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Old 01-29-2010, 06:40 AM
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I'm finalizing my order in next couple of days for Classic Maple - Power 4 Kit which will be 18x24 8x14 (Snare) 11x13 (Rack) 14x14 16x16 with 900 Series Hardware (White Marine Pearl)...Would like to hear from players who've bought Classic Maple Kit in last year or so...I've been researching all I can but have a couple questions:

Badges - Are they (Shells) currently coming with Keystone Badges ...Numbered Shells.?.
Wrap - How has quality been.?.I saw somewhere where someone bought a kit and the wrap was "overlapped" by about 1/4" for "Shrinkage"...Is this common or unusual.?.
Heads - Assuming Ludwig heads but are you able to order with, say, Remo or Evans.?.
Kick - What if I wanted 16x24 kick instead.?.Is that allowed..

Feel like expecting my first born...Been waiting, planning, dreaming long time for this kit...14x14 is an add-on...Considered 16x18 but think 14x14 will work better for my purposes...

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Old 01-29-2010, 08:16 AM
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I'd personally go with 14" depth for your bass drum.

24 x 18 is a big bucket. you are going to have to use alot of force. loose definition as well.

also, if you are going with 13 x11 tom, consider 16 and 18 floor toms.

if you really want 14 floor, 12" tom might be better for that configuration.

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Old 01-29-2010, 09:02 PM
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Depending on how often you are going to be moving your kit, you might want to go with the 800 series hardware. I have both 900 and 800, and the 800 is a lot lighter, making moving easier. And they are just as sturdy.
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:32 PM
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I'm looking at buying a 24" CM kick drum in the next few months and they are offered in different depths. I'll be getting the 14". I know I saw the option for a 16" as well.
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Old 01-29-2010, 09:51 PM
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I'd personally go with 14" depth for your bass drum.

24 x 18 is a big bucket. you are going to have to use alot of force. lose definition as well.

if you really want 14 floor, 12" tom might be better for that configuration.
I agree with this...
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I'm looking at buying a 24" CM kick drum in the next few months and they are offered in different depths. I'll be getting the 14". I know I saw the option for a 16" as well.
If you like to cut a hole in your front head, I would'nt go with the 14" depth, as you probably won't hear much of anything. If you don't cut a hole, a 14" is good, but the 16" sounds near perfect on a 24" diameter. 18" usually only sounds awesome with a thick shelled drum, on a 24" diameter from my experience.

The 14" depth that was magic for me was a 22" diameter, with no hole on the front head, and I also had a 16" depth 24" that was perfect. Both of those were Yamaha drums.
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:55 PM
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If you like to cut a hole in your front head, I would'nt go with the 14" depth, as you probably won't hear much of anything. If you don't cut a hole, a 14" is good, but the 16" sounds near perfect on a 24" diameter.
That's not been my experience. I had a 24x14 Tama Imperialstar (early '80) with no head on the front and it sounded great. I also had a Tama Superstar 24x16 from the mid '80s that sounded great. I then went to a 22x16 for two kits in row, and now a 22x18, so I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of effect depth has on a bass drum's sound.

I also played a 24x18 that a friend of mine has, and wasn't impressed with it at all. I agree with you that a drum that massive can't be thin-shelled.

Recently I played on a Gretsch 24x14 with no head on front and it had most of the characteristics that my old Tama had. It's that characteristic that I'm interested in.

I'm not sure what you mean about not being able to hear a 24x14 with a ported front head. Of course it won't be as boomy, as a 16 or 18 would, but that's just what I'm trying to get rid of. I'm at the end of the pendulum swing where I'm not liking depth on bass drums at all.
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What do you guys think of a 24 x 20depth bass drum? any experience? sound? anything?

I'm thinking in getting a CM in this configuration: 12x8 or 13x9 (not sure yet, suggestions?), 16x14 ft, 18x16ft, and a 24 x 20 bd.
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:11 AM
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What do you guys think of a 24 x 20depth bass drum? any experience? sound? anything?

I'm thinking in getting a CM in this configuration: 12x8 or 13x9 (not sure yet, suggestions?), 16x14 ft, 18x16ft, and a 24 x 20 bd.
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WAAAAAAAAY Toooooooo Deeeeeeeeeeep.

The deeper the bass drums go, the more punch they lose. I'm not a fan of the current deep bass drum trend and can't wait until it's over.

