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Old 03-28-2010, 07:44 PM
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Im planning to buy a new drum set. Right now i'm using a Dw 7000 but should i stick with double pedal or try Double bass?
Has anyone try both? Please tell which one you prefer
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Double pedal:
Less expensive. easier to move if gigging, less floor space

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Can be tuned differently, looks cool to some. That's it.
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:53 PM
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I would probably go with the Double Pedal.

But the Double Bass is much cooler.
Looks better, and you can mount more toms if you need to.

It'd be a pain in the ass to haul around though.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:04 PM
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I'd do a search, as there are numerous posts on this subject that you could read.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:10 PM
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Double pedal:
Less expensive. easier to move if gigging, less floor space

Double bass:
Can be tuned differently, looks cool to some. That's it.
Different tuning can be very effective but only in the right setting and you'll need to have very advanced independence skills to get the best out of that feature. Another benefit to some is the more coherent feel of two kicks. You don't get the cross head bounce effect that many feel from a double pedal. Otherwise, as GD above.

I've played both ways. My favourite was 24" + 20". Not only a very different double kick sound but also gave me extreme single kick kit selection flexibility. Purely from a playing perspective, I'd go back to my double kick in a heartbeat. With my practical head on, and also in the knowledge my playing is now much less double kick reliant, I'm content with a double pedal. I hardly even use that these days. Mainly fill effects and a few select grooves, but I'm no metal player!
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:28 PM
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Also It's more comfortable to play with two kicks - you are centered as opposed to axed out with one kick so you feel (well at least I do...) more balanced. I feel it's easier to get around my kit... And yes, it looks really cool!

But depending on what you are planning to do with that kit well, you can't only take into account the cool factor... If I had everything my way I'd always use my double kick setup (it's a bit stupid but it was my dream as a kid to have two kicks like Aldrigde, Van Halen and many others)
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:36 AM
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I play in a metalcore band with 1 kick, 1 hi-tom and 1 floor-tom. I wouldn't ever consider getting 2 kick drums or getting a massive kit. It's just unnecessary. I get along fine with what I've got, I think 'metal' drummers think it looks cool and is more part of the image to have double kick drums.
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:40 AM
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Old 03-29-2010, 02:21 AM
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Although it looks as badass as Bruce Willis' ass and gives you some more tom and cymbal mounting options, i'm with freebird on this one.

If you're regularly gigging (or even occasionally) it'll be a bitch to bring around and it'll be your responsibilty. And unless you're headlining every show and have enough time to move around the whole kit to put in another kick, other bands will have to put up with it there too.

If you have the money, by all means get 2 kicks, but it'd be preferable to get a double pedal that can convert into 2 singles. I believe (someone correct me) the DW 9000 has this feature. That means you can use double kick at home and double pedal at gigs.

Or try the Sonor pedal that 'mimics' the feel of having two kicks but on one. If that makes sense. I can't remember what it's called but the beaters face the head as usual but the footboards are either side of them. If you like double kick this may appeal but keep in mind there's then the eternal debate to consider about secondary pedals not feeling as natural as main pedals.

The big metal bands' drummers use double kicks because they can and know it. They could easily use a double pedal but most of it is about the looks, but then some metal drummers have 2 different sized kicks at different tunings.

Although he's not a metal drummer, check out Terry Bozzio. It's ridiculous.

That's my $0.02

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Old 03-29-2010, 03:56 AM
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I would only get two kicks if I had a roadie and drum tech to carry & set them up for me. Plus at that point I'd probably be playing stadiums anyway, so space isn't really an issue.

Until then, double pedal.
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Old 03-29-2010, 04:02 AM
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Im planning to buy a new drum set. Right now i'm using a Dw 7000 but should i stick with double pedal or try Double bass?
Has anyone try both? Please tell which one you prefer
I've done both (but now do neither) and I like two bass drums for the sound and the feel off the left kick head, but definitely prefer the double pedal for transporting and setting up. Also, it's really hard to conveniently position toms and cymbals with that 2nd kick sitting there unless you get a rack.

