wuhan or other splashes?

[Dipschmidt]

Anyone have any wuhan splashes? I love their chinas but never heard the splashes, and all the videos on youtube make them sound like gargabe, but I'm pretty sure they'd sound better in person, right? I'd love a really fast, and "think-sounding" splash so if the wuhan isn't like that, can someone tell me what splash is? Sabian would be nice :)

[Polymetrix1618]

All Wuhans sound like garbage. They're even nastier sounding in person and break fast. I cracked a 14" china in three months, but my cymbals that are 4 years old are in perfect condition. The best mid level splash would have to be from the Paiste Alpha line. They're cheaper because they're half hand made and sound a lot like Signatures. They shouldn't even be called mid line cymbals. If you're willing to spend more go for the Stewart Copeland sound, Paiste Signatures. Paiste is the only company I'd get a splash from, as I define splash by The Police. I use New Signature splashes, which are trashier, a bit thicker, and louder, but if you ant something versatile there's not much better than the standard Signature splash.

[Dipschmidt]

Originally Posted by Polymetrix1618

All Wuhans sound like garbage. They're even nastier sounding in person and break fast. I cracked a 14" china in three months, but my cymbals that are 4 years old are in perfect condition. The best mid level splash would have to be from the Paiste Alpha line. They're cheaper because they're half hand made and sound a lot like Signatures. They shouldn't even be called mid line cymbals. If you're willing to spend more go for the Stewart Copeland sound, Paiste Signatures. Paiste is the only company I'd get a splash from, as I define splash by The Police. I use New Signature splashes, which are trashier, a bit thicker, and louder, but if you ant something versatile there's not much better than the standard Signature splash.

If the wuhan's sound like garbage, why do so many people like them then?

[theindian]

One mans garbage is another mans treasure.
All cliches aside, sound and all music in general boils down to personal opinion.
Application is also another factor. I have a Wuhan china & splash. While I am not a big fan of their sound, they are loud trashy and sound good in metal, loud rock, or for general practice.

I use my Paiste 2002 china & splash when I play with my band. The Paistes are a little darker and don't open up as quickly as the Wuhans. Some people love Wuhan others don't. They are really inexpensive too, which adds to why many people have them.

[Dipschmidt]

Originally Posted by theindian

One mans garbage is another mans treasure.
All cliches aside, sound and all music in general boils down to personal opinion.
Application is also another factor. I have a Wuhan china & splash. While I am not a big fan of their sound, they are loud trashy and sound good in metal, loud rock, or for general practice.

I use my Paiste 2002 china & splash when I play with my band. The Paistes are a little darker and don't open up as quickly as the Wuhans. Some people love Wuhan others don't. They are really inexpensive too, which adds to why many people have them.

good way of putting it, i think i have a rough idea of what they sound like but what about the splashes?

[MikeM]

Originally Posted by Polymetrix1618

All Wuhans sound like garbage. They're even nastier sounding in person...

Of course this is just your opinion. I got the distinct impression that your were making a statement of fact. Then again, maybe you're right and that's exactly what I look for in an effects cymbal like a china.

I haven't used china's in many years, but when I did, I only used Wuhan. I don't mind parting with loads of cash for my cymbals, but I just liked the Wuhans better than chinas from anyone else, especially the Paistes since they're so clean.

Splashes? I don't use those either, but I would at least look at Wuhan before writing them off.

[alparrott]

My church in Alaska has a 10" Wuhan splash (not the S Series, not the New Traditionals, whatever that other line was). It seemed slightly thinner than my A custom splash - nearly paper-thin. It's very dark and quick, with a good bit of throatiness/trash in the sound. I can see where it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it fits in well with the HHX Evolutions on that set. I would consider one if you are in the market for a splash.

[Polymetrix1618]

Originally Posted by MikeM

Of course this is just your opinion. I got the distinct impression that your were making a statement of fact. Then again, maybe you're right and that's exactly what I look for in an effects cymbal like a china.

I haven't used china's in many years, but when I did, I only used Wuhan. I don't mind parting with loads of cash for my cymbals, but I just liked the Wuhans better than chinas from anyone else, especially the Paistes since they're so clean.

Splashes? I don't use those either, but I would at least look at Wuhan before writing them off.

I say they sound like garbage because I've never heard a Wuhan that didn't sound cheap and trashy. Everything is a matter of taste, but there's a reason why professionals stay far away from Wuhans. They truly are horrible. My main complaint is that if you want to buy one you need to search through the stack for one that isn't a dud. The way they're made makes them break fast and to make things worse, as the layers begin to settle they start sounding awful. I owned a Wuhan china and it was the cheapest sounding cymbal I've ever played. It was so bright, tinny, and trashy that I couldn't use it when jamming with other people. It started sounding worse within a month and cracked after just a few. It's about as cost effective to buy an intermediate or professional cymbal that lasts you many years than a super thin (less metal means less money) cymbal that spirals downward until it cracks.