Those are great tom sizes, IMO. Mine are almost exactly the same - except my first floor is a 15x14.
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Old 01-30-2010, 03:49 AM
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That's not been my experience. I had a 24x14 Tama Imperialstar (early '80) with no head on the front and it sounded great. I also had a Tama Superstar 24x16 from the mid '80s that sounded great. I then went to a 22x16 for two kits in row, and now a 22x18, so I feel like I have a pretty good understanding of effect depth has on a bass drum's sound.

I also played a 24x18 that a friend of mine has, and wasn't impressed with it at all. I agree with you that a drum that massive can't be thin-shelled.

Recently I played on a Gretsch 24x14 with no head on front and it had most of the characteristics that my old Tama had. It's that characteristic that I'm interested in.

I'm not sure what you mean about not being able to hear a 24x14 with a ported front head. Of course it won't be as boomy, as a 16 or 18 would, but that's just what I'm trying to get rid of. I'm at the end of the pendulum swing where I'm not liking depth on bass drums at all.
Mike, I don't think you are just making stuff up or anything, but I have NEVER experienced anything like what you are saying to be remotely the case. Maybe you were in a room with all the right and best acoustic circumstances.

Why don't you take off the bottom heads of your toms or cut holes in them? Regarding kicks, I don't know how many times I have actually put a DW or Yamaha with a hole in the front head right next to one with no hole, and shown the absolute difference. Too many!

There is no comparison, and especially with NO head on the front.
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Old 01-30-2010, 05:52 AM
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Wow...Thanks for info...Great stuff...The Shell pack specified 18x24 kick and personally would prefer 14x24 or 16x24 at most...But...Am I able to change kick size on Shell Pack.?.I've never bought before, custom that is...And 16x18 would make more sense wouldn't it...Don't think 16x18 much more than 14x14...Maybe $75 - $100 I'm assuming...Any wrap issues to consider.?.K...Perfect y'all...Really appreciate your help...I'll ask the Sales Rep to change to 24x14 and see what he says...18" is too deep...My Gretsch Renown is 20x22 so don't need another "Deep" kick...Peace...
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Old 01-30-2010, 06:56 AM
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Mike, I don't think you are just making stuff up or anything, but I have NEVER experienced anything like what you are saying to be remotely the case. Maybe you were in a room with all the right and best acoustic circumstances.
I'm not sure what you're talking about... you mean you've never heard a single-headed kick that sounded good? That may just be a matter of taste, but it used to be that most drummers took the resos off their kicks in the studio, and often left them off altogether. I like the sound myself. More punch and less shell. Of course, it isn't the same and the action off the pedal feels a little sloppy at first... it may not be your sound, but it is a sound.
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Why don't you take off the bottom heads of your toms or cut holes in them? Regarding kicks, I don't know how many times I have actually put a DW or Yamaha with a hole in the front head right next to one with no hole, and shown the absolute difference. Too many!

There is no comparison, and especially with NO head on the front.
I get what you're saying, but I've never treated bass drums the same way I treat toms. I don't muffle my toms at all and they're always double-headed. I've never liked the concert tom sound, not even on Phil Collins' kit (worked for him, though). You should try taking your kick reso off just for giggles, it has a different vibe and actually sounds pretty cool in its own right. I do prefer to keep a ported reso on, though. I've tried unported, but micing can be problematic (gotta make it easy for the sound guy no matter how much of a noob he might be) and too much definition gets lost for my taste - although I may change my mind on that when I get a shallower kick.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:20 AM
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What do you guys think of a 24 x 20depth bass drum? any experience? sound? anything?

I'm thinking in getting a CM in this configuration: 12x8 or 13x9 (not sure yet, suggestions?), 16x14 ft, 18x16ft, and a 24 x 20 bd.
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I have the 8x12, 9x13, 14x16 & 16x18 sizes in CM (also 9x12, 10x13, 11x14, 13x15).

All these sizes sound great.
They work great with many different kinds of heads, and have a wide tuning range.

I also have several bass drum sizes.

My main kick is 26".

I have 16, 18, 20" deep shells.

