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Old 08-25-2009, 06:09 AM
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Hey , guys im wondering how can i dampen my floor tom. My friend told me that to get an old skin for your tom and cut it out and place it on my floor tom he said it works but im just wondering if theres an other way please get back to me and another thing. my one tom that i use im trying to get the best sound out it any tips please comment thanks

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Old 08-25-2009, 06:28 AM
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Welcome to the forum DrummerMitchh... yes, that is the Old School way of dampening a tom. Works great. You can also try Moongel if you just want to get rid of some of those overtones. The Moon Gel is washable and re-usable forever and can be moved around to suit your preference in sound. The worst thing about Moongel is, they like to grow little legs and disappear sometimes. lol
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:18 PM
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Oh lol , ok thanks ill look into it
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Old 08-25-2009, 05:21 PM
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An old trick (that's why I know it) for taming floor toms that have too long a sustain is to use a 2-ply head for the reso.
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Old 08-30-2009, 11:31 PM
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the trick about floor toms is that while behind the kit they seem to have a lot of resonance, out front, they really don't. The low end resonance also gets lost in the music as well. It's best to have the bigger drums more live
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Old 08-31-2009, 12:17 AM
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Hi
I have found using a thicker resonance(bottom) hit helps...As drumtechdad suggested. Denis
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:43 AM
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and then reappear after you have bought some more.

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Old 09-02-2009, 04:24 PM
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If I were President, I'd make it a felony to dampen any tom.
Different strokes though.
I just abhor that dead sound, yuck.
Just an opinion, not an attack.
Dampen away though if that's the sound that does it for you. Moongel, or remo rings work well. Duct tape w/ a folded up napkin, you can put a tee shirt over the tom, or a handkerchief.
You could use hydraulic heads (oil filled) with no damping and still kill the drum nicely though. Or if it's not dead enough, you could use hydraulic and moongels. Then you will really castrate your drum.

Overtones are beautiful, I wish people would stop damping.
Sorry for the sarcasm. It's like taking a beautiful woman and covering her up with a blanket.
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Old 09-02-2009, 04:45 PM
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If I were President, I'd make it a felony to dampen any tom.
Different strokes though.
I just abhor that dead sound, yuck.
Just an opinion, not an attack.
Dampen away though if that's the sound that does it for you. Moongel, or remo rings work well. Duct tape w/ a folded up napkin, you can put a tee shirt over the tom, or a handkerchief.
You could use hydraulic heads (oil filled) with no damping and still kill the drum nicely though. Or if it's not dead enough, you could use hydraulic and moongels. Then you will really castrate your drum.

Overtones are beautiful, I wish people would stop damping.
Sorry for the sarcasm. It's like taking a beautiful woman and covering her up with a blanket.
Yes I agree totally, when I first started too play up till I was about 18 I used to dampen my drums but then I realized it really kills your drum you have to learn how to tune period.

now some types of music like reggae they like dampen drums a lot of true reggae drummers use concert toms I've been to Jamaica & that's all I seen concert toms could also be an option if that's what your going after and there cheap nowadays.
it's just not my thang LOL

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Old 09-03-2009, 04:23 PM
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If I were President, I'd make it a felony to dampen any tom.
Different strokes though.
I just abhor that dead sound, yuck.
Just an opinion, not an attack.
Dampen away though if that's the sound that does it for you. Moongel, or remo rings work well. Duct tape w/ a folded up napkin, you can put a tee shirt over the tom, or a handkerchief.
You could use hydraulic heads (oil filled) with no damping and still kill the drum nicely though. Or if it's not dead enough, you could use hydraulic and moongels. Then you will really castrate your drum.

Overtones are beautiful, I wish people would stop damping.
Sorry for the sarcasm. It's like taking a beautiful woman and covering her up with a blanket.
Well, I'm with you in spirit, but the constitution does not give the president that power. You should shoot for "king." ;-)

It should be said that some muffling--either built-in to the heads or added--is almost always required when playing under the mics. Many drummers don't know, however, that a kit thus set up will sound soft and lifeless when playing out unmiked.
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:26 PM
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It should be said that some muffling--either built-in to the heads or added--is almost always required when playing under the mics.
Why? Do you think the overtones cause problems? I play unmuffled and miced everytime I gig, and love the sound. I use clear G1's on top and Evans clear GPlus as reso's. I use 1 overhead condenser mic, a snare mic and a kick mic. I close mic when recording, each drum has it's own mic, and they are always unmuffled and don't have any issues there either.

I just love the sound of a drum with all it's glorious frequencies intact.
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Old 09-04-2009, 03:10 AM
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Why? Do you think the overtones cause problems? I play unmuffled and miced everytime I gig, and love the sound. I use clear G1's on top and Evans clear GPlus as reso's. I use 1 overhead condenser mic, a snare mic and a kick mic. I close mic when recording, each drum has it's own mic, and they are always unmuffled and don't have any issues there either.

