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Old 07-19-2010, 04:02 PM
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Hi all,

What's everyone's take on hitting the drums too hard ???

Apparently one critic was quoted as saying John Bonham would never make it as a drummer because he hit them too hard and when you take the likes of Aaron Spears into account (what a dude) personally I don't think it's possible.

That said I'm sure we've all been to band practices where eveybody says the drummers too loud, my take is it's in too small a room with too small a PA. Used to get told it in a small pub that had open mic night as well.

Drums are drums and make a certain level of noise, yes I do hit them harder than some drummers and not as hard as others but it's not constant it's only where there should be greater emphasis / volume and I'll be the quietest around during a soft ballard.

If I try and play more quietly than I would to accomodate for a small room I feel as though I've got one hand tied behind my back and makes me so conscious of my playing I play rubbish.

I think I've become more aware of it recently as the band I was in I practiced with an electronic kit which meant I coud hit it as hard as I liked and if "The Mix" wasn't right it could be just turned down and yet I could still be giving and feeling that I'm giving it my all in the places it needs it, the new band pratice in a small rehearsal room.

I'm also not talking about just playing loud / hard throughout a song but with variation and surely when you're in a studio / gig with a full PA and sound engineer they just mix you accordingly.

Be interested to hear other peoples views and if it's just me or do you often get asked to turn it down at rehearsals / small venues and does it affect your playing ??
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:08 PM
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Yes we as a band get asked to turn down in some places. Yes it does affect my playing. I really can't get into the zone when I have to watch every hit, and even though I feel I play way better when I don't have to limit the volume, the recordings show that when I play soft, it sounds fine. It just doesn't feel fine when I do it.

Choking up on the sticks works pretty good for limiting the volume.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:26 PM
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Dynamic control is a must-have skill for the rounded drummer. Drums can sound their sweetest when played at lower volumes, the performances on Steely Dan's Aja album being a good example. Unless you play relentlessly loud styles of music, constant hard hitting can become tedious for the listener and band member alike, it shows a lack of finesse.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:44 PM
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Dynamic control is a must-have skill for the rounded drummer. Drums can sound their sweetest when played at lower volumes, the performances on Steely Dan's Aja album being a good example. Unless you play relentlessly loud styles of music, constant hard hitting can become tedious for the listener and band member alike, it shows a lack of finesse.
Think you've got the worng end of the stick maybe, as I tryed to convey in the original post it's not about just hammering away relentlessly. Personally I love nothing more than the feeling of playing and subtlety you can put into a really quiet ballard and don't get critiscised for the quieter songs at all. I'm talking about when it is a louder song or time to crank it up and using a wide envelope of dynamics.
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Old 07-19-2010, 04:48 PM
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Witt, there are a few ways to hit too hard:

- if you're too loud to hear what the others are doing and/or too high up in the mix

- if you are unintentionally choking the drum (law of diminishing returns)

- if you hurt yourself (beyond your tolerance).

To reduce volume I use lighter sticks, I grip the sticks higher up (as per Larry's comment), and keep my hands lower. Like Jones I enjoy the sound of a gently played drum a la Steve Gadd and Tony Allen. I also enjoy the power Bonzo and Dave Grohl.

It's not easy to play both quietly and with intensity but there are plenty of jazz drummers who show how it's done.
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Old 07-19-2010, 08:55 PM
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Think you've got the worng end of the stick maybe, as I tryed to convey in the original post it's not about just hammering away relentlessly. Personally I love nothing more than the feeling of playing and subtlety you can put into a really quiet ballard and don't get critiscised for the quieter songs at all. I'm talking about when it is a louder song or time to crank it up and using a wide envelope of dynamics.
I'm confused at what you're getting at. Is it a problem of getting the rest of the band to play as loudly as you when it's appropriate to play loudly?
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Old 07-19-2010, 09:18 PM
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I just had this problem yesterday actually! I was playing at my church and during rehearsal before the service started the sound guy and the band leader both told me to play more quietly. I was fine with that, so I just played more softly. They then said that I was STILL too loud. I told them that it was probably just the crash cymbals so they told me to quit playing crashes. I did and they told me that my volume was perfect. As it turned out, I had to play high-energy rock music without using any crashes. It was hard to control my natural urges to crash, but I guess it inspired some creative fill ideas in me.
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:13 PM
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I believe that a well-rounded drummer should know how to play very loudly and hit very hard. I also believe that a drummer should also be able to consistently play very softly, and everything in between.

