Beginnner at jazz drums need help...Plllleeeeaaaaseee

[Blankso]

I can't find a teacher AT ALL (I have been searching for months), so I geuss I have to teach myself or whatever. I mainly want to learn becuase I have been getting into Bebop and Fusion and I would love to be good enough to play in a band that plays those. So I have a few questions...

1. Is there any GOOD lessons I can take online?
2. Any DVDs that help with begginner Jazz?
3. Whats another ride cymbal pattern I can practice with other than the typical "ting-ting-tingting-ting-tingting..."?
4. If I practiced this stuff about 2-3 hours a day, when do you think will I become decent enough to use it in a band?
5. Are there any albums that you can suggest that are not to difficult to where I can copy the drummer?


And yes, I can already play the drums, I do practice the rudiments (I practice the crap out of them cuz there too fun), and PLEASE don't mention books. I have tried books many times and I suck at them.

[wy yung]

Originally Posted by Blankso

I can't find a teacher AT ALL (I have been searching for months), so I geuss I have to teach myself or whatever. I mainly want to learn becuase I have been getting into Bebop and Fusion and I would love to be good enough to play in a band that plays those. So I have a few questions...

1. Is there any GOOD lessons I can take online?
2. Any DVDs that help with begginner Jazz?
3. Whats another ride cymbal pattern I can practice with other than the typical "ting-ting-tingting-ting-tingting..."?
4. If I practiced this stuff about 2-3 hours a day, when do you think will I become decent enough to use it in a band?
5. Are there any albums that you can suggest that are not to difficult to where I can copy the drummer?


And yes, I can already play the drums, I do practice the rudiments (I practice the crap out of them cuz there too fun), and PLEASE don't mention books. I have tried books many times and I suck at them.

Where do you live?


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[Blankso]

Originally Posted by wy yung

Where do you live?


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I live in Riverside, CA

[wy yung]

Try here:

http://www.google.com.au/search?sour...iverside%2c+CA

[wy yung]

Try these.


http://www.themusikplanet.com/

http://www.musikalessons.com/drumlessonsriverside.htm

http://takelessons.com/riverside-ca/drums-lessons

There are plenty more.

[Blankso]

Originally Posted by wy yung

Try these.


http://www.themusikplanet.com/

http://www.musikalessons.com/drumlessonsriverside.htm

http://takelessons.com/riverside-ca/drums-lessons

There are plenty more.

WHAT!? Aww man. everytime I tried the search only one popped up and that store isnt even open anymore

[zakhopper316]

ok, can you read basic music? if so go to google and put in free jazz drum lessons and do
one websites exercises then the next one and the next one and the next ect. trust me there
are alot i just googled it, i checked out freedrumlessons.com and they had a good bit of stuff

im sure there are some great videos for jazz, i just haven't seen any but im sure a search
will show some

you do not want to worry about any other ride patterns yet, trust me, you need to burn the
normal ride pattern into your memory, and basic does not mean easy, some of the most
advanced tunes still incorporate this pattern,

first focus on 8th note bass and snare drum patterns with the basic ride pattern, then work
on triplet bass and snare drum patterns with the basic ride patterns

if you practice for hours a day, you will see a huge difference in a week, my guess is that
in 2 weeks to 3 weeks you will have a good grasp of 1 bar 8th note patterns.

it will take a while before you can play a chart version replica of a popular jazz tune but
what you can do is pick a song and just swing to it

[bromasi]

Any books by John Riley

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[Drums101]

If you want to learn jazz well you are eventually going to play through syncopation by ted reed and advanced techniques for the modern drummer by Jim Chapin.

Mine as well start on those now. They help a lot.

[zakhopper316]

Originally Posted by Drums101

If you want to learn jazz well you are eventually going to play through syncopation by ted reed and advanced techniques for the modern drummer by Jim Chapin.