16 is fat and has a punchy oomph.
The 18 is fatter sounding, and I can feel it under my foot more than the 16.
The 20" deep has a great balance of tone, clean note, and punch. I've NEVER had ANYONE have anything negative to say about the 2 of them I have. Live or recorded, big or small venue.
I play the usual small 100-250 seat rooms, 1,200 seat theaters and 20,000 capacity outdoor sheds.
Not bragging, just saying it's up to you and what you want out of a bass drum, and to not be steered away from a deeper depth bass drum if you think you'd like it.

--Larrie Londin used to use very deep bass drums in the studio all the time. He said he liked them because he got more variety of sounds by positioning the mic in different spots. His were 22 and 24".

It all has to do with your personal preference in the depth. I get great results out of all the depths, but, I have NO problems getting a fantastic sound from my 20x26's, played hard or soft.

I have a 14x24 also, and that's a great size too.
Personally, I'd think a 20x24 would be great. Fat, punchy, solid, huge sounding through a big PA. "Huge" doesn't mean overbearing either.

Ludwig offers the Classic Maple shell in depths of 14" up to 20" in 20,22 & 24" diameters.

Never had a problem with the wraps at all. All very tight and solid.

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Old 01-30-2010, 11:39 AM
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Can any happy CM owner post some sound files of his/her set here ?
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Can any happy CM owner post some sound files of his/her set here ?
Just go to Memphisdrumshop Youtube channel, and search for Ludwig.
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:45 AM
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I have the 8x12, 9x13, 14x16 & 16x18 sizes in CM (also 9x12, 10x13, 11x14, 13x15).

All these sizes sound great.
They work great with many different kinds of heads, and have a wide tuning range.

I also have several bass drum sizes.

My main kick is 26".

I have 16, 18, 20" deep shells.

16 is fat and has a punchy oomph.
The 18 is fatter sounding, and I can feel it under my foot more than the 16.
The 20" deep has a great balance of tone, clean note, and punch. I've NEVER had ANYONE have anything negative to say about the 2 of them I have. Live or recorded, big or small venue.
I play the usual small 100-250 seat rooms, 1,200 seat theaters and 20,000 capacity outdoor sheds.
Not bragging, just saying it's up to you and what you want out of a bass drum, and to not be steered away from a deeper depth bass drum if you think you'd like it.

--Larrie Londin used to use very deep bass drums in the studio all the time. He said he liked them because he got more variety of sounds by positioning the mic in different spots. His were 22 and 24".

It all has to do with your personal preference in the depth. I get great results out of all the depths, but, I have NO problems getting a fantastic sound from my 20x26's, played hard or soft.

I have a 14x24 also, and that's a great size too.
Personally, I'd think a 20x24 would be great. Fat, punchy, solid, huge sounding through a big PA. "Huge" doesn't mean overbearing either.

Ludwig offers the Classic Maple shell in depths of 14" up to 20" in 20,22 & 24" diameters.

Never had a problem with the wraps at all. All very tight and solid.

Good luck deciding!
I've decided to go with 16x24 Kick...Feel confident with this size...Also going to go with 14x14 Floor Tom (Add-on) as, looking at your Kit, can always add a 16x18 later on and with WMP odds of finding one on EBay quite good...The Dealer is giving me, what I consider, a very good price which includes 900 Series Hardware which is only a couple hundred bucks more than other quotes I got on Shells alone...Delivery date possibly 5 weeks which is no problem...Badges.?.CM would come with regular Keystone (Old style) badges correct.?.Are these Shells numbered as well.?.There are some nice kits out there but they can sure F 'em up with badges which are oversized and completely out of place on these kits...I'd considered the Centennials but badges shot that down...Got to like what you gots...Thanks very much...You've been great help...Oh...Heads...I suppose kits come with choice of Ludwig heads only from NC...Something else to confirm...Peace y'all...
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:08 PM
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Hi there!

I'm looking to buy a new CM and I was looking for some reviews when I came across this great thread.

I'm swinging between two configurations:
· 24x14, 13x9, 16x16
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· 22x??, 13x9, 16x16

Actually, my dilemma is the 22x14 or the 22x16 bass drum. I've tried the 22x14 at my local drum store and it sounded awesome. I know that this size is Ludwig's classic for the 22's... They didn't have a 22x16 at the drum shop so I couldn't compare the two.

I appreciate any thoughts/advice you can share... I don't know if this topic has been discussed before. If so, please post the link...

