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Old 02-18-2010, 03:08 AM
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I've seen several threads on everyone's favorite sticks (mine are the Vic Firth Buddy Rich model). I am very interested in everyone's least favorite sticks, rods, brushes, whatever.

My least favorite sticks are any of the AHEAD drumsticks. I got a pair of 5Bs when I was young in my drumming career. I thought they were so cool and used them for several months despite the fact that I hated them from the get go. Finally I wised up and moved on. I'm also not a fan of thin, light sticks such as the Vic Firth Steve Gadd model.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:27 AM
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I would say my least favorite are all of the ones I don't use. Zildjian for one
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:28 AM
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Any sticks made by Zildjian. Used them for a while and was never happy with the durability. Great cymbals.....horrid sticks IMO.

I'm also not a fan of oak sticks. Used Promark oak 5A's and B's for a bit in the 90's. I found they jarred my hands. Whether real or perceived, it was enough for me to toss them and never look back.

And lastly, I've never cared for the sound of nylon tips either.

That just about covers my 'stick aversions'.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:33 AM
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I agree on the nylon tips. I have never been a fan of the sound they produce or the fact that they seem to break alot more than wood. Never ventured to the Zildjian sticks. I had always heard they were real cheap feeling so I could never bring myself to try them much less purchase them.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:53 AM
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I use Alex Van Halen Regal Tip sticks. About 20 years now. Heavier, longer....not for the average drummer. You must have some real punch! They last long...but I am a clean hitter too.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:11 AM
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I like the Vic Firth AJ2's. They are dreamy.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:14 AM
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I use Alex Van Halen Regal Tip sticks. About 20 years now. Heavier, longer....not for the average drummer. You must have some real punch! They last long...but I am a clean hitter too.
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I like the Vic Firth AJ2's. They are dreamy.
What about your least favourite sticks men? The OP's asking what you don't like.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:16 AM
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After many years of using good old hickory, I tried some Oak....broke on second rehearsal. (too hard/brittle)

I have used nylon tips for many years as well with not a single tip problem. I do like the sound of wood tips but they start to break apart.

I recently was given a pair of Hickory sticks from a private mfg. I have been through 4 rehearsals with them and they work as advertised. The design simply adds life to the stick.

Currently, my least favorite stick is:

anything made of Oak.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:20 AM
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I just got a set of Vic Firths Zoro sticks and do not like them at all. There kinda long and to thin. I love Zoro but he can have his sticks back. Also I never liked oak sticks.......Promark comes to mind I always hated them.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:20 AM
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Ahead sticks
Carbon sticks
Most Zildjian sticks (Dennis Chambers model are nice)


But I guess it's good to have that much choice in the market, now you can find the model that matches your exact playing stye, instead of having to "make do" with a pair thats only half of what you want them to be.
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I got two pairs of Ringo Vic Firth signature sticks many years ago. I'm sure it was just a fluke...bad batch or something...but the first one broke on the first stroke I hit on it, the second one broke before the first song was over, and the second pair didn't last an hour into playing. Like I said, I am sure it was a fluke, but I wasn't taking the risk to find out.
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Old 02-18-2010, 06:19 AM
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I wish I could buy drumsticks that are "pre-broken in". I hate the way new sticks feel the first week or two of playing. Sorry, random, I know. How are SilverFox sticks? I've only heard of them, never seen nor used them.

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Old 02-18-2010, 07:12 AM
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I absolutely can't stand nylon tips. They don't sound good on a ride at all.
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What about your least favourite sticks men? The OP's asking what you don't like.
I don't like big fat sticks. :)
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:58 PM
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I've never found a Pro Mark Stick I like. Too much shock, especially the oak ones. I'd have to agree with not liking oak.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:55 PM
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Least favorite is/was Ahead sticks. Way too top heavy and left marks in everything. I almost got carpal tunnel from them >:(.
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I wish I could buy drumsticks that are "pre-broken in". I hate the way new sticks feel the first week or two of playing. Sorry, random, I know. How are SilverFox sticks? I've only heard of them, never seen nor used them.
I honestly love them. Admittedly, they don't have the tons of options that you have with a bigger stick company, but the sticks that they have are really, really great...and there are enough models to accomodate all of my needs even through three bands and multiple theatre and studio jobs a year. There seems to be more consistancy in their sticks than in any other brand I've dealt with.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:20 PM
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What a seemingly odd topic. But c'est la vie. People seem very hard on Zildjian sticks. Zildjian has made great improvements to its design and manufacturing process and I have no problem with Zildjian sticks at all and in fact proudly use them. Zildjian is using a new type of laquer which really helps with grip and I find the sticks to be more consistent than any other brand. If your negative thoughts originate from a time in the past, give them another go. I think they are a quality product. To stay in line with the original post, I only own one pair of nylon tip sticks (just in case the session calls for that sound) and I have never found the occasion to use them. Truly, I just prefer the sound of wood on cymbals!