Mine as well start on those now. They help a lot.

i agree with syncopation but advanced techniques by chapin is one of the most non musical
non swing book out there, it would build coordination but there are books that are alot more
musical and contain things you will actually use in jazz drumming to build coordination
like joel rothmans fantastic amazing jazz drum book

[Dedworx]

Originally Posted by Blankso

I can't find a teacher AT ALL (I have been searching for months), so I geuss I have to teach myself or whatever. I mainly want to learn becuase I have been getting into Bebop and Fusion and I would love to be good enough to play in a band that plays those. So I have a few questions...

1. Is there any GOOD lessons I can take online?
2. Any DVDs that help with begginner Jazz?
3. Whats another ride cymbal pattern I can practice with other than the typical "ting-ting-tingting-ting-tingting..."?
4. If I practiced this stuff about 2-3 hours a day, when do you think will I become decent enough to use it in a band?
5. Are there any albums that you can suggest that are not to difficult to where I can copy the drummer?


And yes, I can already play the drums, I do practice the rudiments (I practice the crap out of them cuz there too fun), and PLEASE don't mention books. I have tried books many times and I suck at them.

buy groove essentials 1.0 by tommy igoe. the dvd, cd, book package. it covers jazz but also a bunch of other styles so you can work on a variety of things.

stick to the same ride pattern until you can play whatever you want with the other limbs against it. after that you can break up the patterns and improvise it based on your musical situation.

listening is to me the most important thing but books are important. despite your please no books, buy the art of bop drumming by john riley. and stop telling yourself you suck at them. you won't. the art of bop has a lot of good text to read and think about and the exercises are progressive and geared towards playing music and thinking musically.

time frame of being band ready is up to you really, but if you're putting in hours a day i don't think it would take you long at all. just stay positive and know you're improving and will get to your goals in time.

try and keep time to "kind of blue" by miles davis, and "nightrain" by oscar peterson. those albums are what i started on. don't worry about exacts to start with, just try and feel the ride cymbal with those tunes.

and in general just keep time to any slow or medium tempo song. listen for the form of the tune and how your playing feels. putting time into a strong foundation will allow you to expand your playing much easier.

[drum5]

A huge part of jazz as well is listening. Every chance you can, listen to jazz standards and watch videos of groups playing jazz. Of course, you must still practice.

Between listening, practicing (Art of Bop, Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer, New Breed, etc;), studying with a teacher, and playing with people, you will find you will advance quickly.

[groovemaster_flex]

*start shameless self promotion*

If you have a paypal account, internet connection, and webcam, I can teach you jazz drums via skype and msn messenger.

$20 a half hour. I go to university for jazz drums. No books required.

*end shameless self promotion*

as for now, just read through syncopation, left hand plays snare line (or right foot plays snare line), right hand plays swing, 2 and 4 on hats. simple enough

[con struct]

Originally Posted by groovemaster_flex

*start shameless self promotion*

If you have a paypal account, internet connection, and webcam, I can teach you jazz drums via skype and msn messenger.

$20 a half hour. I go to university for jazz drums. No books required.

*end shameless self promotion*

as for now, just read through syncopation, left hand plays snare line (or right foot plays snare line), right hand plays swing, 2 and 4 on hats. simple enough

But if you're currently a student of jazz drumming are you really qualified to teach jazz drumming?

[groovemaster_flex]

Originally Posted by con struct

But if you're currently a student of jazz drumming are you really qualified to teach jazz drumming?

He said beginner, I am qualified to teach that. I'm also a professional teacher at a number of music schools and I teach privately.

But aren't we all students? If it gets to the point where I can't teach him anything else, I'll tell him to find another teacher. Easy peasy.

[zakhopper316]

your a university jazz student professional??

thats cool i guess, i completed a 2 year jazz degree at the collective but i am no professional, i guess if your a natural teacher then you could be a professional at teaching
or some thing, never scene a teacher like that tho.