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I ordered a Classic Maple kit a year ago (got in exactly one month) and couldn't have been happier with the quality and sound. (First time I have owned a Ludwig kit in 30 years.)

I went from 22" kicks to an 24 x 18 kick and I can't believe the difference - wish I would have made the move years ago. 12 x 9 tom, 14 x 14 floor, 16 x 14 floor... in natural maple gloss finish, complete with 100th Anniversary badges. Pics don't do it justice.
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I ordered a Classic Maple kit a year ago (got in exactly one month) and couldn't have been happier with the quality and sound. (First time I have owned a Ludwig kit in 30 years.)

I went from 22" kicks to an 24 x 18 kick and I can't believe the difference - wish I would have made the move years ago. 12 x 9 tom, 14 x 14 floor, 16 x 14 floor... in natural maple gloss finish, complete with 100th Anniversary badges. Pics don't do it justice.
Very nice kit. Actually the one I'm going to order is going to be my first Ludwig set as well. As for the 24 bass drum, I'm leaning more toward a 24x14 since I've never played a 24 kick drum before... I've been playing a 22x16 all my life and if I would go with a 22 kick drum, I'm not sure if I should stick to the 16" depth or go with a 14"...
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If you guys are going to cut a hole in the front head, I would stay away from the 14" depth. You need the extra depth to get ANY sort of sound if you need a hole for whatever reason ....

... BUT, if you ARE NOT going to cut a hole, ABSOLUTLEY go for the 14 depth. They sound much more satisfying, especially from the players pov... IMO.
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If you guys are going to cut a hole in the front head, I would stay away from the 14" depth. You need the extra depth to get ANY sort of sound if you need a hole for whatever reason ....

... BUT, if you ARE NOT going to cut a hole, ABSOLUTLEY go for the 14 depth. They sound much more satisfying, especially from the players pov... IMO.
Thanks for the tip Artstar. Appreciated.
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If you guys are going to cut a hole in the front head, I would stay away from the 14" depth. You need the extra depth to get ANY sort of sound if you need a hole for whatever reason ....

... BUT, if you ARE NOT going to cut a hole, ABSOLUTLEY go for the 14 depth. They sound much more satisfying, especially from the players pov... IMO.
I've got a 24x15 on the way in the next couple of weeks. I planned on cutting a small (4" or so) hole in the reso just to make miking easier. Would you be cautioning me against this?

If I was just playing at home all the time I'd leave the reso intact, with maybe a felt strip, but alas I feel like the sound man will be eying me and/or my reso head with a razor if I show up to a gig like that. Any suggestions on miking an unported kick? I've heard that you need to mike the batter and the reso both. I'm not sure if that would be kosher at a lot of venues.

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I've got a 24x15 on the way in the next couple of weeks. I planned on cutting a small (4" or so) hole in the reso just to make miking easier. Would you be cautioning me against this?

If I was just playing at home all the time I'd leave the reso intact, with maybe a felt strip, but alas I feel like the sound man will be eying me and/or my reso head with a razor if I show up to a gig like that. Any suggestions on miking an unported kick? I've heard that you need to mike the batter and the reso both. I'm not sure if that would be kosher at a lot of venues.
If you have a tom holder on the top of the kick, leave it open, or without toms on the kick. If you don't then you might get too much resistance on the batter side head when you "kick" it, unless you have a couple of regular vents. I don't know how many Ludwig puts now.

I tried a hole on a 14x22 I had, and all I heard was a high pitched "Slap". I put on a full front head, and it was like another bass drum entirely. In the end, experiment and you will find what you are most satisfied wth.
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As far as popping holes in the head, I would go no bigger than 4", located at either the 4 o'clock or 8 o'clock position. That way, the pillow is out of the way, and the air moving from the batter head has to run into some solid front head before finding its way out of the hole.

If you're willing to invest in your own bass mic, like a Shure Beta 52 or AKG D112 or something like that, then get some kind of internal mount like a May system, and just have the sound guru plug straight into the bass drum shell.

As far as the depth/sound relationship...

My experience has been that a deeper drum is nice and punchy, but difficult to get a proper note out of (if I was looking for an "A" or "D" or whatever). By contrast, a 14x22 that I cut down to an 8x22 has tone for days and I can tune it to a note quite accurately. A nice side benefit is that it will now make a low, gut-punching note that will make you wonder if your heart is in some danger of getting knocked out of whack.

