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Old 11-18-2005, 04:12 AM
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Default Re: holes in the kick drum....

I put a hole-less reso on and it sounded fantastic to me behind the kit. Played like that at three different gigs and we could never get a good sound - the mic picks up all these tones.
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Old 11-18-2005, 04:49 AM
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Default Re: holes in the kick drum....

When putting a mic on a kick with no hole in the resonant head, you're not going to get much of the click without using an additional mic on the beater side. Then the sound guy better know what he's doing because he will need to flip the phase on the beater mic.

Having a hole in the resonant head make the whole thing a lot easier because you can put the mic inside the shell and get the beater click from inside.

A five inch hole is similar to no hole. Your mileage may vary.
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Old 11-25-2005, 01:37 PM
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Default bass drum hole????

i see a lot of players with a hole in ther fort bassdrum head, but has that any big impact on the sound. i know you can put your mic in it but what else

and how do you make these holes. buy them or make them your own

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Old 11-25-2005, 01:38 PM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

I'm not too sure of the difference between closed and open reso heads on the bass drum as I have only ever used an open one.

You can buy them with the hole.
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Old 11-25-2005, 01:42 PM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

Yeah, with the hole, the sound can escape from the bassdrum quickly. And you can hear the difference.

If you want to make a hole your self, be very carefully. use a litlle plate or a 6' splash and cut all around it. Be very careful and watch to your fingers !
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Old 11-25-2005, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

Yeah, there is a big difference!

WITH HOLE: the sound is much shorter and it makes a real "plop" sound. You have a better control with your bass drum beater! I love 6" holes because there is a sound full of pressure...but if you have a big hole the sound is like you havn`t a resonat head.

NO HOLE: You have not so much control and the sound is more like a "plom".
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Old 11-26-2005, 07:41 PM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

Yea with a hole the sound is alot more controlled and has more of a short boom sound. to make it, get a lid from something like a big yogurt container, preferably 6 or 8 inches, and place it on the resonant side and use an exacto knife you cut around it but dont cut anywhere else or the sound will be ruined, believe me on that one.
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Old 11-27-2005, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

do you have to reinforce the hole with a ring or tape of some kind
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Old 11-29-2005, 07:29 AM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

you don't have to but i know some people who put rings on for looks and tape to make the edge smoother, but you dont have to
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Old 11-29-2005, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

If you want to reinforce with tape, here's a simple way:
Take the head off & place it face down on something smooth. Place an old CD where you want the hole & tape it down in overlapping strips, going past the edges by a couple inches. Cut around the disc with a razor knife & you're done. The tape will help prevent tearing, & this way the hole size is just about right. Big enough to mic through or to adjust that pile of sweatsocks you muffle with, but small enough to allow some resonance from the head you just cut.

FWIW, I took my ported heads off & replaced them with vented DW/Remo ebonys & like the sound better this way..
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Old 11-30-2005, 03:20 AM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

When i got my Sonor kit today, I had a 6" hole cut into it before I left the dealers. Also then had a Chrome guard put around it, which is protective, aswell as looking really good against the lugs and hardware. Bass drum sounds great, and feels nice and controlable!
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:19 AM
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Default Re: bass drum hole????

what i did was heat up an empty can on the stove and simply pushed it through the head. left a perfect circle and the edges were melted dull rather than being sharp.

does anyone have any preferences on where the hole is along the drum?
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Old 01-12-2006, 11:18 PM
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Default Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

What does cutting a hole in your front bass head do?
How big does it need to be for what effect?
What are good ways of getting a perfectly round hole?
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Old 01-12-2006, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

see i merged the threads so your answers are above. please do a search next time.

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Old 01-12-2006, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

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What does cutting a hole in your front bass head do?
How big does it need to be for what effect?
What are good ways of getting a perfectly round hole?
In most cases people just do it for mics. I've never felt it was necessary for anything else.
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Old 01-12-2006, 11:34 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

The purpose of the hole, as far as I know, is not to change the sound so much as it is to be able to put a mic inside, or adding or adjusting muffling without having to take the head off.

The hole should be big enough to easily stick your hand through, but if it's too big it will sound like there's not front head at all. The hole should also be offset from the center, and a couple of inches from the rim, to minimize it's impact on the front head's operation.

And I prefer the hot can method over cutting with an X-acto knife. I've done them both. Just make sure the can is very hot and make the hole very quickly.
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Old 01-13-2006, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

From what I've heard any hole larger than 7" is sonically the same as having no resonant head at all.
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Old 01-13-2006, 01:24 AM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

Ive always just taped an old cd to the head and cut around with an exacto knife. Works like a charm.
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Old 01-13-2006, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

If you're doing it for the purpose of miking the drum, make sure you put the hole high enough off the floor so the stubby boom stand can go in the hole. I cut one once too low, & couldn't get the boom in it. Oops!
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:49 AM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

I'M AN IDIOT!!! I got so excited earlier after reading all these ideas that I tried to cut a hole really quick, and screwed up my nice black resonant head. I'm now wondering if there is anything that I can use to line the hole, so you can't see how poorly I cut it. I use to have one of those metal rings on a sonor bass drum I had, but I don't know what they are called, or where to get em... Any ideas?
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

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If you're doing it for the purpose of miking the drum, make sure you put the hole high enough off the floor so the stubby boom stand can go in the hole. I cut one once too low, & couldn't get the boom in it. Oops!
Why didn't you just rotate the drum head.? A sideways logo might look funny, but hey, it's funtional.
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:31 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

Make sure you cut it in the right side (although i hope you are not that tardy)

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Old 01-13-2006, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

There is no point in cutting a hole anyway. It sounds better without.

