The names of beats

Pollyanna · #1 09-25-2009, 02:48 PM

I asked Wy about the name of the beat that lots of beginners (and some daggy old farts like me :) play when they are trying to flow. He told me it was called the boogaloo. Here's some boogaloo variations from a pro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZHeu6xDZM

Not long ago a couple of members told me about the money beat - the straight beat so many of us play. Here are some awesome money beats at a clinic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvuItPjE8ek ... plus some of the best air drumming I've seen near the 2 minute mark :)

What are some of the beats you love yo play? Any style - rock, jazz, blues, classical, whatever. Is there a name for them? Great if you can add links ...

aydee · #2 09-25-2009, 03:26 PM

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clyde stubblefield - funky drummer groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xSXc1vy5I

subsequently updated by Dennis Chambers- fatback groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04VtMZnOFPE

Steve Gadd - 50 ways groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8

Bernard Purdie- Half time Shuffle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t0VlzJeNvA

subsequebtly updated by Dennis Chambers who wanted blow it out of the water!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YEG0WX4Hcc

Will Kennedy- Mugabe groove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmhtbiTZ0uA

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GRUNTERSDAD · #3 09-25-2009, 04:15 PM

When I was a mere youth growing up in the 60's with Motown, the most popular was what we called fatback.

Pollyanna · #4 09-25-2009, 05:08 PM

you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni5ELUVM2eI

cool beat!

Pollyanna · #5 09-26-2009, 12:31 AM

Just found Rich Redmond deminstrating the straight money beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYcjkXsbP10&NR

larryace · #6 09-26-2009, 02:58 PM

The Texas shuffle springs to mind.

Pollyanna · #7 09-26-2009, 03:11 PM

Thanks Larry. I should have remembered that one!

Here's an example of it played: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu2rNE5J0KI. The drummers I've seen play the beat in blues band played it with a lighter, jazzier feel than this guy.

larryace · #8 09-26-2009, 03:14 PM

Bernard Purdie must have a certain degree of satisfaction knowing that a beat forever bears his name. How many other beats has the originator's name? I can't think of any besides BP.

Pollyanna · #9 09-26-2009, 04:00 PM

I can't think of any. Aydee mentioned the 50 Ways Groove by Steve Gadd but that got credited to the tune. I think that's more a distinctive one-off than a standard; I've not heard anyone play it to another tune

NUTHA JASON · #10 09-26-2009, 07:08 PM

the train beat and its variants - my favourite being gallows pole by led zep.

one drop reggae

i also like a lot of world beats like the soukous, the mozambique, the 6/8 mambo and the cruzado samba ... the list is enormous now that i start thinking of it.

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Pollyanna · #11 09-27-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NUTHA JASON

the train beat and its variants - my favourite being gallows pole by led zep.

one drop reggae

i also like a lot of world beats like the soukous, the mozambique, the 6/8 mambo and the cruzado samba ... the list is enormous now that i start thinking of it.

Yeah, the train beat. Good pickup, Jason. Agree about Gallows Pole - great. The drummer of an Aussie/Kiwi band, Kevin Borich Express, John Annas, used to do a killer train beat in Going Dowtown (unfortunately this link has another drummer who is good but not a monster like John was).

Another I've heard mentioned is the rock steady beat but I'm not sure what it is. Is that like the start of Honky Tonk Women?

And, to confirm, is the one drop reggae beat the one where you play slightly swung 1/8s on the hats and the kick drum on three?

I don't know the world beats you mention, though. Are there any examples? Googling hasn't been much help in all this, hence the thread. For some reason I find that talk of different rhythms is good for breaking out of drumming ruts and avoiding always playing the same old same old.

Cheers!

larryace · #12 09-27-2009, 05:27 AM

Agreed Polly rhythms are really what it's all about. I like this thread because it will remind me of beats I likely' haven't thought about lately, like Boogaloo.

aydee · #13 09-27-2009, 06:54 AM

Towards the end of this preview ( 2:58 ) , Roger Biwandu demonstrates the how-to-earn-a-living beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpZwMx_1RyY

Pollyanna · #14 09-27-2009, 11:23 AM

The money beat again!

Ah, another one just came to mind - the Bo Diddley Beat.

It's been played by a lot of people - The Stones - Not Fade Away, George Michael - Faith, The Doors - Who Do you Love, David Bowie - Panic in Detriot and no doubt many more. I think my fave rendition is by John Densmore in The Door's version of Who Do You Love.