I'm looking to get a 14x24, or maybe even 12x24 (DW. They can do these things, y'know) as the low note out of four for my big kit. On the theory that shallower depth drums are better for tone, the main kick will be 16x18 or 18x18, since it's function is purely a kick drum, and the remote basses will be 12x14, 12x16, 12x20 and 12x24, which should allow them to really sing the A, E, C and A notes that I want for them (if this seems like a lot, remember that Bozzio is using nine bass drums now. NINE.) Even at 12" deep, I could still multitask any one of the little darlings for another kit should I have the need, and still get a nice kick drum sound.

Other than that concert bass function, I tend not to like larger bass drums. Heads and mics (and drums generally) are good enough these days that you can get a nice punch out of an 18" or 20" drum, and not have to drag all of that extra plywood around. That's just personal preference, of course.
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Old 09-27-2010, 02:39 AM
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I've never played a Ludwig kit before yesterday when I tried a 22x14 (in CM). It sounded awesome. I've come to realize that this size is Ludwig's classic (as almost every Ludwig fan states) , should I be worrying if I order a different size for the bass drum? I mean, will I get a "Ludwig" sound from a 22x16 (or any other depth) for instance or should I stick to the "classic" size?
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Old 09-27-2010, 05:27 AM
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I have a 2008 Ludwig CM kit and a Ludwig Legacy kit and I love them both! I have a 22X14 and a 22X18 and anyone who says the 14" depth only works with a solid front head is either mistaken or has a different perception of what sounds good than I do.

I think the 14" depth speaks quicker and a tad cleaner than the 18". I run an Aquarian SK1 on the batter with a smooth PS3 on the resonant side and the drums sound great.

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Old 09-27-2010, 05:57 AM
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thinktriplets, if you really dug the 14x22 and don't care about a deeper shell, there's no real reason to give it much extra thought.
A 16 or 18" depth can sound a bit fatter and the note of the drum can be a bit longer depending on the tuning/muffling, but if those aren't an issue or concern, go with what your ears said was cool.
And yes, if you get a different size kick, it'll have a Ludwig sound.

Mikecore had good points on the hole size, and a mic too. I have a D112 and I love it.
I bring it to every gig "just in case", but I don't usually have to use it.
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Old 09-28-2010, 03:12 AM
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Thanks ALL for your valuable input. Just too bad they didn't have a size other than 22x14 at the drum store... Based on the feedback of most of you, I think I will go with a 22x14. I currently have a ported reso on my 22x16 beech custom and I use a Beta 52a (for both recording and live). I guess I will have to check how the 22x14 will sound with a cut on the reso head. Worst case I will switch back to a non-ported head and I will probably have to face some resistance from the sounds gurus...
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Old 09-28-2010, 11:35 PM
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I owned a vintage Ludwig kit with a 22" x 14" kick drum that I used at numerous live gigs and on a couple of CD's over the years. I always got compliments on how great that kit (and kick) sounded.

I also read an interview recently with Carmine Appice where he talked about going back to the shallower kick drum and how much better he liked the sound. I noticed on his signature Ddrum Dios kit, the kick drum is 15" deep. It's just the trend that a deeper kick drum = better, but in a few years, you may see everyone playing 14" deep kicks again.

I don't think you can go wrong with a 14" depth. One final (and practical) benefit for you--that 22" x 14" kick was much easier to get in and out of the back seat of my car than the 22" x 18" that I currently play!
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Old 09-29-2010, 05:55 AM
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Very nice kit. Actually the one I'm going to order is going to be my first Ludwig set as well. As for the 24 bass drum, I'm leaning more toward a 24x14 since I've never played a 24 kick drum before... I've been playing a 22x16 all my life and if I would go with a 22 kick drum, I'm not sure if I should stick to the 16" depth or go with a 14"...
Thanks...it's my first owned Luddie kit in 30 years. I started on a 60's gold sparkle LUDWIG CLASSIC in '76.

I played 22's for years and I love the feel and projection of the 24 x 18.
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Old 09-29-2010, 06:02 AM
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14x24 is a GREAT sounding size.
One of my friends was in the same boat. Couldn't decide between a 16 or 14 depth.
I had him come over and have a go with my drum and he was sold on the 14" size.
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