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Old 07-28-2010, 12:56 PM
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Hi all,
Has anybody tried the Vic Firth Nova Sticks, I used Pro Mark 5a's for quite a while which I have been really happy with and tried some Stagg's recently as they were 1/5th the cost, the Staggs literally broke in minutes and are a false economy.
I'd like to try the Nova's as they're half the cost but not if it's going to be a similar experience to the Staggs.
The Pro Marks I'm going through quite a few at the moment but it's the amount I'm playing and not the quality of the sticks and they're fraying until they get too bendy to use as opposed to breaking.
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:45 PM
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I'd stay away from them. I picked up a brick from Musician's Friend with a heads order a while back, and immediately broke two pairs as soon as I started to practice. I don't even play hard.
They also have an odd feel to them, I can't describe it beyond weird, and not good weird. They're very springy-feeling which actually makes it hard to play quick hi-hat patterns.
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Old 07-30-2010, 06:10 AM
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The Novas aren't worth the money, but what is......The Vater Goodwood sticks. I bought a bundle of these, same price as the Novas recently. These are more durable than Vic Firth 5As. I'm a jazz musician primarily, but I need good sticks to practice with. Well the Novas worked OK for that, but they do break very easily and have a strange light flimsy feel. The Goodwood sticks are great for gigging. I've used the same pair for two 3 hour gigs and several more hours of practicing and there's no chip on these at all. Go for Goodwood sticks over Nova. Musiciansfriend has them
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:40 PM
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I'm used to playing with high quality, vic firth american classics and ziljian drum sticks but they were just starting to get rediculous paying 8 bucks a pair. I came across the nova's and couldn't pass up the deal, read some good reviews so I bought them. So far i'm impressed i been using the first pair for about a month now and they are still holding up strong. The feel isn't as good after a couple weeks of playing but still deffinately worth the price. I also play fairly strategically as in i don't break very many sticks, but I do play fairly hard when I'm at band practice. Haven't tried any other low quality sticks yet so I only have the high quality ones to compare it to. I've always prefered vic firth so I'll probably stick to it.
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Old 07-24-2011, 09:48 PM
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I have some Nova sticks that are 5 years old. They are great for practice and saving the better sticks. I have had top of the line sticks that wear out faster than the Novas.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:25 PM
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Avoid, they may be fine for lower volume practice, but won't hold up to loud performance. They're made of flawed cuts of wood, don't believe the rumours saying otherwise.
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Old 07-25-2011, 03:27 PM
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I am very happy with my Vic Firth Nova 5A Hickory.
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:13 AM
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I have been using these sticks for about 6 months now. 8 aussie dollars per pair and the usually last me 3 or 4 weeks, and I am a pretty hard hitter, and even playing rim shots on the snare. They cost 40% less and in my experience they last just as long as any other drum stick, probably due to my playing style. I must admit, some sticks will only last a song or two... but who cares... Im saving so much money!
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:15 AM
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FYI - I use 5B and Rock.
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:31 AM
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Nova Hickory Drumsticks are manufactured in the U.S. and have minor cosmetic blemishes that don't impact their playability in any way.
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Old 07-31-2011, 02:38 AM
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the nova sticks are crap, the grain runs on an angle thru them and they break on the grain, i never break sticks when using the american classic, i wear them out on the hats till the tip falls off, i bought a dozen sets of the nova and they were all busted by the 3rd gig, i bought a dozen sets of the american classic a year ago and i still got 3 sets i havent used yet so its alot cheaper for me to use the american classics, just my opinion
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the nova sticks are crap, the grain runs on an angle thru them and they break on the grain, i never break sticks when using the american classic, i wear them out on the hats till the tip falls off, i bought a dozen sets of the nova and they were all busted by the 3rd gig, i bought a dozen sets of the american classic a year ago and i still got 3 sets i havent used yet so its alot cheaper for me to use the american classics, just my opinion
Bit of an exaggeration. You broke 24 sticks in 3 gigs? I highly doubt that.
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Old 07-31-2011, 05:33 AM
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yes i did, and its no exaggeration, 24 sticks in 3 gigs, thats only 8 sticks a gig and i even broke 3 in one song, they are garbage plain and simple, i even complained to vic firth about it but they did not even answer my email, i still use vic firth american classics as im not gonna bite off my nose to spite my face but i still email them every once and a while to let them know im still pissed about it.
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yes i did, and its no exaggeration, 24 sticks in 3 gigs, thats only 8 sticks a gig and i even broke 3 in one song, they are garbage plain and simple, i even complained to vic firth about it but they did not even answer my email, i still use vic firth american classics as im not gonna bite off my nose to spite my face but i still email them every once and a while to let them know im still pissed about it.
If you broke that many sticks in 3 gigs, then you must be doing something very wrong. Well, not wrong... but something odd. For example, I play rims shots on my snare 100% of the time and never use the for cymbals. and about the neck for me. I also play my cymbals flat. For you to break that many sticks, you must have been playing uncomfortably hard. I've done it myself when the whole kit is not mic'd for bigger venues.