Think of volume as a spread in palette. The louder one is able to play consistently lends to a wider palette of potentials if they can also play quietly consistently.

The most important thing is the wisdom and humility to do what is right for the music and venue. I believe that we drummers are more the volume knob for a band than we are a timekeeper.

My knob goes to 11! (:
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Old 07-19-2010, 10:34 PM
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i agree w/ a lot of the feedback below. however, i heard the opposite RE Bonham (he did NOT hit them too hard). in that most people sitting behind him while he played noticed that he didn't use insane volume / attack to get a BIG sound...the HUGE sound he got on vinyl. he knew how to hit the drum just enough to get the max sound out; play off the head w/ snap, etc. i believe explained here by Jeff Ocheltree
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my other .02 cents on this is that i don't think you should ever be denting the heads & that extreme volume is possible when you need it from good, relaxed & technically-correct moeller strokes.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:22 PM
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I think this is a tricky topic. I'm pretty sure it goes without saying that volume control is a very needed ability in any drummer. The music has dynamics written in it for a reason and it shouldn't be overlooked. But at the same time, as percussionists we have to strike our instrument to create the sound, so some damage will occur. I liken this to a sax player who breaks a reed from time to time. Doesn't mean they don't know how to play or have bad technique, it's just something that happens.

If you are refering to having a club owner or someone telling you that your band is too loud, that's a different issue. When growing up and living at home, my mom would sometime make me move my kit to our inclosed proch to practice so she wouldn't have all the noise in the house. But since I've moved out on my own and have started hosting band practices, I have made it a priority when relocating to have a place that my band (which is a heavy rock/metal band) can practic. We use dynamics in our music, but we too go up to 11....sometimes 12. :) We also make sure that we book venues that support and allow louder music.
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:34 PM
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Dynamic control is a must-have skill for the rounded drummer. Drums can sound their sweetest when played at lower volumes, the performances on Steely Dan's Aja album being a good example. Unless you play relentlessly loud styles of music, constant hard hitting can become tedious for the listener and band member alike, it shows a lack of finesse.
you are so right JC every drummer should have dynamics I don't. care what style of music you're playing there is always room for dynamics, Even Chris Adler & Vinnie Paul are dynamic drummers & they play straight-up thrash metal. Bonham became more dynamic as he got older It's just a skill you need too learn.

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Old 07-19-2010, 11:48 PM
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You know, I also don't think John Bonham was a hard hitter (at least not all the time as he is so often spoken of). When I watch the old videos of his playing, he's not hitting that hard, in fact I would say it's almost "jazzy" in his approach. Whatever he did for Led Zeppelin, it was perfect.

But I see guys just bashing away, not being musical at all, and then they complain when someone tells them to lighten up. If you're a working drummer, you do what you're supposed to do to make the music happen. And what you're supposed to do when the club owner (or the person writing the checks) or the cops ask you to alter what you're doing. I've done gigs all night playing brushes, or blasticks, or whatever, and never have I complained that whoever I am "isn't being allowed to happen" because I'm not playing at a higher volume. If we were paid for volume, we'd all be millionaires. It's about being musical and serving the atmosphere. If you scare everyone out of the party, then there is no gig, right?

When you own the club and are paying everybody, then you can do whatever you want. And as Quincy Jones told Ndugu Chancellor during the making of "Thriller": "You can put that stuff on your own album" when Ndugu was displaying some creative fills.

Or am I wrong and this is really a touchy subject with about as many answers as there are drummers in the world?
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Old 07-19-2010, 11:51 PM
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:11 AM
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Old 07-20-2010, 12:15 AM
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You know, I also don't think John Bonham was a hard hitter (at least not all the time as he is so often spoken of). When I watch the old videos of his playing, he's not hitting that hard, in fact I would say it's almost "jazzy" in his approach. Whatever he did for Led Zeppelin, it was perfect.