Yeah Larry, that's what I was hoping for - a little treasure trove of great beats, often already known but just as often forgotten.

Pollyanna · #15 10-03-2009, 04:41 PM

A recent post by rhydianjlewis mentioned a hip hop beat called "the amen break", which I've found is based on an old gospel song Amen, brother.

Here's a mini documentary vid about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

rhydianjlewis · #16 10-03-2009, 04:53 PM

Amen to that!

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rhydianjlewis · #17 10-03-2009, 04:56 PM

And i agree with larryace, you forget the huge range of rhythms and possibilities within drumming sometimes, and its good to bring them back. listening to gallows pole now, awesome.

Steady Freddy · #18 10-03-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pollyanna

Another I've heard mentioned is the rock steady beat but I'm not sure what it is. Is that like the start of Honky Tonk Women?

The Rock Steady break is from the tune Rock Steady by Aretha Franklin with Bernard Purdie on drums. It was released in 71,

I heard a story that during that session Aretha dropped the sheet music and everyone stopped playing except for Bernard. Maybe it's an urban legend, but it's one of the greatest drum breaks ever.

Deltadrummer · #19 10-03-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Steady Freddy

The Rock Steady break is from the tune Rock Steady by Aretha Franklin with Bernard Purdie on drums. It was released in 71,

I heard a story that during that session Aretha dropped the sheet music and everyone stopped playing except for Bernard. Maybe it's an urban legend, but it's one of the greatest drum breaks ever.

It's not. I heard Purdie tell the story. The "rock . . .steady" during that part is Aretha keeping the singing going while on her knees getting the music.

another great groove is Soul Vaccination from Tower of Power. and Oakland Stroke or What is Hip? I don't think David Garibaldi is often given enough of his props.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c0QEgJ_0l0

Pollyanna · #20 10-23-2009, 01:06 PM

Just read someone chatting about the Funky Drummer Groove which Aydee posted before. Here's the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx69x111Yx4

Wavelength · #21 10-23-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by larryace

How many other beats has the originator's name? I can't think of any besides BP.

I hear the "Train" beat was invented by Jeff "Train" Wratts.

larryace · #22 10-23-2009, 06:36 PM

Ha ha Wave, you're not tripping me up on that one....

Neil · #23 04-09-2010, 07:41 PM

I've just stumbled across this thread, very interesting listenting to all the videos linked, I've booked marked them all. It's great how some beats are so simple yet way played with that special *something* really make a tune. Certainly my rendintion of 'Alright Now' needs some work to get really grooving.

Strangelove · #24 04-09-2010, 09:01 PM

Anything by the father of all polyrythms - Bernard Purdie............................don't need to splain no mre!

brady · #25 04-10-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Strangelove

Anything by the father of all polyrythms - Bernard Purdie............................don't need to splain no mre!

Speaking of 'splaining, what is the 'correct' way to play the half-time shuffle. With the left...
Do you play the middle partial of the third triplet immediately after the accent or do you leave it out and resume the ghost notes in the middle of the fourth triplet? Or is either acceptable? I've been messing around with it lately doing both versions.

Strangelove · #26 04-10-2010, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by brady

Speaking of 'splaining, what is the 'correct' way to play the half-time shuffle. With the left...
Do you play the middle partial of the third triplet immediately after the accent or do you leave it out and resume the ghost notes in the middle of the fourth triplet? Or is either acceptable? I've been messing around with it lately doing both versions.

The triplet is hat ghost hat - try practicing that by itself like Porcaro says in his video. Then work the snare note in when you are pretty proficient with the triplet and it sounds like you have a rythm going instead of a mechanical practice exercise. Then add the bass part as you are comfortable. It's probably easiest to go from the Purdie to the Fool in the Rain to the Roseanna shuffle in stages on the bass than to start the Roseanna (Bo Diddley) five bass note signature immediately. You have to be polyrythmic coordinated - ie your lower half is working on one rythm while your upper half is doing another - that's why Jeff says it's for intermediate drummers. I am no drum teacher by any means, but this is the best I can "splain" that. Another approach is to learn the Purdie shuffle first.

BassDriver · #27 04-10-2010, 10:36 AM

Don't forget the "We will rock you groove".

