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Old 06-07-2009, 04:12 AM
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Well, it seems my dream kit is only $800 away. Ayotte drumSmith line kit from craiglist for $800, it's in a natural finish.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:01 AM
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She’s a beauty, and only $800. Those lugs look cool. Are you going to jump on that deal?
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:09 AM
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She’s a beauty, and only $800. Those lugs look cool. Are you going to jump on that deal?
The guy is going to hold them for a week, got to sell some drums fast.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:13 AM
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Those are pretty nice...and I don't want to burst your bubble - but DrumSmith is Ayotte's low-budget, mass-produced, Asian-made brand. It's not the same as their custom line which is handmade in Canada.

I'm sure they sound great, either way.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:31 AM
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Those are pretty nice...and I don't want to burst your bubble - but DrumSmith is Ayotte's low-budget, mass-produced, Asian-made brand. It's not the same as their custom line which is handmade in Canada.

I'm sure they sound great, either way.
No bubbles bursting here, I know all about them, they may be made in Taiwan, but they use the same shells and hardware as the Canadian kits and these were made when Ray Ayotte was still owner of the company. I use to own one, the best kit I've ever played.
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Old 06-08-2009, 04:31 PM
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wow. great kit. I hope you can snag it!
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:43 AM
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My drum instructor has three Ayotte kits....

Most definitely the best kits I've ever played on. Granted, I'm only 16 and haven't been around that long drumming or gottent hat many opportunities but those things are beauties... And they sound AWESOME too.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:21 AM
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Ayotte is a Keller customizer. Are they shipping Kellers to Asia for finishing, then back here, to hold costs down?
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:43 AM
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Ayotte is a Keller customizer. Are they shipping Kellers to Asia for finishing, then back here, to hold costs down?
The drumSmith line is no longer offered, from what I understand they shipped all the shells and hardware from Canada to Taiwan and had them assembled. This was during the Ray Ayotte years, he wanted to make a kit that more people could afford, so instead of paying $4,000 for a kit you could buy a drumSmith kit for about half that, withoiut sacrificing sound or quality.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:06 PM
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The drumSmith line is no longer offered, from what I understand they shipped all the shells and hardware from Canada to Taiwan and had them assembled. This was during the Ray Ayotte years, he wanted to make a kit that more people could afford, so instead of paying $4,000 for a kit you could buy a drumSmith kit for about half that, withoiut sacrificing sound or quality.
I think I just fail to see how shipping materials half way across the earth strictly for assembly could possibly reduce the cost of a kit by 50%
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Old 06-09-2009, 07:33 PM
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I think I just fail to see how shipping materials half way across the earth strictly for assembly could possibly reduce the cost of a kit by 50%
Cheaper labor = cheaper prices. Drum material is not all that expensive. It's the labor cost that gets you.
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Old 06-11-2009, 01:21 AM
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he wanted to make a kit that more people could afford, so instead of paying $4,000 for a kit you could buy a drumSmith kit for about half that, withoiut sacrificing sound or quality.
By entrusting construction and QC to countries with SLAVE LABOR you most definitely sacrificing quality.

Glaring examples of this are:
OCDP Newport Series
Gretch Catalina
Pork Pie Little Squealer
Sonor Force
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Old 06-11-2009, 05:21 AM
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By entrusting construction and QC to countries with SLAVE LABOR you most definitely sacrificing quality.

Glaring examples of this are:
OCDP Newport Series
Gretch Catalina
Pork Pie Little Squealer
Sonor Force
That shows how much you know, Ray Ayotte was not going to let crappy drums hit the market with his name on it. I owned a Ayotte drumSmith kit, it was as well made as any kit I've seen and sounded better than any kit I've played.
Sonor does the same thing with the less expensive kits they have made in Taiwan, they send people there to insure quality control.
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Old 06-11-2009, 04:25 PM
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That shows how much you know. I owned a Ayotte drumSmith kit, it was as well made as any kit I've seen and sounded better than any kit I've played.
Sonor does the same thing with the less expensive kits they have made in Taiwan, they send people there to insure quality control.
A Drum Smith kit is the best sounding kit you've ever played? Really?
While sound quality is subjective, I think that speaks to your lack of experience on drum kits, not to mine.

