.
http://www.freedrumlessons.com/drum-...3&#entry164683

There was some recent discussion here on freedrumlessons. Several forums have mentioned the sticks.
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Old 10-05-2010, 04:06 PM
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Another demo of the Version 2.0 Ultra-Tones - Matt Poynter of Gates of Eden.
http://youtu.be/WTZ-sOSuBi4
It is a good advertisement :)
But what can you tell about my original question: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As? What would be the pros and cons?
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Old 10-06-2010, 08:06 PM
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It is a good advertisement :)
But what can you tell about my original question: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As? What would be the pros and cons?
I cannot give you the comparison information on the flix sticks or the 7A's - just my own sticks. I make the liswish soulutions Classics and the Version 2.0 - and the kick beaters. I think Bermuda will be doing the comparison between the "quiet" models.
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Old 10-12-2010, 03:07 AM
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In any case a have a set of 7As on hands and flix stiks in the mail. I'll do a comparison on them as soon as they arrive. And maybe will put a trigger on ultra tones as well.
Here we go. You have to excuse my timing and grip. :-}

Flix sticks and Moongel review:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNWGIoHUFhQ
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Old 10-12-2010, 04:52 AM
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I picked up a pair of Flix Tips this weekend and used them at church on Sunday. I had been using Regal Tip Blasticks but was unhappy with the cymbal sound I was getting. The Flix Tips help out a lot with that issue. That's the first time I was able to use the acoustic kit (they also have a Roland kit) and not feel as if I were overpowering everything. I am very curious about the Ludwish product. I'll definitely be checking them out.
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:42 AM
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Now that Bermuda has returned from his most recent engagement, I am hoping he has the chance review the Lidwishsoulutions Ultra-Tones - While the plastic multi-rods you had video of are probably effective for a number of applications, mine are designed specifically for low volume required situations, while maintaining drum note integrity, rebound and are true drumsticks and made in the USA.

The reviews on our website pretty much spell out our customer experience, and if they get someone back on their acoustic drum kit after a decade, doesn't scare the cats in their home, keeps domestic tranquility and enables practice and play for band practice, church and worship services, recording and live play - I've done my job. I invented them because it was exactly what I needed to keep my landlord happy. That was over 2 years ago, and I've developed several versions. I started making the version 2.0 because the Classics were too quiet, almost "stupid" quiet, but certain situations required the super quiet version.

I hope you have the opportunity to try them and add to your review. I'm always available by email or phone to answer any questions. (unless I'm surfing...then I'll call you back :)

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Old 10-20-2010, 02:52 AM
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I wish I would be closer to Hawaii. I could compare and review them all side by side.. or at least do some surfing [:)]
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:55 AM
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I picked up a pair of Flix Tips this weekend and used them at church on Sunday. That's the first time I was able to use the acoustic kit (they also have a Roland kit) and not feel as if I were overpowering everything.
What type of Flix Tips was that? How did it compare to the normal sticks in rebound/genral feel?
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:19 PM
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I wish I would be closer to Hawaii. I could compare and review them all side by side.. or at least do some surfing [:)]
We ship worldwide, so that shouldn't be a problem. The surfing and weather is one of the benefits of living here, despite the high cost of living. If you are in the islands, on Maui, call me and we can work both out.

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Old 10-20-2010, 10:21 PM
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What type of Flix Tips was that? How did it compare to the normal sticks in rebound/genral feel?
Check out this link http://www.flixproducts.com/productstips.html
All they had at my local drum shop was the light or heavy versions so I went with the heavy one. The light ones were just not substantial enough. The heavy ones apparently only come in "florescent red" but they are actually "hot pink" in color. Whatever. Pink isn't really my favorite color but they did the trick for me. I also got the guy at the local shop here to call and see if he could get some of the Lidwish Ultra-Tones in to the store. I really don't want to throw $30 away just to try them.
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Old 10-24-2010, 03:01 AM
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Check out this link http://www.flixproducts.com/productstips.html
All they had at my local drum shop was the light or heavy versions so I went with the heavy one. The light ones were just not substantial enough. The heavy ones apparently only come in "florescent red" but they are actually "hot pink" in color. Whatever. Pink isn't really my favorite color but they did the trick for me. I also got the guy at the local shop here to call and see if he could get some of the Lidwish Ultra-Tones in to the store. I really don't want to throw $30 away just to try them.
I'm curious why you believe you would be "throwing away" $30 to try them? I
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:33 PM
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I'm curious why you believe you would be "throwing away" $30 to try them? I
Because if they didn't turn out to be what I thought they were, I wouldn't need them and that would would be a waste of $30. Please don't take it as a slam. I am very interested in trying them out. It would just be a lot easier if my local shop stocked them.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:12 PM
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Because if they didn't turn out to be what I thought they were, I wouldn't need them and that would would be a waste of $30. Please don't take it as a slam. I am very interested in trying them out. It would just be a lot easier if my local shop stocked them.
We offer a 30 day, money back guaranty, so that gives you a chance to use them and figure out if they do what we say they do. It even states that there is a 30 day money back guaranty. Where is your local shop?
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Old 10-25-2010, 06:56 PM
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We offer a 30 day, money back guaranty, so that gives you a chance to use them and figure out if they do what we say they do. It even states that there is a 30 day money back guaranty. Where is your local shop?
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I have been using the Tala Wand, I love them, to be more accurate I have been useing the Headhunter version which used mahoganey instea of bamboo. Either way they do an outstanding job, only downside is that they sound so good that I tend to use them with the same force I would use with a stick and that shortens their lifespan considerably, but boy they sound great and have a wonderful bounce. I am now very interested in these Lidwaish, both versions. I guess they are sold exclusively over the internet?