If you really must cut a hole (for some strange reason) then make it about 4".
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Old 01-13-2006, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

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I'M AN IDIOT!!! I got so excited earlier after reading all these ideas that I tried to cut a hole really quick, and screwed up my nice black resonant head. I'm now wondering if there is anything that I can use to line the hole, so you can't see how poorly I cut it. I use to have one of those metal rings on a sonor bass drum I had, but I don't know what they are called, or where to get em... Any ideas?
'Holz' Reso head port protectors.
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Old 01-13-2006, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: Cutting a hole in the bass drum...How big, etc...

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There is no point in cutting a hole anyway. It sounds better without.

If you really must cut a hole (for some strange reason) then make it about 4".
Some like the sound of a bd with a hole in it. the air escapes quicker so there is less bounce (which some like) also just gives a drum a different sound. It depends on what type of music you play. But it is all preference and opinion. I completly dissagree with you and doubt i will ever play a bassdrum without a hole in the head.
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Old 01-20-2006, 03:57 AM
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Default bass drum hole

i just recently hit the studio and i ended up having to take my resonant head off my bass drum to mic it. now i'm looking into cutting a hole into it. any ideas how big the hole should be and what are those rings called you put on to cover the hole? do i need one of those rings?
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:01 AM
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Default Re: bass drum hole

i used a roll of duct tape and a highlighter to trace it. i dont use ring and it works awsome. just becareful when u cut it so id doesnt looke lopsided.
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Old 01-20-2006, 07:54 AM
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Bass drum porting is crucial to many purposes. I highly recommend it. The hole should be 4"- 6" (the bigger the hole, the less resonance your bd will have). Bigger than 6" basically renders the head useless, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the drum will sound like it doesn't have a resonant head on it at all. The hole should also be at least 2" from the edge of the drum, but not in the middle! Mapex is right that you can just use duct tape, but be sure you use some kind of reinforcement around the hole so it doesn't tear your head. I have one of the rings (they're called holz) and I think it's great. Save the piece you cut out, because you can use it as an impact pad where your beater hits your bass drum batter head.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:05 AM
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I would recommend using the plastic hole reinforcements. It will help in cutting the hole, (start by tracing the inside and cut just a wee bit bigger) and when some ham fisted sound man in a hurry is miking you up, you'll be glad you have that extra strength.
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Old 01-20-2006, 08:17 AM
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There was a big thread about this not too long ago...I know because I posted on it.
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Old 01-22-2006, 03:11 AM
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coffee can heated on a burner.....only easy way to do it
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Old 01-22-2006, 05:51 AM
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I use Chrome 'Holz' (6") on my bass drums placed around 1.5" or 2" from the edge on the head depending if the head has a internal muffle ring or not, they are pretty easy to fit as long as you have a blade to cut the head as you have to first stick the inner ring onto the inside of the head where you want the hole to be obviously then cut around the inside of the ring on a slight angle then you have to clip the outer chrome ring into the inner ring until both rings are sealed all the way around with the adheasive tape thats attached to the contact faces on both rings etc you get the point and its easy as hell and they look hot and are really durable never heard of one being broken yet.
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Old 01-24-2006, 02:38 PM
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Default Bass Drum Holes

Bit confused...I know what they do and everything...its just, how do u do it....or the best way..?

Iv seen things you can buy for them in stores, or do people just trace round something for a hole?

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Old 01-24-2006, 02:54 PM
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I dont really understand...

Do you want to make a hole on your front bass drum head?

If so you dont need too, you can buy reso heads with holes already in them.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:05 PM
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I was thiking of putting a hole on the front of my bass drum skin yeah...

Ways without buying a new skin is what my question was, thanks.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:07 PM
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Don't go cutting into your head ! Go to the store and get a head with the hole or holes that you want in the head. I'm not sure if you have ever tried cutting one before but I did and it sounded really bad after time. It split and the air coming out vibrated the 2 pieces together and sounded really bad. Note that was on a set that was miced. I would spend the money and buy on with a hole in it. Everyone makes them.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:17 PM
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I'll second the above, its better too have 2 heads anyway, I was at a gig with a closed head on my bass drum, went too the toilet, came back out and found the enginner cutting a hole for the mic with a stanley knife. I nearly knocked him out!

If you do want too though I would suggest doing it with a plastic template and a very sharp blade.
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Old 01-24-2006, 05:18 PM
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There is a product called Holz, it's a silver or gold ring that clips on to the hole and keeps the head from cracking. It comes w/ instructions and is easy to do. You can buy them online at drumbuilder.com. They do cost about 15us and a new head is prabably about 25. Good luck:)
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Old 01-24-2006, 07:27 PM
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As said before, there is a pretty big thread about bass drum holes...if i run by it ill throw a link.
The method that has never failed me is taping a cd to it then cutting around it with a sharp exacto knife.
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:18 AM
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If you're going to put a hole in your resonant head, you might as well do it right. Your local drum shop should have a kit that you can use to do it.
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