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Old 04-15-2015, 12:30 AM
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I use rods mainly for home practice so as to keep the volume down just a little. The individual rods break quite easily so that they're pretty knackered after what seems like not a lot of use.

Is this common? I've only ever bought ProMark Hot Rods. I do get double the wear from them by taking the handle binding off, turning them around and binding the "frayed" end, but still ...

Is there a more durable brand, or am I abusing them or expecting too much of them?

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Old 04-15-2015, 12:49 AM
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Is there a more durable brand, or am I abusing them or expecting too much of them?
Have you tried Regal Tip Blasticks (plastic rods)? They make a version with a wooden handle that you can flip around and use like a regular drumstick, but you still have the plastic rods for softer volume.
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Old 04-15-2015, 01:23 AM
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Vic Firth Tala Wands are more durable as well because they have a foam core that absorbs some shock.
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Old 04-15-2015, 06:59 PM
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Vic Firth Tala Wands are more durable as well because they have a foam core that absorbs some shock.
I have only used the birch ones, but I agree. They splinter a lot less, but are still pretty fragile, even with soft playing. Once one rod breaks, the foam leaks thru and makes them unusable.

I am deciding between the bamboo and flat (TW4) versions for my next try. Anyone try those?
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Old 04-15-2015, 11:21 PM
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Thanks. I'm going to give the plastic ones a go.

Cheers all.
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:47 AM
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This is a little bit off topic, may a lot off, but I just need to ask. Why do you guys like the rods at all? I've tried them, but just cannot stand the sound. They make the drums sound sloppy and indistinct, and the cymbal sounds are just a train wreck. Not being critical of anybody or passing any judgement on your judgement, but I just don't get it. Why not use brushes, instead? Wire brushes. I tried the synthetic brushes, but they just sound like miniature rods. Just seems to me that between sticks and brushes one would have all bases covered.?????????

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Old 04-17-2015, 02:04 AM
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[quote=gdmoore28;1346379]This is a little bit off topic, may a lot off, but I just need to ask. Why do you guys like the rods at all?]

Well, Some of these guys said it all ready. Practice. They don't need to sound the greatest in order to get the idea of what you are playing. I've also used them a lot in churches. However, that being said, I have since found products that give me the low volume I want without losing good tone. Boso sticks are made out of bamboo and flex a good deal. Very light. A pair of 7a's gives me the same volume as a pair of hot rods.

Also, check out the 1994 "MTV Unplugged" showing of Nirvana. Story goes that Kurt was going to pull the plug because they couldn't find a way to make the drums quieter. Then, Dave came upon a pair of the newly invented hot rods the day before the show. The show went on and is on YouTube for the rest of us to enjoy.
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Old 04-17-2015, 02:50 PM
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This is a little bit off topic, may a lot off, but I just need to ask. Why do you guys like the rods at all? I've tried them, but just cannot stand the sound. They make the drums sound sloppy and indistinct, and the cymbal sounds are just a train wreck. Not being critical of anybody or passing any judgement on your judgement, but I just don't get it. Why not use brushes, instead? Wire brushes. I tried the synthetic brushes, but they just sound like miniature rods. Just seems to me that between sticks and brushes one would have all bases covered.?????????

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Although I use them (as I said) mainly for practice, I find they do have their uses. I used them all through a gig once in a VERY small pub where sticks were just too loud. It wasn't ideal, but it kept the landlord happy. (I know, I know, I should be able to control volume with sticks, but I find my dynamics go out of the window when I'm just concentrating on being quiet. I am not that good a drummer I'm afraid).

With my current band I play one number with rods, it's a train beat but the song is up tempo rock: sticks just sound too sharp and brushes are too quiet and sound a bit too "country". Rods take the edge off (I suppose that's the "indistinct" you mention), and sound just right. The entire band prefers the sound with rods.

In a previous band I played one number with rods, for the same reason - they gave better sound for the particular song.

If you hit the cymbal with the red binding half way up the rod you get a proper cymbal sound. I agree if you hit cymbals with the actual rods all you get is a completely pathetic tinkle!
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Old 04-22-2015, 10:48 PM
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With my current band I play one number with rods, it's a train beat but the song is up tempo rock: sticks just sound too sharp and brushes are too quiet and sound a bit too "country". Rods take the edge off (I suppose that's the "indistinct" you mention), and sound just right. The entire band prefers the sound with rods.
I'm in the same boat, there are certain times when you need that country/train beat. Sticks are sometimes too sharp and brushes too quiet. I play with a jump swing group sometimes, and I use the hot rods for a few songs that require that beat, otherwise it is sticks or brushes.