There aren't many times where I'd write something off completely, but Wuhans are the biggest mistakes for any drummer to make. People seem to think they work with metal, but they don't. The disgusting trashiness just gets drowned out. One of the things I judge a cymbal by is it's versatility and how much non-drummers like it. The only cymbal I've used that someone didn't like is a Wuhan. If you want to waste your money on a cymbal that drives the rest of your band crazy until it cracks, so be it.

[Polymetrix1618]

Originally Posted by Dipschmidt

If the wuhan's sound like garbage, why do so many people like them then?

Because most drummers can't afford K Customs. If all cymbals costed exactly $30, Wuhan would be out of business.

[MikeM]

Originally Posted by Polymetrix1618

...but there's a reason why professionals stay far away from Wuhans. They truly are horrible.

Like Neil Peart? He used one right up until he moved over to Sabian since they agreed to model a Paragon after his Wuhan.

BTW: I've noticed that you have an authoritarian complex. You should tone it down.

[Polymetrix1618]

Originally Posted by MikeM

Like Neil Peart? He used one right up until he moved over to Sabian since they agreed to model a Paragon after his Wuhan.

BTW: I've noticed that you have an authoritarian complex. You should tone it down.

I'm guessing you never went to college. I don't have an authoritarian personality type. I was raised by an authoritative psychologist. An authoritarian personality comes from authoritarian parenting, not authoritative parenting. That's basic psychology I learned as a child.

[MikeM]

Originally Posted by Polymetrix1618

I'm guessing you never went to college. I don't have an authoritarian personality type. I was raised by an authoritative psychologist. An authoritarian personality comes from authoritarian parenting, not authoritative parenting. That's basic psychology I learned as a child.

Thanks for straightening me out on that - hopefully you got the gist of what I was going for.

I did go to college as it turns out, but I didn't do soft science. I did learn to use a search engine, however, and I think superiority complex might be more appropriate. What do you think? (make sure to brush up on its definition first)

Edit: Geez, you know, on further reading, I'm more inclined to go with the inferiority complex since the superiority complex comes with no need to prove superiority. I also read that it's possible to exhibit qualities of both... boy, the soft sciences can be tricky!

Edit 2: It's also possible to be raised by an authoritative psychologist who uses an authoritarian parenting style resulting in an authoritarian personality, which I'm not convinced you don't have. I'm also not convinced that authoritarian parenting is a necessary condition for an authoritarian personality, but I could be wrong on this. In any case, your claim to not having an authoritarian personality is not a logical consequence of merely having been raised by an authoritative psychologist. That bit of deductive reasoning was from the first week of some 100-level Philosophy class you might have missed.

Edit 3: You know, at this point, I'm just having fun!

[eamesuser]

I have heard on these forums and product reviews that ufips are some great splashes,but pricey,and hard to find in my neck of the woods,I have a bosphorus splash I love,it is dark warm and trashy,and an a custom that works a little better in unmiced live situations because it is a bit brighter it also is incredibly fast,maybe because the bell is close to half the circumfrence.One splash I played you may look into was a paiste alpha,was quick,bright ,pretty and shimmery,and priced nicely,I think B - 8 alloy splashes can really work well because they are bright and focused,and that alloy lends itself to that naturally to what a splash is supposed to do IMO.If I had to buy one tommorow the paiste alpha would be the one to beat,sound and bang for the buck wise.

[Fox622003]

I have an 8" Stagg Myra splash, it's great, and very cheap as well. It's one of their top lines, and looks quite durable if you're worried about breakage. I listened to it against Zildjian A and K splashes, and I actually like it a lot more, I think the Zildjians were way too dark and dead for a splash. The Staggs are very bright and splashy. Try a few out though, they all sound different between cymbals of the same line and size.


Fox.

[DSCRAPRE]

Originally Posted by MikeM

Like Neil Peart? He used one right up until he moved over to Sabian since they agreed to model a Paragon after his Wuhan.

So Wait! The $300 Paragon China was modeled after the $60 Wuhan? Interesting...

[MikeM]

Originally Posted by DSCRAPRE

So Wait! The $300 Paragon China was modeled after the $60 Wuhan? Interesting...

Roughy, yes, but without the square bell. It's a 19" extra-thin "trashy" Chinese (Sabian's words from their website). Probably lasts longer than a Wuhan, but who knows. I had two large Wuhans back in the day and it took a while to break my way through them. I loved how trashy they were.