Whatever, the sticks don't work for you, they work fine for me... User preference.
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Old 07-31-2011, 01:15 PM
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I prefer the name brands like Vater instead of the second quality sticks, for two reasons. 1- I think the first hand/quality sticks last longer, and 2- they look nicer. And while people may say It doesnt matter what they look like theyre drumsticks, I could say that about all kinds of stuff. Why do people go to get their hair cut? Because they like the way it looks. Why do we wear certain clothes? Because our appearance is everything.
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If you broke that many sticks in 3 gigs, then you must be doing something very wrong. Well, not wrong... but something odd. For example, I play rims shots on my snare 100% of the time and never use the for cymbals. and about the neck for me. I also play my cymbals flat. For you to break that many sticks, you must have been playing uncomfortably hard. I've done it myself when the whole kit is not mic'd for bigger venues.

Whatever, the sticks don't work for you, they work fine for me... User preference.
well since you seem know so much you must have a lot of experiece with these, so you tell me why every one of the nova 5b's broke but ive never thats right NEVER broken an american classic 5b? i only wear them out, ive been playing for 32 years now and i dont play any different no matter what stick i use, my kit is always miked and i leave it up to the sound guy how much he adds or doesnt add and i wear in ear monitors as well so its always the same volume no matter if its at rehersal, a bar or an arena, plus ive never cracked a cymbal or dented a head since i was a teenager either, i buy quality equipment, theres a reason maple drums cost more than plywood, and b20 bronze cymbals cost more than b8 bronze and if novas were as good a quality as the american classic they would be the same price, ive got a box here with every used stick ive used since switching to vic firth in 1999, all the american classics have the ends worn down playing the hats till the tip finally falls off, and as for rim shots ive chewed the center out of the american classics on rims from doing that but they still never broke, the novas are actually broke and most broke on the grain, some are even split from the tip all the way down to the but end and some leave a sharp edge that can damage heads if not caught quick enough, anyway its just not worth taking a chance for the difference of $2 a pair and like i said it actually costs less in the long run to use a top quality stick as they last a lot longer anyway, and the reason im still pissed at vic firth is i didnt know i was getting the novas, they had a deal on that if you orderd a brick of them they would print your name on them, i always bought them by the dozen anyway so i thought what the hell, i actually thought i was getting american classics but when they came they were the crappy novas.

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Old 07-31-2011, 04:32 PM
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...theres a reason maple drums cost more than plywood, and b20 bronze cymbals cost more than b8 bronze...
I'm going to just be pedantic here for a second.

Maple drums usually are plywood.

And in real terms there's little difference between the material cost of a B8 cymbal blank and a B20 blank. Copper has reached an all-time highest price and B8 cymbals have a much higher copper content than B20 cymbals. Most of the perceived cost of cymbals is workmanship and factory markup as well as other costs like shipping. Paiste 2oo2 cymbals are B8 bronze, but I gather they're usually more expensive than the Sabian/Zildjian equivalents in the US - so in that case, the bronze has very little to do with the price of the cymbal.
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I'm going to just be pedantic here for a second.

Maple drums usually are plywood.