But I see guys just bashing away, not being musical at all, and then they complain when someone tells them to lighten up. If you're a working drummer, you do what you're supposed to do to make the music happen. And what you're supposed to do when the club owner (or the person writing the checks) or the cops ask you to alter what you're doing. I've done gigs all night playing brushes, or blasticks, or whatever, and never have I complained that whoever I am "isn't being allowed to happen" because I'm not playing at a higher volume. If we were paid for volume, we'd all be millionaires. It's about being musical and serving the atmosphere. If you scare everyone out of the party, then there is no gig, right?

When you own the club and are paying everybody, then you can do whatever you want. And as Quincy Jones told Ndugu Chancellor during the making of "Thriller": "You can put that stuff on your own album" when Ndugu was displaying some creative fills.

Or am I wrong and this is really a touchy subject with about as many answers as there are drummers in the world?

Nope... That was perfect.

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Old 07-20-2010, 04:42 AM
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Hitting drums "too hard" implies that there is some reason not to...you're hitting the drums "too hard" for something. So, yes, it is possible to hit the drums too hard, whether it be too hard for the smaller venue (too loud), the studio (too much bleed-over created), for the drum (it will choke if played too loud), etc...

As for me, I like to "play" the drums, in a way that is appropriate for the music, in order to sound good.
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Old 07-20-2010, 05:36 AM
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Drums will only give you 100%, you can't get anymore out of it. The harder you hit it, will not get any louder.
Regarding John Bonham's style about being a hard-hitter, he was not, he had feel above his own technique, making his sound unique.
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A lot of guys hit hard in a tight & stiff way that gets a bad sound and can be interpreted as hitting hard. Hitting fast with relaxed hands (velocity instead of inertia) gets a better sound and there's really no limit to how much air you can move when you hit the drum.
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Old 07-20-2010, 06:07 AM
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My favorite gigs are where we play rooms with good sound and drum fill. I can hear my drums well and play at a nice comfortable level, with some room to move when we get to the Hendrix stuff. (It's a Woodstock show) I know when I'm playing *too* hard when I start to get sloppy.
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You know, I also don't think John Bonham was a hard hitter (at least not all the time as he is so often spoken of). When I watch the old videos of his playing, he's not hitting that hard, in fact I would say it's almost "jazzy" in his approach. Whatever he did for Led Zeppelin, it was perfect.

But I see guys just bashing away, not being musical at all, and then they complain when someone tells them to lighten up. If you're a working drummer, you do what you're supposed to do to make the music happen. And what you're supposed to do when the club owner (or the person writing the checks) or the cops ask you to alter what you're doing. I've done gigs all night playing brushes, or blasticks, or whatever, and never have I complained that whoever I am "isn't being allowed to happen" because I'm not playing at a higher volume. If we were paid for volume, we'd all be millionaires. It's about being musical and serving the atmosphere. If you scare everyone out of the party, then there is no gig, right?

When you own the club and are paying everybody, then you can do whatever you want. And as Quincy Jones told Ndugu Chancellor during the making of "Thriller": "You can put that stuff on your own album" when Ndugu was displaying some creative fills.

Or am I wrong and this is really a touchy subject with about as many answers as there are drummers in the world?
Great post,
I agree 100% that's what dynamics is all about playing what the tune calls for,yeah it's fun too slam drums sometimes but it's also cool too play quietly it's really a skill that will win you over with the bandmates,crowd,club owner or promoter(that's important LOL),etc.

Not only that but for me anyways if I do a crazy fill or fast drumming in general it's harder to do that quieter than louder & requires a lot of discipline IMO.

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Old 07-20-2010, 06:55 PM
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By definition, i hit drums too hard. By that I mean i hit my drums (or certainly my snare) more than is necessary to get the highest volume out of it.