I just love the sound of a drum with all it's glorious frequencies intact.
Well, more engineers/soundmen are embracing a little ring and a more open sound these days.

Here's the thing. When you're playing out unmiked, a lot of sustain is a good thing, it's what gets you heard. But the audience doesn't hear that sustain--they just hear louder drums. But when you stick a microphone 1" from the batters it's getting all the sustain, and the traditional thinking is that it muddies things up. Sound guys want clarity more than anything, so they go for a clean, dry, short sound from everything on the kit.

Not saying it's right, but there it is. I like lively drums and I think you're hearing it a bit more these days both live and in the studio.
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:33 AM
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Mmmmm....... lively drums....... Oooowhoooo (said like Homer Simpson)
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Old 09-07-2009, 05:41 PM
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On my 16 and 14 floor toms I use Evans coated G1's on the batter side and clear EC2's on the resonant side. WHAT!!!! 2ply heads on the resonant side, you ask???? NEVER!!!! Well I thought so too, until I tried it as an experement one day and the results were amazing!. My floor toms now have the right amount of resonance and don't sound dead or boxy. Don't take my word for it, try this and you will be surprised.
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Old 10-06-2009, 10:41 PM
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An old trick (that's why I know it) for taming floor toms that have too long a sustain is to use a 2-ply head for the reso.
I tried that but 2 ply resos acually lengthen the sustain but lower the pitch.
A shorter sustain is achieved by a thinner reso but at the cost of higher pitch.

Taming floor toms can only be successfully achieved with a muffled head.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:01 PM
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Personally i think that if you want to dampen your drum down then the best way to do it is to simply tune it down, i've got a floor tom that's tuned very low and even though there is no moongel and it's just a standard 2 ply head there is basically a lot of attack and not a lot of sustain.
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Old 10-07-2009, 06:26 AM
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to the original question... you can buy aquarian performance 2 heads.. but i would recommend learning to tune properly, as what eddiehimself said.
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Old 10-07-2009, 05:52 PM
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I tried that but 2 ply resos acually lengthen the sustain but lower the pitch.
A shorter sustain is achieved by a thinner reso but at the cost of higher pitch.

Taming floor toms can only be successfully achieved with a muffled head.
2-plies generally have shorter sustain than single-plies due to friction between the layers. That's why the trick works.

It is true that thicker = more sustain, but that assumes the same number of plies.
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Old 10-07-2009, 07:40 PM
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2-plies generally have shorter sustain than single-plies due to friction between the layers. That's why the trick works.

It is true that thicker = more sustain, but that assumes the same number of plies.
You're mistaken. There's a difference between how a head acts as batter or reso.


2 ply batter = shorter attack

2 ply reso = longer sustain


If you don't believe it, try it out and listen. I did.
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Old 10-08-2009, 07:58 PM
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You're mistaken. There's a difference between how a head acts as batter or reso.


2 ply batter = shorter attack

2 ply reso = longer sustain


If you don't believe it, try it out and listen. I did.
You're probably right, I've only been at this for 40+ years, and I never try what I recommend--I go by belief.
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Little late to this thread but nobody mentioned my old trick so thought I would share.
While I agree with everyone that resonance of a properly tuned drum is a beautiful thing, there are times when other low frequency sources like Bass, Keyboards or even your own Kick drum can cause a sympathetic vibration in a floor tom that drives sound guys crazy and tends to add low frequency mud to the mix.
To deaden it slightly without gutting the tone I use an "analog gate". Cut about a 3" x 2" piece of felt and just toss it into the drum. You can also use a wad of cotton or small piece of an old t-shirt. As long as it's small and light enough it will bounce up in the air when the stick hits the batter head and won't deaden the initial tone. Then it settles back down and just deadens the ring of the res head. Works pretty well and it's cheap! Try it!

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Old 12-14-2009, 02:42 AM
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Will using 2-ply heads for the reso side do the trick?
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:43 AM
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Little late to this thread but nobody mentioned my old trick so thought I would share.
While I agree with everyone that resonance of a properly tuned drum is a beautiful thing, there are times when other low frequency sources like Bass, Keyboards or even your own Kick drum can cause a sympathetic vibration in a floor tom that drives sound guys crazy and tends to add low frequency mud to the mix.
To deaden it slightly without gutting the tone I use an "analog gate". Cut about a 3" x 2" piece of felt and just toss it into the drum. You can also use a wad of cotton or small piece of an old t-shirt. As long as it's small and light enough it will bounce up in the air when the stick hits the batter head and won't deaden the initial tone. Then it settles back down and just deadens the ring of the res head. Works pretty well and it's cheap! Try it!

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