[thedrumninja]

Hey Blansko,

You've got to listen to the music first if you really want to understand it. Jazz is a language and the only way to really understand it is to hear it. Check out Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, Thelonius Monka and Dave Brubeck.

You'll begin to absorb some of the vocabulary and when you find a teacher you will already have a head start.

[groovemaster_flex]

Originally Posted by zakhopper316

your a university jazz student professional??

thats cool i guess, i completed a 2 year jazz degree at the collective but i am no professional, i guess if your a natural teacher then you could be a professional at teaching
or some thing, never scene a teacher like that tho.

Haha, I've been teaching drums for two years, been playing for close to 8. I've studied under guys like Steve Mancuso and Mark Kelso, and currently studying with a guy named Barry Romberg (www.barryromberg.com).

All I do is play drums, whether it's session work, teaching, or in bands, it's how I make my money. I guess that makes me a professional, right? I play in an instrumental trio and a vocal quartet. I'm doing a double major in performance and education, This really isn't the place to rattle off my resume, so after I make this post, I'll stop.

Anyways, you want help with jazz drumming.

The very basics, think of comping as ups and downs. Downbeats are downs (1-4) and ups are all the in betweens (+'s).

Play a basic swing pattern (spang spang-a-lang) with hats on two and 4. Play 2 bars of downbeats on the snare, 2 bars of upbeats on the snare, 2 bars of downbeats on the bass drum, 2 bars of upbeats on the bass drum, repeat. Change that up at your leisure (2 beats of down beats, two beats of ups: (1) + (2) + 3 (+) 4 (+) ) Or something similar.

Another, basic swing pattern again, 2 4 on hats. Play triplet combinations between hands and feet (B=Bass S=Snare):

BSS BSS BSS BSS
BBS BBS BBS BBS
BSB BSB BSB BSB
BSB SBS BSB SBS
BBS SBB SSB BSS
SSB SSB SSB SSB
SBB SBB SBB SBB
SBS SBS SBS SBS
SBS BSB SBS BSB
SSB BSS BBS SBB

After you played through them as triplet combinations, play through them as quarter-note triplets. Practice them at various dynamic levels.

Another interesting thing if you're into world rhythms is to try playing a song or rhumba clave over top of the basic swing pattern.

Try filling in the triplets in the swing pattern.

So if your swing is 1 2 a3 4 a, then your triplet would be 1 (+a) 2 (+) a3 (+a) 4 (+) a. Play different hand feet combinations within that as well.

Also, dont forget that your hats don't always have to be played on 2 and 4. I find that a lot of new jazz drummers forget that the hats can be used to comp as well. Play them splashy, try playing them anywhere but 2 and 4, shift them over by an eighth note triplet. Anything.

Concerning ride patterns, just play variations on your 1 2 a3 4 a. I find a lot of guys are just playing the downbeats. You could also try 1 a2 a3 a4 a, or variations on that. Get creative, as long as it's swinging, tasteful, and most importantly, in time, who cares?

Good albums to listen to are "California, Here I Come" by Bill Evans and "Still Live" by Keith Jarrett. Ken Burns Jazz by Charlie Parker is another good one. Good drummers to listen to are Brian Blade, Peter Erskine, and Jack DeJohnette. You can find all of them on drummerworld.

[zakhopper316]

Originally Posted by groovemaster_flex

Haha, I've been teaching drums for two years, been playing for close to 8. I've studied under guys like Steve Mancuso and Mark Kelso, and currently studying with a guy named Barry Romberg (www.barryromberg.com).

All I do is play drums, whether it's session work, teaching, or in bands, it's how I make my money. I guess that makes me a professional, right? I play in an instrumental trio and a vocal quartet. I'm doing a double major in performance and education, This really isn't the place to rattle off my resume, so after I make this post, I'll stop.

Anyways, you want help with jazz drumming.

The very basics, think of comping as ups and downs. Downbeats are downs (1-4) and ups are all the in betweens (+'s).

