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Old 06-10-2009, 12:43 PM
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New member. I like vintage drums and noticed there wasnt a thread dedicated to Vintage drums.

I'll get the ball rolling.



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1962 (?) Premier Olympic

Pre International sizes (to closest inch)

12" x 8" Tom
16" x 16" Floor tom
20" x 14" Bass drum

Boston Gigster snare

14" x 4"

Cymbals

15" Ajax Super high hats - I know these have a terrible rep, but they sound awesome.
20" Sabian Artisan Medium Ride
22" Sabian Artisan Light Ride

Original hardware except the crash stand.
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Old 06-10-2009, 02:36 PM
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Well, I'll start with this early seventies Preimer kit in a black diamond pearl finish.
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Old 06-10-2009, 03:58 PM
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My 1971 Slingerlands. Was a chrome wrap and now a pink sparkle wrap. All bearing edges were re-cut and the plies needed re-gluing. 3 ply shells, outer ply is mahogany, middle ply is poplar and inner ply is maple. Using coated ambassadors on top and clear ambassadors on bottom. Nice retro sound. The bass drum had an EMAD single ply with an Aquarian regulator front. Nice deep punch, not retro but I like the deepness.
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Old 06-10-2009, 06:13 PM
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...thw early seventies Premier kit That I just picked up.





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Old 06-10-2009, 08:31 PM
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what are the restrictions for "vintage"?
i have an early '92 slingerland maple 20 12 14 kit.
its not an antique but is it vintage?
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:59 PM
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what are the restrictions for "vintage"?
i have an early '92 slingerland maple 20 12 14 kit.
its not an antique but is it vintage?
i think generally its gotta be 25 years old or older to be 'vintage'
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Old 06-10-2009, 10:18 PM
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I would agree. I think a 25+ years old would be a nice age to define "vintage". Although vintage is classes as "not common to this era".

Baz, walrus, nice premier's

2bsticks, thats a sexy sling mate.
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Old 06-10-2009, 10:32 PM
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i really feel like vintage is more of an era than an age...
what i mean: in 2017 my kit will be "vintage"...
no no no. i think that there are kits of a particular era (id say... pre-'75) that are truly vintage.

i guess its like classic cars. "antique" is +25 years, but just because a car is old doesnt make it classic. i only feel this way because i dont know what itll be like when 80's power toms become "vintage". i think that term should be reserved for older gretsch, rogers, sling, premier, ludwig, sonor, etc. kits... there is a certain nostalgia those kits have that was lost in the later years.

ps. is there a "show us your slingerland kit" thread?
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Old 06-10-2009, 11:39 PM
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How about this one? Rogers silver glass glitter from mid sixties, 8x12,16x16,14x20.
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i really feel like vintage is more of an era than an age...
what i mean: in 2017 my kit will be "vintage"...
no no no. i think that there are kits of a particular era (id say... pre-'75) that are truly vintage.

i guess its like classic cars. "antique" is +25 years, but just because a car is old doesnt make it classic. i only feel this way because i dont know what itll be like when 80's power toms become "vintage". i think that term should be reserved for older gretsch, rogers, sling, premier, ludwig, sonor, etc. kits... there is a certain nostalgia those kits have that was lost in the later years.

ps. is there a "show us your slingerland kit" thread?
But i think this is precisely the problem, isn't it? This is why most of the beautiful old cars were discarded back in the day. 10 years on people just thought "oh, i can't imagine them ever being "vintage", there's just a nostalga about older cars that this simply doesn't have." Same with everything really such as houses. There was a time in the 1950s when everybody put MDF over their victorian panel doors and replaced their fireplaces with ugly gas units because it was "the new thing". Of course now everybody hates that sort of thing.

The thing you were saying about cars doesn't really stand up i think either. Sure there are cars that have always been and always will be ugly. Such as the ford mustang from the late 80s, the one that just looks the same as a ford sierra. However what about other cars from that era such as the lambo countach and the mercedes 300SL? Back until a few years ago people probably thought those cars were just 80s monstrosites but now they've become quite desirable so you can't just slate everything from a particular era because there will always be good and bad stuff from any era, even your beloved 60s probably was mostly just beginner crap with uneven bearing edges and stick thin hardware which couldn't hold up a doughnut let alone a ride cymbal. However the kits you see here are really the kits that have lasted due to their quality and good design. I'm sure once you've waded through all the crap from the 80s there will be some real gems in their own right which aren't just some copies off kits from the 60s.
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Old 06-11-2009, 12:50 PM
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To me vintage denotes the classic drums of yesteryear, in traditional sizes before the eighties sort to speak. All that powertom and whatnot does not, and probably never will, classify as "vintage" in my book. But ok, it is a highly debatable issue and to provide a single exhaustive definition is virtually impossible. But vintage, for me, mean sthe classic drums of yesteryear, in traditional sizes, prior to the eighties.

Here's my vintage Sonor Teardrop from 1964. 20x14, 13x9, 16x14,5, 14x5.
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Old 06-11-2009, 02:31 PM
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How does that Sonor kit sound? There is a guy here in town that is selling one like yours in a different finish for $700.Those look fantastic.
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Old 06-11-2009, 04:03 PM
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Imo its sounds absolutely fantastic. Perhaps somewhat dry because of the full rounded bearing edges, but it has that undeniable vintage tone. I am madly in love with it. I would definately recommend it.

Note: mine is the 3ply superthin (3 mm or something?) shell with re-rings. Later (>1965) Teardrops had 6 ply 6mm shells without re-rings if I'm not mistaking. I guess sound-wise they are pretty similar, with a little more presence and projection on part of the 6ply.

