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Old 07-30-2010, 04:13 PM
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Default Buddy Rich's Modern Interpretation of Modern Snare Drum Rudiments

I just bought the book and DVD combo called "Buddy Rich's Modern Interpretation of Modern Snare Drum Rudiments", which was a collaboration between Henry Adler and Buddy Rich, and recently revised by Ted Mackenzie (who also teaches on the DVD). My question is for those of you who have book and/or have seen the DVD....

I really like the logical process this book presents (starting with learning all of the rudiments as "non-bounce" exercises for muscle memory, then going through them a second time as "bounce" exercises for speed and practicality), HOWEVER something I am not sure about is the technique Ted Mackenzie uses for striking the drum. In the "full stroke" (up) position, the knuckles are facing up and thumbs are facing each other. When striking the drum, he describes a twist of the forearm so that when the stick hits the head the thumbs are facing upwards and knuckles are facing out to the side. Obviously the faster you play, the more subtle the twist needs to be. The thing is, one of my private teachers told me that knuckles should be facing up at all times and the motion of the wrist is a simple pivot rather than a twist. How many of you use this forearm twist technique when striking the drum? I DO NOT want to start any debates about right and wrong here, I just want to get a feel for how common this technique is... ?

PS. For those who have used the book, what do you think of it in terms of teaching rudiments? How complete is it compared to other rudiment books and methods?
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Old 08-02-2010, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Buddy Rich's Modern Interpretation of Modern Snare Drum Rudiments

well its fine to twist and it feels more comfortable when lifting the sticks to a full stroke posistion. If you are playing upto abou 8" of the drum then maybe i wouldnt turn. One of my good freinds uses a twist in his doubles and his doubles are blinding. He is a very muscular player and doesnt use a lot of bounce, but jesus he can play a double stoke roll.

I would'nt worry to much about the status qo, im not really sure how most people, if your not hurting yourself and it works its fine in my opinion.
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Old 08-03-2010, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Buddy Rich's Modern Interpretation of Modern Snare Drum Rudiments

Okay thanks. To me it seems the wrist motion (the twist of the wrist using the forearm as Ted demonstrated in his video) is very exaggerated. I don't see many other players using this method exactly as Ted describes, and I feel it is very awkward. However, as you speed up while playing, these motions would become more subtle I assume.

Another thing I notice is that the Buddy Rich book goes through "ruffs" as alternating single stroke rudiments, but other methods don't always include "ruffs". I also have seen the ruff as a LLR or RRL with two ghost notes and then the third being the stroke. I thought this was a "drag", not a "ruff"?

I have been playing drums for 18 years but never went through all the rudiments (ouch). I wish I had taken more lessons so that I would have them under my belt already. Unfortunately I have to play catch up now :)
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Old 08-04-2010, 01:13 AM
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This was my first drum book. I've been playing for 2.5 years and my teacher still assigns lessons out of it. The binding is broke and all the pages are falling out LOL.

Took almost a year to go thru snapping each rudiment. Then 9 months to go thru again bouncing the exercises.

I basically worked on 1 or 2 lessons each week. Like 10 minutes a day. At class I had to play right and left lead with intention and in time. Also had to tap my foot on 1 and 3 (or each beat if I wanted). Failure to demonstrate it like this meant it was going to be reassigned for the next week. My teach is merciless.

Lately it's been advanced rhythm stuff. We did the reading sections early on.

My current books in order of acquisition are:

Buddy Rich
Stick Control
One Surface Learning
Finger Control
Advanced Funk Studies

The last one is the only one I picked. The others I was told to buy.

Good luck. And have a watch of the DVD's.
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:05 AM
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Cool! Was your teacher strict on twisting the wrist when snapping out the rudiments for stage 1? (By twist I mean knuckles up in full stroke position, and thumbs up by the time the stick hits the head, just like Ted Mackenzie demonstrates on the DVD)?
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:29 AM
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No twisting. Just snap straight down.
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Old 08-10-2010, 03:50 AM
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I'm really eager to purchase this book/DVD soon, but by what you described it seems like one of those solo big band drummers from that era where it was alot of rudimental stuff on the shell with amazing speed and virtuousity...haha or maybe just something for show
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This was my first drum book. I've been playing for 2.5 years and my teacher still assigns lessons out of it. The binding is broke and all the pages are falling out LOL.

Took almost a year to go thru snapping each rudiment. Then 9 months to go thru again bouncing the exercises.

I basically worked on 1 or 2 lessons each week. Like 10 minutes a day. At class I had to play right and left lead with intention and in time. Also had to tap my foot on 1 and 3 (or each beat if I wanted). Failure to demonstrate it like this meant it was going to be reassigned for the next week. My teach is merciless.
Woah, you've got a good teacher right there! Leading with your right and left is extremely useful; and so is getting all your rudiments down real tight. After that, grasping and playing most stuff goes a lot faster.
Maybe in a few, you should check Gavin Harrison's books if you're interested in expanding your conceptual playing. Maybe Ted Reed's Syncopation, John Riley's Bop drumming books (if you're interested in Jazz), and The New Breed by Gary Chester is also a must for general playing and coordination. I don't know, all those seem like good complements to what you've been studying.

More on topic, I really think Buddy Rich's stuff (his playing included) has nothing of modern, and there are much better books and material on this subject.


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