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I have been using the Tala Wand, I love them, to be more accurate I have been useing the Headhunter version which used mahoganey instea of bamboo. Either way they do an outstanding job, only downside is that they sound so good that I tend to use them with the same force I would use with a stick and that shortens their lifespan considerably, but boy they sound great and have a wonderful bounce. I am now very interested in these Lidwaish, both versions. I guess they are sold exclusively over the internet?
Yes, and in a few select stores but we have the newest versions online. We're expanding cautiously to dealers. I make it a point to answer customer questions personally, and not every dealer has the same time to devote to that. We make every sale personal and I answer calls myself.

I hope you get the chance to try the lidwish soulutions sticks and kick beater and try for yourself. My number is on the web page if there are questions, and of course our email, facebook and forums.

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Old 11-27-2010, 10:40 PM
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Just received a pair of Ver 2.0's in the mail today. Got 'em for my son that plays like Lars...even in Church/Worship settings. They're for Christmas so, they got put away....but not before dad played with 'em a bit. They feel like a stick, they sound like a stick...a quiet stick...and they appear to be everything they were promised to be.

I gotta email from Lazaro when I ordered, gotta email from Lazaro when they shipped. Shipped the day before Thanksgiving, got here Saturday.....Hawaii to Georgia in 4 days, with a holiday in the middle.

The verdict will have to wait until after Christmas but, I am well pleased with the service, the purchase, and the product so far.

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Old 11-28-2010, 02:54 AM
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hey guys, I use a number of models from the flix lines.

I have the jazz, rock, heavy rock( or something like that) basically the red, light and dark blue ones.


They certainly bring the volume down- but it deffinately is not quiet per-se.

They are just a plastic brush, so they still make noise its just not a solid stick sound.

I use them because of their durability- I was destroying those wooden rod things.

These get me a good few months of playing instead of maybe 2-3 gigs with the rods
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Old 12-16-2010, 03:31 AM
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Here's some discussion on Drummer Connection - a link, that is.
we don't offer a magic bullet for loud drum play, (it's drummer dependent on intent and technique coupled with the design). If you have any questions, please be sure to call. I'll be available.

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If anyone wants to order our new ***patented*** drum sticks and kick beater, I have reduced the shipping charge for the sets, (or two or more items) to just $5 USD worldwide for the next two days.

I now have my US Patent and am very happy to finally achieve that. The surf's been good, the weather is great and all is great in my corner of the world.
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I have extended our special offer and kept our shipping rates as low as possible for the past month, and now will have to raise the shipping to the normal rates on March 12 - so for right now, if anyone wants to try the Ultra-Tones and our kick beater, on any purchase of $49 USD or more the shipping is still $5 until March 12 - If I could, I would keep the rates this low, but it's financial suicide, (sorta) especially on our international orders.

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Old 03-10-2011, 12:52 AM
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I would like to hear an A/B comparison of these compared to a 7A or 5A stick without any change in mixer levels. With out having these in my hands to compare, this is the only way of getting the information out to the public. My five star shops never heard of these and until they do, I'll have to compare by Internet listening. It sounds to me as they really don't attenuate the sounds of the drums to any great degree, but they do change the sounds of the drums. Good or bad, who knows until we hear the results in a more scientific manner.