I don't necessarily hit drums hard for the volume but just because it's fun and i get in the whole moment of being onstage and headbanging enough to make my neck hurt for 2 days afterwards. I'm probably tearing my neck muscles in half, ripping tendons in my arms and breaking drum heads here there and everywhere by the time i'm 40 or 50 but i do so because i find it so fun just to hit drums for the fun of hitting them.

I think this whole debate about hitting drums hard in a way comes partially from your roots. Musically or as a drummer.

The first song i ever remember hearing was Spice Girls (i have a bad memory) but the first song i remember listening to and liking was one of Limp Bizkit's early tunes. I suppose from the first time you remember hearing a song and liking it, your whole opinion and view of music changes and you want to play that sort of music. How many people do you know listen to metal and have listened to metal al their lives then join the latest and greatest pop group for the music?

My tastes have changed over the years but i still listen to some of the same sort of bands as before. Modern pop, metal and pop-punk.
I don't listen to jazz, i don't remember ever listening to jazz and liking it, so i don't play it. The sort of music i listen to may not have the finesse of jazz but it's the music that i enjoy playing and listening to. And when i do listen to it, it makes me feel, in a way, empowered and makes me want to play.

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Old 07-20-2010, 09:18 PM
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Why would anyone want to hit your drums. I see some younger drummers out there playing
drums like its some sort of sport. When you play a drum correctly, the stick should rebound
and the drum makes the sound or note. By developing proper technique you should be able
to play very quiet and loud. Tuning and head selection have a lot to do with drum volume.
thinner heads louder drums. John Bonham had excellent technique, I have never seen him
hit ( pound on ) his drums. The drumset is a very dynamic instrument that takes a lot of
practice to control. The more relaxed you are the more control you have i.e instead of playing
fast singles play open rolls, its a lot quieter and when developed can sound same.
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Great post,
I agree 100% that's what dynamics is all about playing what the tune calls for,yeah it's fun too slam drums sometimes but it's also cool too play quietly it's really a skill that will win you over with the bandmates,crowd,club owner or promoter(that's important LOL),etc.

Not only that but for me anyways if I do a crazy fill or fast drumming in general it's harder to do that quieter than louder & requires a lot of discipline IMO.

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Thanks man,

I agree with you on the fun factor, I love to play loud just like anyone else, but I totally believe the drummer's job is to help everyone else on the bandstand. Not everyone can make a career out of solo drumming (well, except for maybe Bozzio).
And here's a scary story for you - I once took a lesson with a guy who demonstrated everything he played (fills and licks) at high volume, then really quietly with the same intensity. Talk about walking out with your tail between your legs!
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:47 AM
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If anyone has seen keith carlock play live, hes a great example of this discussion. He uses a whipping action, he puts in as much effort that is needed. He plays quiet, and then can turn it up REALLY loud, but it doesnt look like hes putting in anymore effort or hitting any harder. Its all technique. i bet if you put plugs in your ears, and told him to play normal, or soft, then loud, you'd hardly tell the difference. Its all skill. I also partly agree with the below comments about bonham. Sometimes he does hit hard, but not as hard as people think. Again it was technique. Just because someones arms and hair is flying all over the place and their face has a really, how can i put this, 'big' expression on their face, doesnt mean their hitting hard. If that makes sense? I think people see all this flying arms, agression ext and immediately think hes hitting stupidly hard.
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Old 07-21-2010, 08:26 AM
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Not only that but for me anyways if I do a crazy fill or fast drumming in general it's harder to do that quieter than louder & requires a lot of discipline IMO.

