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Old 01-13-2006, 07:33 PM
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My Pedal is the most expensive thing on my kit. 350 p122tw double bass pedal amazing pedal i dont do heel toe i have a size 12 foot and im still growing.....
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Old 01-13-2006, 08:00 PM
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My Pedal is the most expensive thing on my kit. 350 p122tw double bass pedal amazing pedal i dont do heel toe i have a size 12 foot and im still growing.....
Read my previous posts
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The size of your feet isn't important, if your toe fits on the footboard you can play using heel-toe technique :-)
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:28 PM
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Default I've tried the heel-toe technique, but my foot seems too big!!! HELP!

I'm a size 11.5 and I can't use my heel on the the pedal because my foot's too big.

Any tips or suggestions or has anyone else had this problem?

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Old 01-24-2006, 06:33 PM
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what pedal are you using ?
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:34 PM
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Do an advanced search. There are already several threads on this.
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Old 01-24-2006, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: I've tried the heel-toe technique, but my foot seems too big!!! HELP!

I'm using a Tama Iron Cobra Jr. pedal.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:50 PM
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I'm a size 11.5 and I can't use my heel on the the pedal because my foot's too big.

Any tips or suggestions or has anyone else had this problem?

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I think you should try out another, bigger pedal īcause many of the new pedals are so small that you just canīt do the heel-toe. I use an old mapex and itīs great.
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:20 PM
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Default heel-toe technique

I just recorded some bass stuff using Jojo Mayers heel-toe technique. Click on the link below (it's the first video on the left of the page ) and tell me what you think.

http://www.myspace.com/inliber

P.S. - Is this the technique used to play fast singles on both feet?
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Old 02-06-2006, 05:43 PM
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I just recorded some bass stuff using Jojo Mayers heel-toe technique. Click on the link below (it's the first video on the left of the page ) and tell me what you think.

http://www.myspace.com/inliber

P.S. - Is this the technique used to play fast singles on both feet?


Sounds like your getting it, just try to keep it steady and count, 1234. you will get it! do it everyday and when you get tence, stop and start over, good luck my friend!
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:12 PM
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Thanks for the advice
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:06 PM
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ok you all no what they say about guys with big feet...they cant play the heel toe thing...so i have size 12 shoes and a dw 7000 pedal anyone who can help me leard this will be greatly admired...please help.
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NO I did not invent heel toe LOL
but I am the first one to have videos posted worldwide for drummers to learn this Simple technique and Now there are a Lot of videos showing heel and toe.
There is Nothing ballistic or Original about this technique it comes from tap dancing.
The WFD was kind enought to post a FREE tralier from my dvd and A LOT of drummers have learned the technique just from watching this trailer.
www.extremesportdrumming.com/wfdtv.htm
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Old 02-07-2006, 04:03 AM
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Hey Guy's, I have a size 12 shoe and have no problem with heel toe technique. I don't use this method all the time while playing however, I use the toe most of the time. If I am doing some solo work I will use heel toe and solo over top that. When I use heel toe I use Vruk Pedals. You can check them out at vrukpedals.com Take care and have fun!
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Wow, I could really use those. Would you more experienced players consider this cheating?
Btw, im 15, only 5'9, and wear about a size 12 shoe, and im sitll growing, and I have Eliminators. The footboards just not long enough.
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Old 02-07-2006, 06:31 AM
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Try going to VRUKPEDAL.COM I think your feet will fit now! Rich
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:18 AM
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Default whats the heel to toe method>?

how exactly do you do the heel to toe method.. because im trying to build up my bass speed..if ne one has a video that would be great
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:20 AM
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Default Re: whats the heel to toe method>?

Lots of posts around here about that, a think there's a couple videos as well, try using the search feature here, that will help alot. I personally don't use it, so I can't help you out much... but, yeah.
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Old 02-19-2006, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: whats the heel to toe method>?

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...highlight=heel

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Originally Posted by jammaster

The basic idea is to generate the first "down"- stroke launched from your heel up position, generated from your knee, not your toes (important!).Followed by a 2nd " up"- stroke, generated by the calf. So your leg goes :
up-down, up-down,(bam-bam, bam-bam..).

It LOOKS's like a heel toe action but really it is kne (heel) -toe. That's the secret !

i pay lot's of attention to the way i feel when i play. Dont' squeeze. Be patient let it grow naturally...experiment,observe yourself, use your immagination, relax, relax, RELAX, be patient! It took me a long time to cultivate and master this technique, and as im trying to improve it's still a work in progress to this day..
Learning a new technique is like growing a rare tropical plant. It requires sensitivity and all the above more than just hours of mindless shedding...

To conclude : wathever you do with your feet, allways be aware of were your balance and center is. Try to stay balanced and relaxed, it's important to every aspect of your playing and it starts with the way you sit and your pedal work. It's easy to loose center when getting into that kinda' right foot stuff!

Good luck,
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Also check out JoJo Mayer's video:
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/jojomayerbasss.html

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Old 02-19-2006, 06:50 PM
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i wear a shoe size of 9 1/2..what technique should i try?
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Old 02-21-2006, 12:12 AM
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i wear a shoe size of 9 1/2..what technique should i try?
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Old 02-21-2006, 02:22 AM
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Play barefoot or with socks
there is nothing worng with
that. I do it all the time. But
then again i wear a size 9.5.
But im also 14.
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Old 02-21-2006, 02:24 AM
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How much does it cost to get the heel thing onto ur pedal???
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Old 02-23-2006, 06:58 AM
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i saw the video from tiger bill. Is that about it? Thats about all there is to the heel-toe technique?
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Old 02-24-2006, 04:29 AM
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its been a few days since i asked this and one person has posted on this thread since and it has had nothing to do with my first question so i will ask it again.