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Old 03-28-2011, 05:19 AM
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I recently bought the classics by lidwish solutions. THEY ARE AMAZING!!! I play drums for a small church in a VERY small room with horrible accustics. They are perfect for it. they have great tone! and you can still get whatever sound you want out of the cymbals. its the best thing ever! I even use for practice in my own home in my basement with concrete walls and a low roof. They are so quiet that i can talk to my 5 year old brother while playing and i can hear him just fine! Im a heavy hitter, but i didnt really have to change much in my technique to get them to be so quiet. really you just gotta make sure you actually hit the TIP of the stick on the drum head to get it to be really quiet. If you hit any other part its a little louder, but still its much louder. and using the cymbals is basically the same as a normal wooden stick, but it feels slightly different. I RECOMMENT THESE STICKS TO ANYONE WHO IS CONSIDERING GETTING A PLEX SHIELD. Because the shields dont reduce noise. It channels it somewhere else. SO GET THESE STICKS EVEN IF YOU DONT NEED THEM, BECAUSE YOU WILL LOVE THEM. Thanks Lazaro!
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Old 03-29-2011, 10:00 PM
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I'm glad they are working out for you, The sticks and kick beater do a great job in lowering the volume - if you have any questions, I am always available by phone, email or (now) free skype to skype at lidwish
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The Lidwish sticks look interesting, I ordered a pair and will report back.
Hey bermuda. Did you get the Lidwish sticks yet? I'm VERY curious to hear how they turned out. I'm even more interested in hearing about the beater. My volume problem is with the bass. I've got it stuffed with pillows and a sock around the beater and it still makes a bang. Mute pad falls off, and the velcro doesn't stay on it. So I need a quiet beater. Would love to hear what you say.
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I'm excited to try some of these ultra-tones... Never heard of them before, and I use "hot rods" all the time, but honestly, they had a LOT of downsides. Most shops charge like 20 bucks a pair, and they simply don't last long at all if you're playing them with any intensity at all.
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I'm excited to try some of these ultra-tones... Never heard of them before, and I use "hot rods" all the time, but honestly, they had a LOT of downsides. Most shops charge like 20 bucks a pair, and they simply don't last long at all if you're playing them with any intensity at all.
I bought the Ultra-Tones and the beater. I just got my extra piece of foam for the beater from Lazaro today in fact. That's why I'm here looking for a new video he said he did. They do quiet it down quite a bit. I showed the sticks to my teacher who is also a very successful studio drummer and he was quite impressed with the sticks. However, he did tell me to use normal sticks as much as possible and to use these as "backups". This was pertinent to my playing level. He said he'd feel comfortable using them at a gig because his hands are good for it. But for me, since they are bouncy, he doesn't think I should use them unless I have to.
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Old 06-18-2011, 02:08 AM
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Default Re: Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

My ultra tones came in today. I am very impressed.

I normally use Vic Firth 7AN.
I have a set of Flix light (blue), flix heavy (orange) both with tips. I also have the tala wands (bamboo and birch).

My favorite of the bundle sticks is the tala wands. The Flix give the drums an unnatural sound. Flix has no rebound at all and just feel like a wet noodle.

The Tala wands sound good but break very easily. When broken the foam center flies around like crazy.

I used the Ultra-tones today side by side the 7AN & both Flix's.

WOW!!!!!!!! The Ultra-tones sound amazing. The toms have the same tone as they do with the 7AN without the volume. They have great rebound so your technique doesn't suffer whatsoever.

if you need quieter rehearsals BUY LIDWISH ULTRA-TONE Version 2.0 sticks.

I will be using these for acoustic sets where the drum volume needs to be low.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

Thank you for your review! I love it. You can always write me direct, call or post your questions on my facebook page at quiet drumsticks. The best part of your review is that you tried all the other products designed for more controlled or quieter drum play, and knowing that makes your words have the added weight of experience.
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Old 06-23-2011, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

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ultra tones
Vic Firth 7AN.
Flix light (blue), flix heavy (orange) both with tips.
tala wands (bamboo and birch).
Hey! Can you do us a favor and shoot a quick video with all above?
So far I'm in love with bamboo tala wands - they are very responsive and durable.
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Old 07-15-2011, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

Just posting to say I bought a pair of the Ultra-Tones v and a pair of beaters too, double-muffled, to play in my apartment. Gonna take a while (I live in Brasil), but when they arrive I'll let you guys know my thoughts.
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Old 09-29-2011, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: Quiet drumming: Flix Sticks vs Lidwish Ultra-Tones vs 7As

Shark Pit,

Would you be able to post a vid comparing the Classics and Version 2?
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