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This was really the point I was trying to get across in the quote above and I don't think it's so much that I play that loud in comparison. If you took a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being quiet 10extreme on the loud front and 5 as middle of the road I'm probably a 6 for rhythm's and between a 5 and 7 depending playing fills on the fill / song.
I think I just get frustrated when you practice in a room not much bigger than a single garage (garages in the UK are tiny compared to the US) and you're constantly holding back and yet on Sunday the same band will be playing to 2000 people with the kit going through the PA and not one person will say the drummer's too loud!
I think some people thought I was saying I played insanely loudely which isn't the case it was more about other band members perception of how loudly you're playing due to the size of room you're playing in. One of the tracks in our set list is I Can't Make You Love Me by Bonnie Raitt so as I'm sure you can imagine I can appreciate holding back and playing like a mouse :-)
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Old 07-21-2010, 08:33 AM
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This was really the point I was trying to get across in the quote above and I don't think it's so much that I play that loud in comparison. If you took a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being quiet 10extreme on the loud front and 5 as middle of the road I'm probably a 6 for rhythm's and between a 5 and 7 depending playing fills on the fill / song.
I think I just get frustrated when you practice in a room not much bigger than a single garage (garages in the UK are tiny compared to the US) and you're constantly holding back and yet on Sunday the same band will be playing to 2000 people with the kit going through the PA and not one person will say the drummer's too loud!
I think some people thought I was saying I played insanely loudely which isn't the case it was more about other band members perception of how loudly you're playing due to the size of room you're playing in. One of the tracks in our set list is I Can't Make You Love Me by Bonnie Raitt so as I'm sure you can imagine I can appreciate holding back and playing like a mouse :-)
I didn't get that you yourself liked to play insanely loud. I understand your frustration though. You just have to realize that there's a difference in venue. When you practice, you're disturbing the peace. An actual gig with a sound system is an event. Have you ever tried those rubber pads on the kit? I did that when I lived in a townhouse (big apartment) and never bothered anyone, best investment I ever made because I could still play my drums, and not a practice pad kit.
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Still sounds like your problem is that you think you're not a hard hitter when you actually are. The acoustics of a room are obviously a factor, but my point about dynamic control os all the more relelvant. You have to adjust your touch accordingly, and cool off the volume for the purposes of practice. Maybe i'm still misunderstanding your specific issue :p
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There is performance as well to consider as a jazz drummer in a rock setting would look all wrong.

The intermediate drum camp I just went to was a massive learning for me. 8 drummers. I was by a long L O N G way the quietest drummer there. Even in practice on kits with rubber facings all the other drummers played really hard.

I was very confused by this. I know the tone does change as well as the volume, but I don't understand why you would need to practice everything at 8 or 9 / 10 for volume. They were all better players than me BTW.

So I do think this is an interesting subject and certainly worth posting about. I am now generally playing harder than I used to maybe 6 / 10 max!!!

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Old 07-23-2010, 09:29 PM
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Witterings, what about looking at the other ways of cranking up the sound on choruses and such? i.e. turning the stick around and hitting with the butt produces a fatter snare sound, open the hats to thicken the sound, or add an element to the groove to make it more/bigger/fuller. There's a lot more to music than louder/softer, which I'm sure you know intellectually but haven't adopted that next level into your playing yet.

I would challenge you at this point to really look at your dynamics, maybe check out David Garibaldi's Future Sounds to get acquainted with his sound level concepts, or watch a Groove Essentials video to dig how precise Tommy Igoe is with his grace notes and dynamics going from grooves to fills. I would also dare, yes I said dare you to play a gig without fills, using your dynamics and grooviness to drive that band.

Because if people are complaining, you have to either decide they are all idiots, or they have valued opinions as members of your band.
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If anyone has seen keith carlock play live, hes a great example of this discussion. He uses a whipping action, he puts in as much effort that is needed. He plays quiet, and then can turn it up REALLY loud, but it doesnt look like hes putting in anymore effort or hitting any harder. Its all technique. i bet if you put plugs in your ears, and told him to play normal, or soft, then loud, you'd hardly tell the difference. Its all skill. I also partly agree with the below comments about bonham. Sometimes he does hit hard, but not as hard as people think. Again it was technique. Just because someones arms and hair is flying all over the place and their face has a really, how can i put this, 'big' expression on their face, doesnt mean their hitting hard. If that makes sense? I think people see all this flying arms, agression ext and immediately think hes hitting stupidly hard.
The dude covering ZZ Top who was posted here in about a billion threads comes to mind.

Wasn't hitting the skins that hard at all.