I would stick with the double pedal. The pluses outweigh the minuses by a mile, IMO.
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Old 03-29-2010, 05:29 AM
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I dunno', I just think the double kick is just a bit outdated. We now have the double pedal technology which makes lugging around an extra of the biggest part of your kit pretty superfluous. If you feel unbalanced on your kit, just rotate your orientation around your snare and double pedal as if you had two kicks (i.e. Travis Barker live). And if it is about tom-mounting, you shouldn't be mounting toms on your kick anyway; you should be using a rack, so extra tom options shouldn't even come into play.

Unless you are just ultra advanced and looking to do some Bozio-esque work, I'd suggest you save your money and stick with the double pedal (or spend your saved money on upgrading to a DW 9002). It's lighter, easier to lug, easier to tune (as you only tune one drum instead of trying to match 4 heads) and just as effective unless you are using really advanced tuning techniques, styles, etc. or if you're just loaded to the teeth with money and wanna' get an extra kick just for shits, giggles, looks, and brags.

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Old 03-29-2010, 02:24 PM
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I moved from double bass to double pedal, what does that tell ya? lol

As for feeling more balanced etc that's easily fixed all you need to do is put your bass drum angling away from you and have the slave pedal brought to the other side and angled away from you, this imitates the feel of a double bass kit and it is how i use mine.

Pedals are so much easier to transport, the only thing I would say it is disadvantaged on is the rebound when doing fast 16ths as the head is still vibrating from your last stroke, but this doesn't pose much of a problem to me and I don't think to many others either.
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:53 PM
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I moved from double bass to double pedal, what does that tell ya? lol
Not much considering that's just one opinion but it has been repeated by everyone else that getting a double pedal is best.
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Old 03-30-2010, 05:48 AM
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I own both. I have plenty of room to transport, size and weight isn't a problem. Floorspace is never a problem.

When I use my single kick I have to cram the toms in to fit my hats, and I can't (well, comfortably) use all of my cymbals, because there just isn't enough room to reach all around without putting them in front of me. On the downside, I can't (comfortably) squeeze in my two floor toms if I have two basses, but using my second bass allows me to space out my toms and cymbals, and makes ME feel cooler.

And I think that we'd all agree that when you feel better about the kit you're sitting behind, you play better. Sometimes I have to practice on another drummer's kit, and he has a completely different setup. I'm just not comfortable behind it, and don't like it, and I usually don't play as good.

The main reason I own both is because I like to change my setup every other week or so, keep me on my toes! If you FEEL cooler/better about using two basses, and have the freedom to do it, I say go for it... If it doesn't make that much of a difference, or you don't have the ability to transport it (c'mon guys, its ONE more bass, not THAT big) don't do it.

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Not much considering that's just one opinion but it has been repeated by everyone else that getting a double pedal is best.
Well let me put it this way and I think everyone will agree, if I were a pro touring drummer and I didn't have to lug everything around, I would play 2 bass drums.

Truth of the matter is that a pedal takes up less floor space, makes it easier to position other bits of gear, no where near as heavy as a second bass drum and feels just as good on the feet. For those reasons I would stick to a double pedal.
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Old 03-30-2010, 11:12 AM
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This is just an opinion - I don't use double anything (barring floor toms) and I have no desire to.

Drum:
Heavy
Hard to carry around
Pain to set up
If you play on a small stage, takes up more room than needed

Pedal:
Less footprint
Lighter
Less expensive (unless you buy one that's ridiculously expensive)
Easier to move

Not exactly hard to see which I'd go for. =D
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:50 PM
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[quote=acegeister;681737][b]I dunno', I just think the double kick is just a bit outdated


I feel the same way about 4 piece kits, tinted windows, and monster trucks.

A double pedal feels awkward compared to two kicks. As I mentioned somewhere else, I ditched my double pedal, and Ill never use one again. The 5 extra minutes it takes you to walk out to the van, grab the 2nd kick and set it up isnt really a big deal.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:27 PM
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It is if you don't have much time to setup and soundcheck and if the stage is very small.
Not everyone has that much space. I and others on here certainly don't.