How much does the heel thing cost to add to your pedal???
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Old 02-24-2006, 07:18 AM
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its been a few days since i asked this and one person has posted on this thread since and it has had nothing to do with my first question so i will ask it again.

How much does the heel thing cost to add to your pedal???
Please go to vrukpedal.com on the web and see all the information on these pedal attachments. Take care. Rich
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Old 02-27-2006, 02:49 PM
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Default heel-toe technique

Hey guys, i'm having trouble with the heel-toe technique...so please help me...give me some pointers and stuff..........also help me with doube bass drumming...tnx
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Old 02-27-2006, 03:03 PM
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Please use the "Search" feature. You will find all your awnsers in threads that already exsist!
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Old 02-27-2006, 03:13 PM
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oh sori......tnx man
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Old 02-27-2006, 03:14 PM
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well here we go again, there is alot of stuff out there on heel toe, if you got $$$ or you can surf around for threads or visit Tim Waterson's web site. I will try and help, heel toe to me means; complete balance while sitting in front of your kit. Find a compfortable position on your pedals and start to rock your foot heal to toe. These movements are very small, not lifting the feet to far from the pedals. Start slow, use metronome ALWAYS just try to find the teeder todder in the pedals if you know what i mean, "the sweet spot" if you are doing it correctly you will not be using alot of energy. This will take a while to develop but keep doing it every day and look around for double bass drummers and watch CLOSELY to what the feet are doing!
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Old 02-27-2006, 06:29 PM
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well here we go again, there is alot of stuff out there on heel toe, if you got $$$ or you can surf around for threads or visit Tim Waterson's web site. I will try and help, heel toe to me means; complete balance while sitting in front of your kit. Find a compfortable position on your pedals and start to rock your foot heal to toe. These movements are very small, not lifting the feet to far from the pedals. Start slow, use metronome ALWAYS just try to find the teeder todder in the pedals if you know what i mean, "the sweet spot" if you are doing it correctly you will not be using alot of energy. This will take a while to develop but keep doing it every day and look around for double bass drummers and watch CLOSELY to what the feet are doing!
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The WFD put up the FREE trailer for my dvd and it seems to have a ;lot of drummers
so here it is.http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/wfdtv.htm
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Old 03-03-2006, 08:31 PM
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ive been working on this technique for about a week. Im starting off real slow. something I noticed is that I can get a slightly different feel from going toe to heel. Is it bad to practice both ways?
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Old 03-03-2006, 09:02 PM
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ive been working on this technique for about a week. Im starting off real slow. something I noticed is that I can get a slightly different feel from going toe to heel. Is it bad to practice both ways?
NO do it both ways .
Heel toe is a natural transition if you play heel up.
For Heel down players toe to heel seems to work easier.
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Old 03-08-2006, 08:28 PM
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well i already posted this, but I saw the Tiger Bill video and I was wondering if that was about all there was to it. Besides all the little things you have to work on like exact positioning and of course practicing, but I was wondering if thats about all there is to it.
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I am trying to learn the heel toe method because it makes a lot of sense. To me it is sort of the Moeller Technique for your foot, multiple sounds from one stroke. The problem that I am running into is that I wear a size 15 shoe, and it is hard for me to do the technique when my foot is the same size as the foot board. Anyone have suggestions or may know of another technique that would be easier for me to execute with the same results?
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:16 AM
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I am trying to learn the heel toe method because it makes a lot of sense. To me it is sort of the Moeller Technique for your foot, multiple sounds from one stroke. The problem that I am running into is that I wear a size 15 shoe, and it is hard for me to do the technique when my foot is the same size as the foot board. Anyone have suggestions or may know of another technique that would be easier for me to execute with the same results?
Try angling your foot sideways so the heel is off the pedal to the i8nside this will give you MORE surface area for your foot.
Moeller involves a whipping Motion same as the hands and Heel and toe is simply alternating between your heel and toe.
The WFD has put up a FREE trailer and you will seeas I go faster I use just my heels for the strokes The Toe stays on the pedal.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:34 PM
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Im a size 11 and i would also like to learn heel toe. My question is should i start the kicker with my toe and then use the heel?
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Can the heel toe technique work with a Speedking Pedal or is it more suited for the more modern pedals?
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Can the heel toe technique work with a Speedking Pedal or is it more suited for the more modern pedals?
technique is technique it has nothing to do with equipment!

yeah, that's a good advice to angle your foot sideways, it's important to understand that the heel stroke is more a toe downstroke not a heel stroke
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Thanks Tim for replying, great advice! Another question that I have is dealing with sitting. I sit as low as the drum throne will go, always have. Is it better to sit high in order to execute this technique or does it matter?
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try to allways maintain your legs paralel to the ground, sitting too low (or too high) isn't a good thing, think of gripping a stick too far back, it's of the ballance, besides, a friend of mine, a pro drummer who gigs a lot, told me that he liked to seat low but then started to have pain in the back so he began to sit higher which helped to get rid of that problem.
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Old 03-11-2006, 05:13 AM
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technique is technique it has nothing to do with equipment!

yeah, that's a good advice to angle your foot sideways, it's important to understand that the heel stroke is more a toe downstroke not a heel stroke
\JUST to corect the confusion...
but I have been teaching drummers Quite a while now and most get it from the WFD trailer....LOL
The HEEL in my videos is A FULL downstroke and the Toe is also a FULL upstroke
after you get the speed up the heel controls ALL the motion as the toe stays put this is why I coined the term Toe down strokes exactly the opposite of heel down....
hope this clears up the confusion.
Yes after you get the technique down you can raise you heel to control the bounce and then you are doing heel up controlled doubles.
The next phase is ta actually tap the doubles with your foot Like Virgil....
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Thanks to both of you for great advice.
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