And in real terms there's little difference between the material cost of a B8 cymbal blank and a B20 blank. Copper has reached an all-time highest price and B8 cymbals have a much higher copper content than B20 cymbals. Most of the perceived cost of cymbals is workmanship and factory markup as well as other costs like shipping. Paiste 2oo2 cymbals are B8 bronze, but I gather they're usually more expensive than the Sabian/Zildjian equivalents in the US - so in that case, the bronze has very little to do with the price of the cymbal.
so with what your saying a set of plywood westburrys are as good as a set of yamaha maple custom absolutes and a set of sabian b8's is just as good as a set of sabian aa's or hh's, shit all these years ive been wasitng money on the phoney higher quality equipment, where were all you guys with your opinions when i was buying this stuff, oh yeh, you wernt born yet...lol

ps: if anyone thinks high end drums and made of plywood they better do some reading on the manfacturing process, plywood drums have the grain direction alternating on each layer, quality drums do not, you cant cut a sharp bearing edge on a plywood drum, it will chip off.

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so with what your saying a set of plywood westburrys are as good as a set of yamaha maple custom absolutes and a set of sabian b8's is just as good as a set of sabian aa's or hh's, idiotic profanity removed all these years ive been wasitng money on the phoney higher quality equipment, where were all you guys with your opinions when i was buying this stuff, oh yeh, you wernt born yet...lol

ps: if anyone thinks high end drums and made of plywood they better do some reading on the manfacturing process, plywood drums have the grain direction alternating on each layer, quality drums do not, you cant cut a sharp bearing edge on a plywood drum, it will chip off.
I'd appreciate it if you read what I actually posted.

Firstly, 'Plywood' is a generic term for wood overlaid with alternating grain patterns. In the majority of drums - even high-end drums - this is the standard construction method. Stave, steam-bent and block shells aren't built this way but they are in the vast minority because it's much harder to mass-produce those drums. I'm not saying a set of Westbury's are the same as a set of Yamaha Maple Customs. What I'm saying is that the basic method of construction is the same and they operate on the same principles.

B8 is merely an alloy of bronze. The alloy has no bearing on the construction method. It just so happens that B8 cymbals are usually lower-end, but not always. Matt Nolan (who is a custom cymbalsmith in the UK) makes cymbals from many different kinds of bronze; B15, B6, B8 - etc. Paiste 2oo2 cymbals are a high-end cymbal made with B8 alloy. The alloy has little bearing over the price - the price is often decided by other factors.

I suggest that you do your own research before leaving another mess of a post in this thread.
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Old 07-31-2011, 08:12 PM
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I'd appreciate it if you read what I actually posted.

Firstly, 'Plywood' is a generic term for wood overlaid with alternating grain patterns. In the majority of drums - even high-end drums - this is the standard construction method. Stave, steam-bent and block shells aren't built this way but they are in the vast minority because it's much harder to mass-produce those drums. I'm not saying a set of Westbury's are the same as a set of Yamaha Maple Customs. What I'm saying is that the basic method of construction is the same and they operate on the same principles.

B8 is merely an alloy of bronze. The alloy has no bearing on the construction method. It just so happens that B8 cymbals are usually lower-end, but not always. Matt Nolan (who is a custom cymbalsmith in the UK) makes cymbals from many different kinds of bronze; B15, B6, B8 - etc. Paiste 2oo2 cymbals are a high-end cymbal made with B8 alloy. The alloy has little bearing over the price - the price is often decided by other factors.

I suggest that you do your own research before leaving another mess of a post in this thread.
sorry not even close, high end drums do not have layers of alternating grains at all, like i said earlier you cant cut a sharp bearing edge on an actual "plywood" shell as it will chip on the edge, it is one long thin sheet with the grain going the same way wrapped over itself till they reach the thickness they want , 3, 4 ,5 layers etc, whatever thickness they are trying to achieve and the reason they do it this way is its easier to wrap a thin layer and get it perfectly round than to try to bend a thicker piece of wood plus there is less chance of the grain warping or splitting as can happen with a thin stave type shell, i suggest you do some research before posting next time.
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...till they reach the thickness they want , 3, 4 ,5 layers etc, whatever thickness they are trying to achieve...
The very definition of 'plywood'. A 'ply' is a layer. That's all it is.