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Old 02-18-2010, 03:34 PM
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What a seemingly odd topic. But c'est la vie. People seem very hard on Zildjian sticks. Zildjian has made great improvements to its design and manufacturing process and I have no problem with Zildjian sticks at all and in fact proudly use them. Zildjian is using a new type of laquer which really helps with grip and I find the sticks to be more consistent than any other brand. If your negative thoughts originate from a time in the past, give them another go. I think they are a quality product. To stay in line with the original post, I only own one pair of nylon tip sticks (just in case the session calls for that sound) and I have never found the occasion to use them. Truly, I just prefer the sound of wood on cymbals!

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I agree with everything Paul just said about Zildjian being improved in a serious, serious way. He also knows how much investigation I did before deciding to endorse them myself. A lot of people mistakedly equate a light stick with a cheaper stick when sometimes it's just about having a light stick that can behave like a heavier stick. And Paul's also right about the grip issue, which is especially important to those who want to keep their's as loose as possible. I really like the Chambers stick especially, and do not say this in a sell out way at all. I really believe it is a great stick especially for dynamics, dexterity and getting around the set.

There's also a versatility advantage. I played four different kinds of gigs recently and there was a time when I would have used a different stick for each gig. I just don't feel that way anymore.

But yeah, some of you are probably right about the older sticks. Like many of you I immediately broke the first pair of Zildjians I ever owned when I rarely break sticks. But yeah, in the last two years especially, a big change for the better.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:54 PM
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Least favorite Pro Mark anything.

Silver Fox are GREAT!!!!!! Hard to find but worth the effort!
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promark elvin jones.....pro mark ed shaughnessy...( i'm a sucker for the names)
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Nylon tips sound like garbage on all of my cymbals, but I hate really big and thick drumsticks. Vic Firth's Rock sticks come to mind
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I hate skinny sticks. I got pretty beefy hands so I need a lot to hold on to, so I tend to go with the bigger stick, like the Zildjian Tr Cool sticks or if I can't get those, I try and find 2B sticks.

My most hated stick specifically would be the Zildjian Travis Barker sticks. Leaves a complete mess on your stuff (they're painted white) and they're too thin, so they break easily. One shattered and nearly took my bloody eye out.
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I use nylon tipped Nova 5Bs; you can find them on Musicians Friend.

They work great for me. Not too bad sounding for cheap sticks. I used one down 'til it was smaller than the diameter of a nickel where I hit the cymbals. Then I just threw it away for fear of it breaking and violently flying off and breaking something. (:
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Least favorite Pro Mark anything.

Silver Fox are GREAT!!!!!! Hard to find but worth the effort!
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What a seemingly odd topic. But c'est la vie. People seem very hard on Zildjian sticks. Zildjian has made great improvements to its design and manufacturing process and I have no problem with Zildjian sticks at all and in fact proudly use them. Zildjian is using a new type of laquer which really helps with grip and I find the sticks to be more consistent than any other brand. If your negative thoughts originate from a time in the past, give them another go. I think they are a quality product.

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I would have to agree with having problems with Pro Mark. I'm a Texan, and like most Texans I am a big advocate of products that are from my state. However, all there sticks just have too much vibration for me and I can't stick with any pair for very long.

Glad to that Zildjian has improved their product. Kinda makes me curious.
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Glad to that Zildjian has improved their product. Kinda makes me curious.
$20 bucks says you'll have the ol' BR's back in your hands.......let me know.
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I agree with everything Paul just said about Zildjian being improved in a serious, serious way. He also knows how much investigation I did before deciding to endorse them myself. A lot of people mistakedly equate a light stick with a cheaper stick when sometimes it's just about having a light stick that can behave like a heavier stick. And Paul's also right about the grip issue, which is especially important to those who want to keep their's as loose as possible. I really like the Chambers stick especially, and do not say this in a sell out way at all. I really believe it is a great stick especially for dynamics, dexterity and getting around the set.