And besides, all the gigs i've played have been played on one kit. The headlining bands one. So you'll have to rearrange THEY'RE setup and somehow find another mic for the kick, hook it up to the PA, rearrange it to suit your playing and how you feel comfortable, then put the pedal on, setup the stands and toms around it and 90% of the time it's just much more hassle then buying a double pedal which is much lighter, much less expensive, much easier and quicker to setup and not many people will have enough time between 2 bands' sets to put on another kick. And also at my age (17) We don't have a van or a car. Because we're all the same age and the oldest of use is just getting driving lessons. So we have to carry our gear to gigs. Our guitarist carries his guitar on his back and, more than half the time, his amp in both arms as well, the same with our singer/guitarist as well as leads and pedals for the two of them and our bassist has his guitar, a bag with pedals and merch in it and my snare while i carry my double pedal and cymbals on each shoulder. So who else is there to carry another kick?

It's not always feasible for everyone.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:35 PM
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I play in a hardcore band, and I play double pedal and 1 rack and floor toms. Hauling two bass drums around would be a very big pain in the ass if your gigging and if you ever got to the point of touring, trailers arent that big, so your taking up precious band gear space. The only reason I think to have two bass drums is if you tune the differently, and that can only be applied to certain things. So I'd stick with the double pedal
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:15 PM
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Fact of the matter is that most clubs have small stages that may or may not accommodate two kicks. Especially when there's 2 or 3 other bands trying to squeeze in as much back line on (or around) the stage as possible.

If you were on a little DIY tour, having a double pedal might be the difference between getting to play your parts or not since you can't scout stage sizes ahead of time.

Then there the issue of mics. Some (most) clubs may not even have two kick drum mics.

Bottom line is that double-pedals are much more practical. I'd save the 2nd kick for the studio or when I was playing gigs where I knew for sure that my setup would fit and be mic'd properly.
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One way to recognize a gigging journeyman is that they tend to carry around as little stuff as necessary to get the job done. I've no issue with folks that are in it for the fun and want to bring the kitchen sink. Unless there isn't room for it, there are changeovers that are impacted by all that stuff, it takes too long to set up and the gig starts late/you can't leave until all that stuff is cleared, or other people on the bill are forced to work around it being left on stage.

As far as double bass drums are concerned, unless you are playing music like metal that requires constant bass drum sounds, I don't go for it. I grew up in the time of Ginger Baker and Keith Moon. That was a drummers way of looking as cool on stage as the guitarist with his wall of Marshall stacks. "Mine is just as big as yours." But other than solos where it was a fairly new fangled stunt (unless you had heard Louie Bellson) there wasn't any musical use for them. Folks like Bernard Purdie could rap away at patterns just fine with the pedals of the day. And now we have much better ones.

My double pedals just sit around. It feels like a crutch. At the last couple of GC drumoffs I went to, I heard enough R-L-LF-RF to last me the rest of my life. I'd rather work at doubles and triples with one good foot, as well as those Purdie boogaloo patterns. My hat is off to those folks who can do double and triple stroke rudiments on two pedals. Just that outside of a narrow type of music, it's a chops thing, not a musical thing. Just my $0.02, YMMV
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...I heard enough R-L-LF-RF to last me the rest of my life. I'd rather work at doubles and triples with one good foot, as well as those Purdie boogaloo patterns. My hat is off to those folks who can do double and triple stroke rudiments on two pedals. Just that outside of a narrow type of music, it's a chops thing, not a musical thing.
Ha ha! That's exactly me, too!

No matter how much my brain tells me that, "hey, every other drum on the kit is getting hit by two limbs, why should the kick be any different?" I still can't get past how much it all sort of sounds the same.

The only way I've been able to use double kick in a musical way is by only using flams. It's not a busy take-over-the-music approach, but it can really enhance the 1, or example. Don't know why I never hear drummers doing this...
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It depends on what one refers to as "musical".