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Plywood is a type of manufactured timber made from thin sheets of wood veneer.
Regardless of whether or not it's the same piece of wood that has been coiled over itself (it's not) it would still be defined as 'plywood' because that is the total product. Drums are - regardless - constructed from layers of veneer, like any other plywood.

http://www.drumjunction.com/drum_shells.html

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i see this site is still full of children that think they know it all and would rather argue than learn, and you arguing about the use of the terms not the actually construction process, call an actual drum builder and say "plywood" and see what they have to say, most people consider "plywood" to be layers of alternating grains which are generaly used in the construction of low end drums, cb, westburry etc, high end drums are not, snares can be made out of 1 thicker layer because at that thickness they are less apt to crack, do you consider 1 layer to be plywood as well, id say not, toms must be made of several layers of "laminated" wood with the grain going the same way to add strength and reduce the chance of splitting do to the shells being made very thin and are not usually referred to as plywood do to the fact that they will be confused with the lower quality product, and again i state you cannot cut a sharp bearing edge on a shell that has alternating grains it will chip off,

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Tard, with all due respect...first off this site is not full of children. Don't speak of that which you do not know. It is a well known and established fact that plywood drums have their grains alternating for strength. I myself have had Eames drums built where the builder specifically stated that the grain of each individual ply alternates for strength. Look at DW's "X" shells. They specifically advertise that each ply is 90 degrees offset from the surrounding plies, albeit in an "X" configuration. I think you'd have to agree that the DW X shells are one definition of a high end drum. And your bearing edge claim....patently untrue.

MFB provided a source of info for his stance. Also, he doesn't post stuff unless he knows what he's talking about, he is a great source of info here. Oregon drums clearly states that the grain on their plies alternate. Do you have an info source that supports your claims? Stave shells have the grain runing from top to bottom. Last time I checked, stave shells have bearing edges cut, so that blows your bearing edge argument out of the water

I would venture to say that NO plywood drums have the grain running in the same orientation as all the other plies. Anyone who works with plywood will support this.

The first link you provided is not a plywood drum so it doesn't apply to this debate. Why did you post it?
The 2nd PDP link doesn't address the issue at hand whatsoever. They don't show enough close ups to determine if the plies alternate, even though I'll bet you any amount of money they do. Why did you post that?

So it's up to you to provide us with an info source, because what you are stating runs counter to common knowledge.
And this isn't an argument, it's a debate. Adults debate, children argue.

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Laminate and veneer are the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4IZn...eature=related

Sheets of veneer (or laminate, if you will) with alternating grains arranged in layers and shaped into a shell. That's plywood. Nothing more, nothing less. We're not arguing semantics here that's what it is by its very definition.

I've played steambent shells and stave. They are different and they are not mass-market.

I'm sorry to burst your little bubble but your username is appropriate.

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Tard, with all due respect...first off this site is not full of children. Don't speak of that which you do not know. It is a well known and established fact that plywood drums have their grains alternating for strength. I myself have had Eames drums built where the builder specifically stated that the grain of each individual ply alternates for strength. Look at DW's "X" shells. They specifically advertise that each ply is 90 degrees offset from the surrounding plies, albeit in an "X" configuration. I think you'd have to agree that the DW X shells are one definition of a high end drum. And your bearing edge claim....patently untrue.

MFB provided a source of info for his stance. Also, he doesn't post stuff unless he knows what he's talking about, he is a great source of info here. Oregon drums clearly states that the grain on their plies alternate. Do you have an info source that supports your claims? Stave shells have the grain runing from top to bottom. Last time I checked, stave shells have bearing edges cut, so that blows your bearing edge argument out of the water

I would venture to say that NO plywood drums have the grain running in the same orientation as all the other plies. Anyone who works with plywood will support this.

The first link you provided is not a plywood drum so it doesn't apply to this debate. Why did you post it?
The 2nd PDP link doesn't address the issue at hand whatsoever. They don't show enough close ups to determine if the plies alternate, even though I'll bet you any amount of money they do. Why did you post that?

So it's up to you to provide us with an info source, because what you are stating runs counter to common knowledge.
And this isn't an argument, it's a debate. Adults debate, children argue.
if you skip half way thru the pdp video you will see where they drop one layer into a mold that has been looped around several times and it has the grain going the same way, and yes cheaper drums use alternating grains for strenght because they can use scrap wood for the center layers to lower production costs, and i didnt say you couldnt cut a sharp bearing edge on a stave shell at all considering a stave shell has the grain going the same way which is what i said you need to cut a sharp bearing edge, i said you cant cut a sharp bearing edge on a multi layered shell with the grains going in opposite directions, and the x pattern that dw uses is so they can actually get away with doing it, if one was up and the other sideways they cant cause it will chip but the x patten allows them to do so, and again if youd stop arguing just for arguments sake you might actually learn something, call a shell builder like keller and see what they have to say, i stopped coming to this site years ago because there seemed to be an over abundance on know it alls and no one wanted to learn and i see it hasnt changed.
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You're still wrong. If you can't deal with a body of evidence that goes totally against you then that's fine - but there's no reason for you to keep coming back. Honestly, I'm not the know-all in this thread. You're just incorrect.