There's also a versatility advantage. I played four different kinds of gigs recently and there was a time when I would have used a different stick for each gig. I just don't feel that way anymore.

But yeah, some of you are probably right about the older sticks. Like many of you I immediately broke the first pair of Zildjians I ever owned when I rarely break sticks. But yeah, in the last two years especially, a big change for the better.

Hey Matt.....you were the first person that came to mind when I originally posted my dislike for Zildjian sticks.....I'd read the thread regarding your endorsement and new stick design....congrats man btw. Just to clarify, I was speaking from personal experience and meant no offense....in fact, hats off to you and your achievements mate....and much luck with the new sticks hey!

For the record, I played them in the 90's and hated them.....as both yourself and Paul have pointed out, they seem to have come a long way in the last 10 to 15 years. So I'll accept I may be speaking from a bias viewpoint that may well no longer be relevant. Who knows?......maybe one of these days I may even give them another hearing!!

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. I do however, stand by my original opinions on oak and nylon tips sticks. It'll take a cold day in hell to sway me on either of those options.

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Old 02-19-2010, 05:16 AM
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Like many here, I don't like oak or nylon tips...

The one thing I haven't seen mentioned, and this is purely aesthetics, is black sticks. I know: oooh, how sinister and mysterious!

I hate watching other drummers using black sticks looking like they're just waving their fists around in little circles and not seeing the business end of what's going on save for a cymbal wiggle. What is the point? It seriously detracts from the visual element of watching another drummer. Imagine how much more fun it would be to watch Steve Gadd play if you could just see what the hell his sticks were doing!

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Heh- pretty funny, I use Pro-Mark nearly exclusively 'cause the 808 model has the greatest rebound I've ever felt [other sticks have equaled but not surpassed- VF Hakim, for example], plus the oak weight doesn't bother me at all, so I rehearse/shed with the oaks and use the same model hickory ones at gigs. I've never felt more shock/vibration in my hand with either of them than with any other stick, except for Zildjian's Anti-vibe models. [I dug the feel of those, but was scared to start using them 'cause if they were discontinued, I'd have to get used to regular ones again. Plus, there wasn't a shape in that series that I liked.] I also love nylon tips. I do keep some wood tip sticks in the bag when I need a little more, uh, "earthy" sound, and I can count these instances on one hand, all recording sessions where the artist preferred it. The more shimmer-y sound I get from the nylons has always been pleasing to my ears, and most to people I've performed with- at least the ones who ever noticed or cared to listen to it. I guess I'm the exception that proves the rule, eh? haha!

Oh, y'know what- the next-best feeling sticks I've used that didn't have a med-sized round or nearly-round bead- The aforementioned cheapo Guitar Center brand Nova 5B [maybe 5A?] wood tips...! These were given to me by a drummer friend who lived across the st. and gave me a bunch of stuff he didn't feel like taking when he moved. But they felt quite good. Never used the nylon ones.

Re: old experiences/reputation- the one & only pair of Vaters I've had was a 3A model in 1992. Two rehearsals in, one of them split downward lengthways, nearly the entire length of the stick, so that it sounded like a miniature, uh, "clapper" effect and no longer had enough rebound to execute rolls... Maybe I should give them and Zildjian another try if I can find models I dig [Z's always felt a little cheap in my hands, as recently as 3 yrs. ago], and by the same token, maybe some of you should revisit the Pro-Mark oaks... Maybe you'll have the same opinion, maybe not.

I must echo the dislike for dark-color sticks too. Don't know why it bugs me, it just does. Maybe 'cause I'm subconsciously analyzing and can't see them...? And super-thin sticks don't do it for me sound-wise, but I get why some like them. I'm also bugged by the click-y sound that most bundled-rod sticks make. Anyone tried the VF Steve Smith Tala Wands with the foam cores?
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Hey Matt.....you were the first person that came to mind when I originally posted my dislike for Zildjian sticks.....I'd read the thread regarding your endorsement and new stick design....congrats man btw. Just to clarify, I was speaking from personal experience and meant no offense....in fact, hats off to you and your achievements mate....and much luck with the new sticks hey!

For the record, I played them in the 90's and hated them.....as both yourself and Paul have pointed out, they seem to have come a long way in the last 10 to 15 years. So I'll accept I may be speaking from a bias viewpoint that may well no longer be relevant. Who knows?......maybe one of these days I may even give them another hearing!!

Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. I do however, stand by my original opinions on oak and nylon tips sticks. It'll take a cold day in hell to sway me on either of those options.

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No offense taken at all. I think anybody has a right to have whatever opinion they choose about something as personal as a drum stick. And yeah like I mentioned before, I also used to have problems with Zildjians a long time ago. I think my job as an endorser isn't to try and force you to believe something, but to share with you and anyone else interested why I like them. For instance if you are interested in a stick that helps display something you are looking for, while using something you've maybe seen from me as a point of reference, then I've most likely done my job.

I take the endorsement thing carefully, which is why I haven't endorsed some of the nice custom drum companies that have asked me to come aboard. Before I get with somebody I want to be totally sure that I can back them sincerely. When the drum set comes along that's right for me, and if that company thinks I can help sell that product, then I'll be there for those guys. In fact there's one company I would love to get with because I really like their drums. But as of yet they haven't seen how I can help them. And in the business way of seeing it that's my problem not theirs.

Take Power Wrist Builders for instance. Everybody who knows me is aware of how much I like them, and they see me warming up with them all the time. I don't do that because they once showcased me on a poster. To just use something like that for no other reason than to acheive some minor glory in the back of a drum magazine would be counter productive.

For obvious reasons, a lot of the old WFD and DCI guys have attracted interest from stick makers. A year or so ago there was a really nice guy who wanted me to endorse this stick that had a lot of potential, but just wasn't for me. He really campaigned hard and offered a lot of nice incentives. But I just couldn't see playing those sticks on a gig while telling others why I was doing that. I have no problem at all talking about Zildjian because I believe in their product. I also think the supposed fragile nature of the Zildjian stick is probably dispelled when a supposedly aggressive jazz player like me uses them with few if any problems.

I think there were some people who were surprised that I joined them. But to me it was a natural thing and made musical sense for me, while always knowing that everyone's different and comes to making such a personal decision from numerous perspectives.
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Probably LA Special 7As.

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Probably LA Special 7As.
I use those sticks more than any other - but I hit with the butt ends and cut the tips off so they don't dig into my hand.
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What a seemingly odd topic. But c'est la vie. People seem very hard on Zildjian sticks. Zildjian has made great improvements to its design and manufacturing process and I have no problem with Zildjian sticks at all and in fact proudly use them. Zildjian is using a new type of laquer which really helps with grip and I find the sticks to be more consistent than any other brand. If your negative thoughts originate from a time in the past, give them another go. I think they are a quality product. To stay in line with the original post, I only own one pair of nylon tip sticks (just in case the session calls for that sound) and I have never found the occasion to use them. Truly, I just prefer the sound of wood on cymbals!

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I've never used Zildjian stick, but I will testify that a friend of mine who is a serious hard hitter, (breaking sticks, cracking cymbals, breaking cymbals stands even) has been very pleased with Zildjian sticks and their longevity.


On topic, I dislike Pro-Mark sticks, they just don't seem to make a model for me. Most often, it's the tip and neck shape that I don't like.
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Carbosticks, hands down. First of all, the cymbal sound is an abomination, secondly, they're the only sticks to put dents in my snare batter head (not by me, fortunately).
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Personally I think Zildjian is the worst maybe not though. Iuse Vic Firth Hickory sticks. But I dont really know much about sticks.
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Nope i changeed my mind Carbosticks are the worst
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Wow Carbosticks must be horrible to become the worst stick in 2 minutes and be posted.
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Old 02-20-2010, 06:29 PM
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I don't like oak sticks. They transmit all the force of the stroke directly into the hands and wrists. Ouch.
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Broken ones...

My birthday was last week and my mom hired a local band to mentor our band and show us some stuff (didnt really do anything but we got a nice show). We played a few songs for them and then they decided they wanted to play for us. I handed the drummer my sticks (i have 3 pairs of this size, 1 is oak, 1 was unused). The pair I handed him I have been using since Christmas; not much damage, just the tips are starting to crack. He got done and we were about to play and I played one song and noticed my stick was splitting down the middle from his rim technique.

That kind of relates back to drummers not wanting people to touch their stuff... grrr
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Old 02-24-2010, 04:24 AM
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I've had that happen before in drumline. I carried a toolbox full of lugs, tension rods, sticks, whatever in case of emergencies at contests, parades etc. To often did I loan sticks that didn't make it through the event.
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