Strangelove · #28 04-10-2010, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by brady

Speaking of 'splaining, what is the 'correct' way to play the half-time shuffle. With the left...
Do you play the middle partial of the third triplet immediately after the accent or do you leave it out and resume the ghost notes in the middle of the fourth triplet? Or is either acceptable? I've been messing around with it lately doing both versions.

Sorry, my last answer probably didn't even address your question. OK, if I understand what you are asking, then I play it with ghost notes on each triplet except the third triplet which has the backbeat full strike on the snare. Is that better?

brady · #29 04-11-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Strangelove

Sorry, my last answer probably didn't even address your question. OK, if I understand what you are asking, then I play it with ghost notes on each triplet except the third triplet which has the backbeat full strike on the snare. Is that better?

Yeah, that's better. Thank you. As I said, I have been playing it both ways; with the ghosted 'trip' on 3, and without. One just sounds busier than the other...obviously Probably cool if that's what you're going for.
I like both ways, I was just wondering which was the "correct" Purdie shuffle. Thanks.

Michael McDanial · #30 04-11-2010, 09:03 AM

I like a lot of Latin beats, though I don't know the names for them.

joeysnare · #31 04-12-2010, 03:18 PM

i love playing the simple but fast stuff. traditional blasts, bomb blasts, corpse blasts, skank beats, gallop beats and lord help me i like to try and play it but i still suck at the shuffle lol.

mcbike · #32 04-13-2010, 12:34 AM

polka
two step
jig
reel
truffle (this one I think I made up, it's a train/shuffle)
second line
slip jig (this is common in irish music it's a fast 9/8)
bastard polka (my band does alot of songs and we call this one feel a bastard polka, but it's just a really HARD swung polka.

Aeolian · #33 04-13-2010, 04:07 AM

Playing with trad blues guys there are a million variations of shuffle.

Double shuffle
Rock shuffle (done with the kick drum and something the trad guys will turn up their noses at)
Texas shuffle
Backwards shuffle
Swing shuffle

There's another one that I don't know what its called that's all double hits together on the ride and snare (and one, and two...)

Then you get combinations like Tom Brecthlien does on Robben Ford's Misdirected Blues where he's doing a conventional double shuffle but bouncing the hat in a backwards shuffle.

BassDriver · #34 04-17-2010, 02:54 AM

Can someone find an example of Bo Diddley?

Pollyanna · #35 06-26-2010, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BassDriver

Can someone find an example of Bo Diddley?

The Stones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_zum97kjE

The Doors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EmD32AQzaQ

This leads me to a question that's been plaguing me ... I am clueless when it comes to identifying Latin / Afro-Cuban etc rhythms ...

There's a beat I often play and I'm sure it has a name. Does anyone know? It's in the main theme of The Doors's Who Do You Love.

Some time ago I found a site that clearly identified Latin beats and had small audio samples of each but I lost the link ... does anyone know the site?

Deltadrummer · #36 06-26-2010, 03:20 PM

Great stuff Polly, and then you have this . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjl_b7QbsyE

You really know your Bo Diddley.

Pollyanna · #37 06-26-2010, 03:54 PM

Ah yes, the old Rosanna beat - a Bo Diddley and a Purdie shuffle all in one. Boy, did Jeff's talent save that group from terminal boringness! :)

Ken, do you know what the Who Do You Love beat is called?

Deltadrummer · #38 06-26-2010, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pollyanna

Ah yes, the old Rosanna beat - a Bo Diddley and a Purdie shuffle all in one. Boy, did Jeff's talent save that group from terminal boringness! :)

Ken, do you know what the Who Do You Love beat is called?

It's another Bo Diddley.

larryace · #39 06-26-2010, 04:06 PM

As an aside, poor guitarists in the south would hammer 2 nails in the side of a barn or something, stretch a piece of baling or other wire between the nails and play it with a slide...The structure would act like a big guitar body.
They called that a Diddley Bow.
Gotta wonder if that's the origin of Bo's name.

Pollyanna · #40 06-26-2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deltadrummer

It's another Bo Diddley.

Really?? But the beats seem so different to me! Dum .. dum dadum dada dum vs Da da dum da dada da dum dum.

Last week my band decided to do uptempo versions of our quiet numbers because we keep getting non-chill gigs and end up boring everyone to tears. Cry Me a River is one of those songs ... I've attached the revved-up version (please pardon massive roughness, it's a work in progress).

So that beat is a Bo Diddley variation too? Not some kind of Latin-y rumba nova thingamabob? Sorry to labour the point and please pardon my ignorance but I'm curious ...