If you watch the PDP video properly, at 3.20 then it's an identical process to the Pearl and Sonor videos I've already posted.
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Tard I will take you up on the challenge. I will find out about Keller shells grain orientation and post it. If it turns out that my info counters your claims, are you big enough to admit your info was incorrect?

I emailed Keller just now and will post the response.
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Tard I will take you up on the challenge. I will find out about Keller shells grain orientation and post it. If it turns out that my info counters your claims, are you big enough to admit your info was incorrect?
I think we should ask Andy (KIS).

Incidentally, Gary Noonan used to live about a fifteen minute walk from where I grew up. He made his own shells. I visited his shop more than once.
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really, well go watch the sonor video then, the middle layers are set at an angle not opposite each other, and it does not say if this is the process for their entry level or their top of the line drums, and again you are still arguing like a child just because i originally referred to low end drums as constructed of plywood and high end drums constructed of laminated layers, have fun children, maybe some day you will grow up and learn something and now your reduced to insulting my user name, like i said children.
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Tard, you're just wrong. Stop moaning. The Pearl video states that they use 2-ply sheets with alternating grain patterns. You're clutching at straws and you've been proven wrong several times.

Have fun. Shame you can't deal with being wrong. Laminated layers are called plies.

I haven't insulted your spelling, punctuation or grammar yet - but that would be like shooting fish in a barrel.
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You're still wrong. If you can't deal with a body of evidence that goes totally against you then that's fine - but there's no reason for you to keep coming back. Honestly, I'm not the know-all in this thread. You're just incorrect.

If you watch the PDP video properly, at 3.20 then it's an identical process to the Pearl and Sonor videos I've already posted.
im, no its not, look again, start at about 3.17 that is one long thin piece wood rolled up to make several layers, then put in the press, the grain is the same way
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No, no it's not. Same process as the Pearl video. You can't see the grain in the middle layers so your assertion is not demonstrated in your video. It's explicitly stated in the Pearl video and both companies use the same process.

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DW are selling aligned grain as a feature; not as standard.

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BTW, tard, do you really play your rack toms with that angle?
That's re-diculous
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No, no it's not. Same process as the Pearl video. You can't see the grain in the middle layers so your assertion is not demonstrated in your video. It's explicitly stated in the Pearl video and both companies use the same process.



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On the section describing the 'X' shell.

DW are selling aligned grain as a feature; not as standard.

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are you serious, you can see them roll it over itself and then shove it in the press, its one piece one wood long enough to wrap around 2 or three times and by the way i have a 2.3 mm 12" keller shell right here in my hands and it is 3 layers thick and is made from 1 piece of laminate with the grain going the same way, you ever bust a thin maple shell, it will crack all the way around and all the way thru and in the same direction, couldnt do that if the center piece of wood had the grain going up and down.
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Even with that assertion it is still plywood. We addressed that many posts ago - you didn't provide any evidence otherwise.
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BTW, tard, do you really play your rack toms with that angle?
That's re-diculous
no, its just the wide angle lens used for the pics, i take a lot of heat for that, heres a better view



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OK so you're saying that the wide angle lens of the camera made your toms look that angled when they really were much flatter?
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Even with that assertion it is still plywood. We addressed that many posts ago - you didn't provide any evidence otherwise.
again i used the term plywood to describe lower priced drums such as cb and westburry and laminate to describe the higher end products only as i have tried to explain but everyone would rather just argue
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OK so you're saying that the wide angle lens of the camera made your toms look that angled when they really were much flatter?
yes, you can see how they look taken with a normal camera setting
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But plywood and laminate is like saying potatoes and spuds, 2 different names for exactly the same thing. This is not an argument, more like a quest for the truth.
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