But on a more "objective" side of things, I'm not teaching anybody anything new in saying that it depends in what musical context, when and where you use two feet on the kick. In that sense, it's no different from anything else that we use on the kit. Anything can be considered just as much as a "chops thing". Double pedal, two kicks - other than the aesthetic side and practical advantages or consequences - they are just tools, it's the drummer which makes good use of them or not... Within that given context.
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Fact of the matter is that most clubs have small stages that may or may not accommodate two kicks. Especially when there's 2 or 3 other bands trying to squeeze in as much back line on (or around) the stage as possible.

If you were on a little DIY tour, having a double pedal might be the difference between getting to play your parts or not since you can't scout stage sizes ahead of time.

Then there the issue of mics. Some (most) clubs may not even have two kick drum mics.

Bottom line is that double-pedals are much more practical. I'd save the 2nd kick for the studio or when I was playing gigs where I knew for sure that my setup would fit and be mic'd properly.
pretty much hit the nail on the head. :)
sure it would be nice to have two bass drums (i guess), but practicality is normally paramount.
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Or try the Sonor pedal that 'mimics' the feel of having two kicks but on one. If that makes sense.
Isn't that a Sleishman pedal?

Ironically, the quote/tagline for that Sleishman pedal is "It just makes sense..."

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The only way I've been able to use double kick in a musical way is by only using flams. It's not a busy take-over-the-music approach, but it can really enhance the 1, or example. Don't know why I never hear drummers doing this...
See, I'm totally the opposite. I'm of the view that double-kicks can HEAVILY influence the musicality of a piece of drumming.

There is nothing more I love than the sound of a quick burst of fast double-kicks in a single beat. High-speed triplets sound amazing, too.

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depends if the kick is triggered or not. if it's being used a lot (death/core) it probably is, in which case it normally sounds a bit samey. not always ofcourse, but the average bands are horrible to listen to.
now double kick when it's played by people like danny carey, yeah that's awesome. but hi-hat patterns still rule (imo). :)
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depends if the kick is triggered or not. if it's being used a lot (death/core) it probably is, in which case it normally sounds a bit samey. not always ofcourse, but the average bands are horrible to listen to.
now double kick when it's played by people like danny carey, yeah that's awesome. but hi-hat patterns still rule (imo). :)
I love hi-hat patterns but I have a weakness for double bass patterns thanks to Raymond Herrera, he is the most creative double bass player out there in my opinion, he does things with DB that no one ever has.

I agree also on sounding samey I went to see Lamb Of God a while ago and my God Chris Adler is a mean beast with his pedals, very creative. But the support, Job for a cowboy urgh, double bass onslaught just no creativity with it at all, constant double bass through every song. He did have some nice conversions from 16ths to triplets into 32nd notes and stuff like that which I love but for the majority it was solid 16ths at about 210 all the way through their songs. I was bored stiff and metal drumming should not be like that.
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I love hi-hat patterns but I have a weakness for double bass patterns thanks to Raymond Herrera, he is the most creative double bass player out there in my opinion, he does things with DB that no one ever has.

I agree also on sounding samey I went to see Lamb Of God a while ago and my God Chris Adler is a mean beast with his pedals, very creative. But the support, Job for a cowboy urgh, double bass onslaught just no creativity with it at all, constant double bass through every song. He did have some nice conversions from 16ths to triplets into 32nd notes and stuff like that which I love but for the majority it was solid 16ths at about 210 all the way through their songs. I was bored stiff and metal drumming should not be like that.
If you are really into interesting double bass stuff may I recommend you amongst the following:
- Virgil Donati (On the Virg, Planet X... Probably the most advanced double bass player out there)
- Dan Foord (check out SikTh for some crazy tech-metal)
- Aquiles Priester (Hangar, Angra... If you are into the power metal/progressive thing this guy is a human drum machine)

These guys play just as solid as on their recordings (I kid you not).

You should find all you need on YouTube and/or Myspace.
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