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That said I'm sure we've all been to band practices where eveybody says the drummers too loud, my take is it's in too small a room with too small a PA. Used to get told it in a small pub that had open mic night as well.
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This was really the point I was trying to get across in the quote above and I don't think it's so much that I play that loud in comparison. If you took a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being quiet 10extreme on the loud front and 5 as middle of the road I'm probably a 6 for rhythm's and between a 5 and 7 depending playing fills on the fill / song.
Overpowering the other instruments = loud in comparison (to anything that it practically matters comparing to...). Talking about loud as a uniform decibel level is, in practical terms, meaningless.

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I think I just get frustrated when you practice in a room not much bigger than a single garage (garages in the UK are tiny compared to the US) and you're constantly holding back and yet on Sunday the same band will be playing to 2000 people with the kit going through the PA and not one person will say the drummer's too loud!

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I think some people thought I was saying I played insanely loudely which isn't the case it was more about other band members perception of how loudly you're playing due to the size of room you're playing in.

"Too Loud" IS relative to the room you're playing in, not just how hard you're hitting. If people tell you you're playing too loud, you are. If the room is small and the PA is small, and the drums overpower things, you're playing too loud. "Too loud" is a term that must be relative, it makes no sense to just judge it on a uniform decibel level.
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Old 07-24-2010, 08:36 AM
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Yes, you can choke the sound of your drums and they will lose resonance. Also, I personally think everyone should play with 5As, and not these baseball bat sticks that alot of rockers use. If you want more volume - mic your set.
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"Too Loud" IS relative to the room you're playing in, not just how hard you're hitting. If people tell you you're playing too loud, you are. If the room is small and the PA is small, and the drums overpower things, you're playing too loud. "Too loud" is a term that must be relative, it makes no sense to just judge it on a uniform decibel level.
This the point though that I was trying to make, so when you are in a small room you do play more quietly and personally I find that affects how I actually play which is what I find frustrating, I'd rather practice somewhere I don't feel so inhibited and as though you're constantly holding back.
Theres a couple of videos here of me playing, the sound qualities not great but at least you can get an idea that I'm not exactly smashing 7 shades of shit out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPY6v5RRcg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGzlaUcdWdU
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If you can learn to use your wrists more effectively, and learn how to get power out of them with a mere flick, then you should have no problem with volume.
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If you can learn to use your wrists more effectively, and learn how to get power out of them with a mere flick, then you should have no problem with volume.
This ^^^

Develop your wrists if you want to play with "authority" so to speak - and not get over tired from swinging your arms around all the time... also - using your wrists gives you finesse and helps with dynamic control...

At some point - the drum will not give you any more volume - so it's wasted energy to hit any harder.
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This the point though that I was trying to make, so when you are in a small room you do play more quietly and personally I find that affects how I actually play which is what I find frustrating, I'd rather practice somewhere I don't feel so inhibited and as though you're constantly holding back.
Theres a couple of videos here of me playing, the sound qualities not great but at least you can get an idea that I'm not exactly smashing 7 shades of shit out of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IPY6v5RRcg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGzlaUcdWdU
That's why you should focus on getting really good at playing anything with intensity at lower volumes. Being able to play gentle ballads well is obviously not a sufficiently wide range of dynamic control for your gigs, if you are being called too loud or play rubbish in smaller venues.

Having good dynamic control relative to what you're playing for a song is one thing, having good dynamic control with ANYTHING including high intensity stuff with good feel is a different skill, and important.

Not easy to develop, but an important basic skill.
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Hi all,

What's everyone's take on hitting the drums too hard ???

Apparently one critic was quoted as saying John Bonham would never make it as a drummer because he hit them too hard and when you take the likes of Aaron Spears into account (what a dude) personally I don't think it's possible....
Hmmm.... I know many will disagree but in my opnion, yes, a drummer can "hit them too hard." Sometimes subtlety is the key.

If your in a room which resinates too much sound and/or your in a confined space, you can lower volume by: using lighter sticks, use more wrist and less arm, use the smallest crash you have and/or try "hot rods" (seriously) if you are not trying to "wow" everyone with your unlimited energy.

Just a thought from around the dinner table
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