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Old 09-19-2010, 02:39 AM
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Default how to achieve this floor tom sound?

hello,
i recently discovered this drummer, chris bear from the band grizzly bear. he is an amazingly good jazz drummer.

anyways, what's unique about his playing is he doesn't use a bass drum. instead he uses the floor tom only! and it sounds exactly like a kick drum.

here is a video of him playing. you can hear the floor tom pretty clearly at around 1:26:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSzVyrTaS-4

i was able to find a photo that may help:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink

i asked him which floor tom he uses, but he never specified the heads. he uses a vintage slingerland, from the looks of it a 18'. anyone have any ideas as to what heads/tuning/muffling is required to achieve this sound? from the photo it looks to me like a remo pinstripe with some moongel for muffling
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Old 10-16-2010, 07:12 AM
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.................any ideas?
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Old 10-16-2010, 09:13 AM
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Well first it's a live low quality recording, and the drums got a mic on it. Second do you have an 18? have you ever tuned one down low? I have 4 18" floor toms two wood 18x16's an acrylic 18x16 and a wood 18x18. All four of those are larger than a tradtional jazz 18x14 bass drum. It's easy to get a deep low sound out of a tom that size. I usually run an ec2 on the wood ones but recently tried a evans hydro on the acrylic, now that sounds deep.
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Old 10-16-2010, 05:11 PM
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Default Re: how to achieve this floor tom sound?

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Well first ..... It's easy to get a deep low sound out of a tom that size........recently tried a evans hydro on the acrylic, now that sounds deep.
The evans hydralics can have a low "THUNK" sound.

On the recording though >>> the tom used for BD sounds like it is highly muffled to me. Maybe each head has a felt strap on it????
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from the photo it looks to me like a remo pinstripe with some moongel for muffling
Looks like a Pinstripe to me too.....not sure about the Moongel though. Looks like a couple of strips of white gaffer tape from where I'm sitting.
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Old 10-17-2010, 07:42 PM
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You'll have the best results on an 18" floor tom but you could get close with a 16" too. Try a 2-ply clear head such as the Evans G2 or EC2. You may want to experiment with using some E-Rings as well (particularly with the G2). Tune the reso head slightly lower than the batter head as well.
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Old 10-18-2010, 04:21 AM
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The evans hydralics can have a low "THUNK" sound.

On the recording though >>> the tom used for BD sounds like it is highly muffled to me. Maybe each head has a felt strap on it????
The quick response and low sustain of Acrylic and a deep size sound very low to me. Also I have an Internal Muffler on mine.
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Old 11-11-2010, 05:29 AM
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Default Re: how to achieve this floor tom sound?

i was able to get a similar sound using a remo pinstripe on my 18' 1950's vintage slingerland floortom. basically i tuned the batter and reso really low...and used alot of moongel for muffling on both the batter and reso...but it sounds really dead compared to the recording. i do know that he uses a delay pedal as well on his floor tom, maybe that affects the fullness of the sound somewhat?
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Old 11-11-2010, 12:45 PM
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I have been using a product called Echo Less drum mufflers and I get them from hoytpercussion.com they are awesome. My floor Tom is evil as I had hoped.
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i was able to get a similar sound using a remo pinstripe on my 18' 1950's vintage slingerland floortom. basically i tuned the batter and reso really low...and used alot of moongel for muffling on both the batter and reso...but it sounds really dead compared to the recording. i do know that he uses a delay pedal as well on his floor tom, maybe that affects the fullness of the sound somewhat?
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: how to achieve this floor tom sound?

i'm also wondering how he gets his snare sound. here's a good quality video of him playing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_j5XB_Tu0

the snare comes in at around 3:40

any ideas as to what brand/heads/tuning he's using?
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Old 02-12-2011, 12:47 AM
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Default Re: how to achieve this floor tom sound?

http://www.remo.com/portal/products/...ffl_strip.html

This is the product I use to get my 18" bass sounding a lot like that guy's tom. I use clear pinstripe or a coated emperor. then put a ring of this a couple inches from the shell on the inside of the batter head.
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