I don't use them anymore only because I discovered that two broken crash cymbals stacked on one another sounds even trashier! I've been using the same two broken crashes for over 15 years now and lost count of the number of very enthusiastic compliments I've received about them from other musicians and engineers.

[drumtechdad]

To actually get back to the OP's question while avoiding all questions of psychology . . .

They are on the thin side, so they open up fast as a splash should. To my ear they are light, trashy, and a little bit gongy. It's a sound. It's not my sound but it might be yours.

(I hate to break it to the know-it-all, but "trashy" is actually not a pejorative for many drummers, some of whom admire that quality in certain vintage rides, to take one example.)

[Polymetrix1618]

Originally Posted by MikeM

Thanks for straightening me out on that - hopefully you got the gist of what I was going for.

I did go to college as it turns out, but I didn't do soft science. I did learn to use a search engine, however, and I think superiority complex might be more appropriate. What do you think? (make sure to brush up on its definition first)

Edit: Geez, you know, on further reading, I'm more inclined to go with the inferiority complex since the superiority complex comes with no need to prove superiority. I also read that it's possible to exhibit qualities of both... boy, the soft sciences can be tricky!

Edit 2: It's also possible to be raised by an authoritative psychologist who uses an authoritarian parenting style resulting in an authoritarian personality, which I'm not convinced you don't have. I'm also not convinced that authoritarian parenting is a necessary condition for an authoritarian personality, but I could be wrong on this. In any case, your claim to not having an authoritarian personality is not a logical consequence of merely having been raised by an authoritative psychologist. That bit of deductive reasoning was from the first week of some 100-level Philosophy class you might have missed.

Edit 3: You know, at this point, I'm just having fun!

It's not a big deal. I'm a physics major with absolutely no interest in psychology. Ask any psychologist and they'll tell you how useless Psych 101 is. The things I know are concepts taught to my mother when she got her Ph.D., not that undergrad psych BS. Let's squash it.

For the record, Wuhan chinas aren't my cup of tea and aren't versatile, but some people (definitely not guitarists) like them. However, their splashes are a different story. Super thin trashy splashes don't work in the genres splashes belong in. Wuhan is the only Chinese company I wouldn't trust. Of any of them, I'd recommend Staggs. They're great inexpensive cymbals.

[Dipschmidt]

Originally Posted by Polymetrix1618

It's not a big deal. I'm a physics major with absolutely no interest in psychology. Ask any psychologist and they'll tell you how useless Psych 101 is. The things I know are concepts taught to my mother when she got her Ph.D., not that undergrad psych BS. Let's squash it.

For the record, Wuhan chinas aren't my cup of tea and aren't versatile, but some people (definitely not guitarists) like them. However, their splashes are a different story. Super thin trashy splashes don't work in the genres splashes belong in. Wuhan is the only Chinese company I wouldn't trust. Of any of them, I'd recommend Staggs. They're great inexpensive cymbals.

I just looked up some stagg chinas and MAN does that 12" DH sound fantastic! I also like the sound of the 16" too, which makes me want to replace my 18" xs20 for these. These staggs make wuhans sound horrible, but I'm not sure any drum shops carry these cymbals, usually they only carry zildjian, sabian, paiste, and a couple istanbuls.

[Polymetrix1618]

Originally Posted by Dipschmidt

I just looked up some stagg chinas and MAN does that 12" DH sound fantastic! I also like the sound of the 16" too, which makes me want to replace my 18" xs20 for these. These staggs make wuhans sound horrible, but I'm not sure any drum shops carry these cymbals, usually they only carry zildjian, sabian, paiste, and a couple istanbuls.

Check out the Black Metal bells. They sound incredible.

[Fox622003]

Yeah, and I was actually surprised at some of their models, like the Furia and Myra series being quite thick and still having that great splashy sound (for the splashes) I bought this splash to check out the rumors of Staggs breaking easily, the splash is doing great for now. The SH and DH lines ARE thinner, so you should be more careful there. I'm probably going to get all Furia and Myra, since I just *hate* replacing cymbals, and prefer to give up some sound for that. Stagg rides and hi hats are probably their weakest point, but they are alright, and if you try several out, you might actually find one that's on par with the higher lines of the bigger companies.


Fox.

[pearlygates]

I love Wuhan Splashes..there cymbals in general are pretty decent IMO.

The thing with them is their QC can be all over the map. You have to grab a stack of splashes, chinas..whatever and pick thru them to find the gem.

I plan to add an 8,10 & 12" splash in the new Traditional series to my kit.
I play predominantly Zildjian cymbals but I also own a 19" Wuhan "S" series crash that I love!

For splashes I think the Wuhans are great!