Play a basic swing pattern (spang spang-a-lang) with hats on two and 4. Play 2 bars of downbeats on the snare, 2 bars of upbeats on the snare, 2 bars of downbeats on the bass drum, 2 bars of upbeats on the bass drum, repeat. Change that up at your leisure (2 beats of down beats, two beats of ups: (1) + (2) + 3 (+) 4 (+) ) Or something similar.

Another, basic swing pattern again, 2 4 on hats. Play triplet combinations between hands and feet (B=Bass S=Snare):

BSS BSS BSS BSS
BBS BBS BBS BBS
BSB BSB BSB BSB
BSB SBS BSB SBS
BBS SBB SSB BSS
SSB SSB SSB SSB
SBB SBB SBB SBB
SBS SBS SBS SBS
SBS BSB SBS BSB
SSB BSS BBS SBB

After you played through them as triplet combinations, play through them as quarter-note triplets. Practice them at various dynamic levels.

Another interesting thing if you're into world rhythms is to try playing a song or rhumba clave over top of the basic swing pattern.

Try filling in the triplets in the swing pattern.

So if your swing is 1 2 a3 4 a, then your triplet would be 1 (+a) 2 (+) a3 (+a) 4 (+) a. Play different hand feet combinations within that as well.

Also, dont forget that your hats don't always have to be played on 2 and 4. I find that a lot of new jazz drummers forget that the hats can be used to comp as well. Play them splashy, try playing them anywhere but 2 and 4, shift them over by an eighth note triplet. Anything.

Concerning ride patterns, just play variations on your 1 2 a3 4 a. I find a lot of guys are just playing the downbeats. You could also try 1 a2 a3 a4 a, or variations on that. Get creative, as long as it's swinging, tasteful, and most importantly, in time, who cares?

Good albums to listen to are "California, Here I Come" by Bill Evans and "Still Live" by Keith Jarrett. Ken Burns Jazz by Charlie Parker is another good one. Good drummers to listen to are Brian Blade, Peter Erskine, and Jack DeJohnette. You can find all of them on drummerworld.

thats a little much, i would start with 8th note combinations with the basic ride pattern
before you start with triplets, and dont get discouraged at take a while when your starting
out with jazz.

and those triplet patterns are wack dude, what happened to musicality, i find its better to teach things kids will actually use in a jazz tune to build independence.

[groovemaster_flex]

Originally Posted by zakhopper316

thats a little much, i would start with 8th note combinations with the basic ride pattern
before you start with triplets, and dont get discouraged at take a while when your starting
out with jazz.

and those triplet patterns are wack dude, what happened to musicality, i find its better to teach things kids will actually use in a jazz tune to build independence.

it's not about using it, it's about the coordination. because you can play double kick at 300 bpm, does that mean you're ever going to use it in song context? or play single strokes at over 1000 bpm, you're gonna do it all the time? it's something to build coordination, so you can lead into other things. what's so musical about playing lightning fast doubles?

again, i don't know where he's at right now, i'm just giving ideas.

[yesdog]

http://www.virtualdrummerschool.com/index.php?11405

Try that link. Also listen to a lot of jazz, there are plenty of jazz channels on I-Tunes and yahoo radio. Are there any local Schools offering jazz programs. I think the best way to learn jazz is to play jazz with other musicians. You can master every jazz book out there but you need to play and hear the music, thats the best education

[zakhopper316]

Originally Posted by groovemaster_flex

it's not about using it, it's about the coordination. because you can play double kick at 300 bpm, does that mean you're ever going to use it in song context? or play single strokes at over 1000 bpm, you're gonna do it all the time? it's something to build coordination, so you can lead into other things. what's so musical about playing lightning fast doubles?

again, i don't know where he's at right now, i'm just giving ideas.

yea, im sure it would build coordination and be a useful tool, ive just always been a
fan of building coordination with musical licks so i can use them in my playing as well.
like nocking out 2 birds with one stone. i guess its preference tho.