Coming from jazz/swing I'd never had any exposure to them prior to this group, and really haven't figured out what their purpose is (other than the country/train beat)...
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Old 04-23-2015, 01:14 AM
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Although I use them (as I said) mainly for practice, I find they do have their uses. I used them all through a gig once in a VERY small pub where sticks were just too loud. It wasn't ideal, but it kept the landlord happy. (I know, I know, I should be able to control volume with sticks, but I find my dynamics go out of the window when I'm just concentrating on being quiet. I am not that good a drummer I'm afraid).

With my current band I play one number with rods, it's a train beat but the song is up tempo rock: sticks just sound too sharp and brushes are too quiet and sound a bit too "country". Rods take the edge off (I suppose that's the "indistinct" you mention), and sound just right. The entire band prefers the sound with rods.

In a previous band I played one number with rods, for the same reason - they gave better sound for the particular song.

If you hit the cymbal with the red binding half way up the rod you get a proper cymbal sound. I agree if you hit cymbals with the actual rods all you get is a completely pathetic tinkle!

OK, I see why you use them. Have you tried the synthetic (plastic) brushes? As stated previously, I hate them, but considering how you use the rods, the plastic brushes would seem to be the answer. With those you can slide the collar in and out to adjust the spread for harder or softer sounds, and they don't splinter or break up like rods. They won't have quite the definition that the wooden rods have, but at least you won't have splinters in your hair.

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Old 05-06-2015, 04:38 PM
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Although I use them (as I said) mainly for practice, I find they do have their uses. I used them all through a gig once in a VERY small pub where sticks were just too loud. It wasn't ideal, but it kept the landlord happy. (I know, I know, I should be able to control volume with sticks, but I find my dynamics go out of the window when I'm just concentrating on being quiet. I am not that good a drummer I'm afraid).

With my current band I play one number with rods, it's a train beat but the song is up tempo rock: sticks just sound too sharp and brushes are too quiet and sound a bit too "country". Rods take the edge off (I suppose that's the "indistinct" you mention), and sound just right. The entire band prefers the sound with rods.

In a previous band I played one number with rods, for the same reason - they gave better sound for the particular song.

If you hit the cymbal with the red binding half way up the rod you get a proper cymbal sound. I agree if you hit cymbals with the actual rods all you get is a completely pathetic tinkle!
I agree, I like rods (Pro Mark Lightning Rods) for a softer attack than sticks in some songs (and for some quiet venues). You can actually get a nice snare tone with them at low volumes by playing rimshots! I can't do that with plastic brushes or I would use them.
I would use the rods more often but they break so easily, and they cost more than sticks!
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Old 05-06-2015, 06:11 PM
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I have only used the birch ones, but I agree. They splinter a lot less, but are still pretty fragile, even with soft playing. Once one rod breaks, the foam leaks thru and makes them unusable.

I am deciding between the bamboo and flat (TW4) versions for my next try. Anyone try those?
I have been using the birch ones, which I agree are better than regular rods in that you don't have splinters all over the place. I just got the bamboo versions and haven't had a chance to really evaluate them, but they seem to be more sturdy and have a brighter sound than the birch.
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Old 05-07-2015, 11:40 AM
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For soft practice I use Broomsticks, a good way to keep the volume down but not really alter the way I play. Not for everyone but useful to some.
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Old 05-07-2015, 05:49 PM
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For soft practice I use Broomsticks, a good way to keep the volume down but not really alter the way I play. Not for everyone but useful to some.
These can be a lot of fun, especially on hand percussion instruments. I'm a big fan of using these on cajon in particular.
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Old 07-02-2015, 09:54 PM
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Use electrical tape 1cm from the tip and where the rod hits the rim if you rimshot. Change the tape once in a while if it gets lose or beaten up. Life of the rods is at least x10 and the sound is also better.
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Old 07-03-2015, 02:45 AM
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Vic Firth Tala Wands are more durable as well because they have a foam core that absorbs some shock.
Definitely. I got tired of picking up all the splinters from other rods and tried both the Talas with good results. Nice balance too.
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Old 07-03-2015, 07:22 AM
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Lets see, there's Stewart, Steiger, Dangerfield, Coleman, Ke uh....sorry, I should have read what this was about instead of just jumping in with the last names of famous Rods....
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