/edit: found a soundfile from a while ago. Recorded with my Zoom H4 lying next to me (hi-hat side) on a table. That room sounds terrible, it sounds just a tad more resonant IRL, but you get the idea. Excuse the playing.
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Do any of yall know if this is a vintage set??!!?? its not mine but a friends and I was wondering if it was a vintage set or not. So yall drummers with extensive knowledge bout drums, now is your time to share it.Name:  tn.jpg
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Old 06-11-2009, 04:11 PM
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It's a Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz. Not vintage, but does have the looks. It is a cool kit, Gretsch really got their act together for that one.
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Old 06-11-2009, 04:15 PM
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It's a Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz. Not vintage, but does have the looks. It is a cool kit, Gretsch really got their act together for that one.
Thanks. I really didn't know, he just sayed it was a gretsch. He sayed he really like vintage though, that's probably why he got one that looked like it.
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Old 06-11-2009, 07:58 PM
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Jake thats a beautiful Sonor. I remember playing a Sonor from the 80's a few years ago and its hardware was certainly sturdy and heavy. Im loving the old school Premierish hardware on those drums.

Vintage.

Beastdrummagirl: That gretsch set sure looks and feels vintage, a good friend of mine had one recently and it was a stellar drum set for the price he paid for it, which im sure was the nice side of 300. Gretsch certainly have made a nice modern set with a vintage "feel".
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Old 06-11-2009, 11:33 PM
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...thw early seventies Premier kit That I just picked up.





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Old 06-12-2009, 05:12 AM
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Imo its sounds absolutely fantastic. Perhaps somewhat dry because of the full rounded bearing edges, but it has that undeniable vintage tone. I am madly in love with it. I would definately recommend it.

Note: mine is the 3ply superthin (3 mm or something?) shell with re-rings. Later (>1965) Teardrops had 6 ply 6mm shells without re-rings if I'm not mistaking. I guess sound-wise they are pretty similar, with a little more presence and projection on part of the 6ply.

/edit: found a soundfile from a while ago. Recorded with my Zoom H4 lying next to me (hi-hat side) on a table. That room sounds terrible, it sounds just a tad more resonant IRL, but you get the idea. Excuse the playing.
Those sound great Jake, but I'm wondering if they would work for me, playing in a classic rock band..
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:51 PM
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I am in California right now so I can't get you pic of my stuff right now, but if any of you guys are in need of a vintage fix check out www.vintageghost.net
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:49 AM
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Just got these....
Ludwig Downbeat dated 1965.
Along with DW Craviotto Snare.
Zildjian K cymbals (with A custom hats)
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:12 AM
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Oh baby! You know, there are a lot of beautiful kits out there, a lot of the modern kits are stunning, but there is nothing like a nice vintage kit.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:15 AM
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Here's another beauty....

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Old 06-15-2009, 05:23 AM
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My latest beauty....

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Hello everyone, I'm a vintage drum fan and I know what I'm about to post isn't exactly vintage but for 2009 this is the next best thing to it. I recently have been endorsed by C&C drums and highly recomenned anyone interested in vintage gear to check them out. www.canadccustomdrums.com Chow

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Hello everyone, I'm a vintage drum fan and I know what I'm about to post isn't exactly vintage but for 2009 this is the next best thing to it. I recently have been endorsed by C&C drums and highly recomenned anyone interested in vintage gear to check them out. www.canadccustomdrums.com Chow

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Nice plug!

I'm sorry but I have to disagree that C&C is the next best thing to vintage drums. It's really I'm going to the coast....
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Nice plug!

I'm sorry but I have to disagree that C&C is the next best thing to vintage drums. It's really I'm going to the coast....
just curious, excluding "solid" construction, what do you think is the next best thing to vintage? for me, solid, stave, and segment are tops, then vintage, then high quality custom...
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Guys, a lot of the mistique about vintage kits is who they were made by, Ludwig, Slingerland, Gretsch and Rogers were the big guns. Now there are a ton of new companies making great kits, especially these custom makers like C&C, but they will never have the popularity or staying power as those four companies I mentioned. That's what I think anyway.
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"Guys, a lot of the mistique about vintage kits is who they were made by, Ludwig, Slingerland, Gretsch and Rogers were the big guns."

You forgot to mention Premier in that list for us old UK dwelling drummers. One of the first to manufacture todays recognised Traps sets.
Also, the company who gave Ringo Starr his first kit!
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Yes, you are correct, sorry, but I did post a picture of a vintage Premier kit earlier in this thread.
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Here's mine. I've been playing them live, alternating them with my Yamaha kit. I have the tuning dialed in quite well now and they sound freakin' huge with the kick drum just blowing out your bowels. Very, very fun to play.
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Vintage Ludwig 3 ply maple kit (clear maple interiors) in green sparkle a la John Bonham's recording kit.
26x14 kick drum (1974) with rail consolette tom mount and cymbal mount.
14x10 tom (1970) 6 lugs with tone control muffler ( I don't use them but they're original to the drum so I kept them intact)
16x16 floor tom (1970) with tone control muffler
16x18 floor tom (1974) with tone control muffler
All batter heads Remo coated emperors, all resonant heads Remo coated ambassadors. The kick drum has felt strips front and back to control overtones, that's it.

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Rogers, 8x12, 9x13, 16x16, 14x20 and a matching maple Dyna-sonic snare WMP. All matching Rogers hardware, but the high-hat stand isn't in the picture....I owned it for 35 years and sold it last year for an obscene amount of money.
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What the, did you not keep that set?
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Old 06-29-2009, 11:59 PM
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Well....I'm an idiot! I traded it for a new Ludwig classic maple set. The kit sounded and looked great, but it didn't have the same vibe as the vintage Ludwigs, not to mention resale value.
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my love for vintage ludwigs in champagne sparkle ........ ummmmmmmmm yum yum

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some lovely kits here
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