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Old 07-06-2010, 03:20 AM
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Default Coated resonent heads?

I have heard of old jazz drummers doing this as to use both sides of toms so they get a longer lasting head...and rock guys because it's darker. But i saw this video of Brian Balde using coated resonent heads on his floor tom, would this give you a jazzy sound? If its good for "Compass", it should be good for me no? Or is it better to use them for recording?

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Old 07-06-2010, 04:07 AM
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When I first started playing that was all that everyone used was coated on the top and bottom.
Coated resos give a nice warm sound both live and while recording.
I use coated resos sometimes to this day.

I remember when I first saw a clear head on a tom, I thought that it was the coolest thing!
It must have been in the early seventies that I first saw clear heads.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:14 AM
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I'm currently using Remo vintage Emperors top and bottom on my toms. Love it.

You can't go wrong with black dots top and bottom, though.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:31 AM
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

Two ply coated heads as resos really warm things up especially on a 16x16 floor tom
as Bo said.
I tried to find out when the first Black Dot heads were made and I couldn't find any info as of yet.

I think that Remo was first with clear and black dot heads.

Even the bottom head on my snare was white when I first started playing. It wasn't coated of course.
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Old 07-06-2010, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

I've used coated G1's and Strata 1000's as reso heads, and I'm currently using Aquarian Modern Vintage heads top and bottom.

Warmer and more mellow is exactly how I'd describe the sound...and especially in the case of the paired Modern Vintage the tone is very thick. Personally, I love the sound and it's definitely something you wouldn't get from clear heads.

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Old 07-06-2010, 05:58 AM
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I found it, Evans made the first clear heads in 1968.
They were called Glass Heads.

"As the years passed, Evans would quietly become a technological leader in the business. They would introduce "sparkle heads," which led, in 1968, to the very first clear, or "glass" heads. And in the early 1970's, they invented Hydraulic drumheads."

From the Evans Site.

When I bought my Gretsch kit new in 1974 it came with all coated heads on the toms.
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:00 AM
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Ya' gotta thank Ringo for everyone getting on the "dead drum" bandwagon. But I believe he started it by using calf heads tuned down.

Everytime I see a Beatles Tribute band, every time they play "Come Together", I see the towels come out to cover the tom heads every time!

I believe the black dots happened around the late '60s too. And don't forget Ludwig also made their own dotted heads: silver dots and white dots. I still have a couple of those for a 22" bass drum around here somewhere...
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thanks, I might try coated ambassadors over coated diplomats and see how that sounds....some experimenting to do, pitty the heads cost like €20
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

You may also consider using Ambassadors top and bottom. After trying matched sets of a couple different kinds of heads I think there is something to having the same tone from the same head top and bottom that gives the toms a fuller and rounder sound.
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

I second using the same head top and bottom.

The films vibrate the same, which gives a more even sound. Full and vibrant, and a smoother sound than a clear bottom.

Another combo that works nice is a CA top, Smooth White Ambassador on bottom.
The White film is the same as the CA uses but it's just not coated. it's sort of "in between" a clear and coated sound. I have this on 2 kits right now, and it's very nice.

A thinner head on the bottom (Dip) will give you a shorter sustain ( I've used CA top, CD bottom before).

When I started playing (1976), the bottom head on my Acrolite was a hazy, whitish color too.
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all this great talk about coated top and bottom, what music would it be best for, I am talking about a jazzy funk setting??
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all this great talk about coated top and bottom, what music would it be best for, I am talking about a jazzy funk setting??
You can't really pigeonhole the sound that way. Yes, some jazz guys have been known to use coated resos. Others don't. In anyy one category of music you'll have a wide range of sounds that drummers are going for.

Meanwhile, Bonham typically used coated Emperors over coated Ambassadors on his wood drums. You don't see that terribly often from rock drummers, but it gave him the sound he wanted. Not likely he was going for a jazz sound per se.

Why not get a coated reso for just one drum, say, a 12" rack tom, and try one out? See how it compares to your clear reso and you'll get an idea of what a full kit of them would sound like.
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

from everything i've read and heard from here, music stores, drummers and sound guys it makes little difference what heads you use where. it's all just a preference for the sound their creating. currently i have evans onyx top and bottom on all my toms and batters on the bass and snare, good heads, awesome sound but i'm not digging them as a reso, and not really liking the snare so much either. i might end up going to a coated single ply after playing with some tuning more if i can't find a sound i really love.

seems most of the music store guys around here are running the same heads top and bottom (usually clear ec2's). the real trick is trying as many combos as possible and tune each one as many ways as possible until you stumble on the one that works best for you. it's a very long and daunting task, especially when your a beginner such as myself.....
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thanks, I might try coated ambassadors over coated diplomats and see how that sounds....some experimenting to do, pitty the heads cost like 20
The coated Diplomat on the bottom creates a great sound. Punchy and warm at the same time.
I recommend that you try it!
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The coated Diplomat on the bottom creates a great sound. Punchy and warm at the same time.
I recommend that you try it!
I think I will! And I'll follow drumtechdad and buy it for my 12" tom first
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Old 07-07-2010, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

A coated Diplomat underneath of an 8x12 tom gives just a bit more sustain than say a concert tom with no reso. It is almost like a deep snare with the throw set to off and the batter tuned to medium tension.
Coated Dips were very popular on toms during the sixties for Rock and Funk playing.
You get that Grand Funk Railroad sound.
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I use remo vintage emperors on top and coated diplomats on the bottom. gives a really nice warm sound. i think ill keep this setup when my luddies get here!!!
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Old 07-08-2010, 04:59 AM
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yea i love em on resos, and i play metal and hard rock, i discovered how much i luv the sound on accident because i forgot to order a 10 inch clear ambassador for my rack tom so i used an unused coated 1 that i had lying around for the reso (under my aquarian response 2) and it has the perfect sound, nice and punchy with an awesome tone, id reccomend it
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

I recently tried a clear diplomat on the reso side of my toms, I like the sound I got out of them, used a coated Ambassador on the batter, clear diplomat on the reso.
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Old 09-25-2010, 05:11 AM
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I've used coated G1's and Strata 1000's as reso heads, and I'm currently using Aquarian Modern Vintage heads top and bottom.

Warmer and more mellow is exactly how I'd describe the sound...and especially in the case of the paired Modern Vintage the tone is very thick. Personally, I love the sound and it's definitely something you wouldn't get from clear heads.
I've thought about doing Modern Vintage batters and resos too to get, as you describe, a nice thick tone.
Are they both the same thickness or did you do medium over thin?
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Old 09-26-2010, 07:26 AM
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

I'm using medium top and bottom except for the 10", where I'm playing thin over medium. To my ear 10's sound a little clunky with batters that are too thick. Putting the thin on top made the overall tone a little clearer and more pleasant.
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Default Re: Coated resonent heads?

I know this is an old topic, but listen to Benny's toms in this clip. The kit is his Beech SQ2 with vintage thin shells. The heads are Coated Emperors over Coated Ambassadors.

I tech'd for Benny at his clinic here a year or two ago now. He didn't bring his SQ2 kit, so the rider called for a Sonor Force 3007 22, 10, 14, 16, Giant Step pedals, 13x7 special edition snare and a 12x5 Force 3007 side snare. The heads were Coated Ambassador over Ambassador Snare Side on the snares, Coated Emperors over Coated Ambassadors on the toms, Clear PS3 on the kick batter and stock reso with a port.

They are tuned slightly higher than you would think, especially because of the nice thick deep warm tones you hear. That is the MAGIC to his tone. Nothing more!
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