Sonor's Force line is made in China, by the way. Not Taiwan.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:34 AM
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A Drum Smith kit is the best sounding kit you've ever played? Really?
While sound quality is subjective, I think that speaks to your lack of experience on drum kits, not to mine.

Sonor's Force line is made in China, by the way. Not Taiwan.
Well let's see Mr. hateplow, (if that's your real name), I've owned a newer Ludwig maple classic, Premier Genista, Yamaha birch absolute, Mapex Saturn, Pacific maple, DW snare, Gretsch catalina, Pearl session, Sonor, Fibes, not to mention several vintage Ludwigs, Slingerland, Rogers, and a custom made kit using keller shells.

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Old 06-12-2009, 03:44 AM
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A Drum Smith kit is the best sounding kit you've ever played? Really?
While sound quality is subjective, I think that speaks to your lack of experience on drum kits, not to mine.

Sonor's Force line is made in China, by the way. Not Taiwan.
Wow , that's pretty cold and rude. He obviously has more experience than you imagined or give him credit for.
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:08 AM
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Wow , that's pretty cold and rude. He obviously has more experience than you imagined or give him credit for.
Not to worry, hateplow has anger management issues, you should have seen some of the pm's he's sent me and some of his comments on youtube. He's ok though and he does have a nice kit, like to see him play it sometime, wink,wink.
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Old 06-12-2009, 07:05 AM
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By entrusting construction and QC to countries with SLAVE LABOR you most definitely sacrificing quality.

Glaring examples of this are:
OCDP Newport Series
Gretch Catalina
Pork Pie Little Squealer
Sonor Force
Asian factories can practice great quality control.

My issue is keeping money in the U.S. or at least a First-World nation that practices environmental protection and fair labor laws. I purchased my kit directly from the maker in Australia. All the money went directly to support him and his family. Not everyone can afford to do that but everyone should try to support it as much as possible.
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Old 06-12-2009, 02:45 PM
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I think I just fail to see how shipping materials half way across the earth strictly for assembly could possibly reduce the cost of a kit by 50%

Just so you know, all the hardware is made in asia.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:02 PM
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Wow , that's pretty cold and rude. He obviously has more experience than you imagined or give him credit for.
Easy buddy.

"The Walrus" - as he's called now - is the guy who has been banned more than once from this forum for flaming, not me.
Take my criticisms of him as you will.

I stand by my statement that an Ayotte Drumsmith kit is not the best sounding kit out there.
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Old 06-12-2009, 08:13 PM
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Easy buddy.

"The Walrus" - as he's called now - is the guy who has been banned more than once from this forum for flaming, not me.
Take my criticisms of him as you will.

I stand by my statement that an Ayotte Drumsmith kit is not the best sounding kit out there.
Well, I never said it was the best sounding kit out there, I said it was the best sounding kit I've played on and I'm going by experience of playing live shows trying to compete with electric guitars. When I played the Ayotte, it had great projection and the tone was incredible, it cut through everything and made playing easier.

FYI, I've never flamed anyone, I just voiced my opinion, you on the other hand have posted rude comments towards me on youtube and sent me pm's with foul language.
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Well, I never said it was the best sounding kit out there, I said it was the best sounding kit I've played on and I'm going by experience of playing live shows trying to compete with electric guitars. When I played the Ayotte, it had great projection and the tone was incredible, it cut through everything and made playing easier.

FYI, I've never flamed anyone, I just voiced my opinion, you on the other hand have posted rude comments towards me on youtube and sent me pm's with foul language.
Let's agree to disagree.
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Old 06-12-2009, 11:37 PM
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No problem hateplow, but c'mon, put some videos up so we can hear that nice Sonor kit you have.
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Well, I never said it was the best sounding kit out there, I said it was the best sounding kit I've played on and I'm going by experience of playing live shows trying to compete with electric guitars. When I played the Ayotte, it had great projection and the tone was incredible, it cut through everything and made playing easier.

FYI, I've never flamed anyone, I just voiced my opinion, you on the other hand have posted rude comments towards me on youtube and sent me pm's with foul language.
Take a look here... Let's have a look at the username...
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ght=my+ayottes

Ok, now go here and have another look at about 1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJwlv...eature=channel

Still in denial ? This should put a stop to this before it goes any farther. If you are going to be here or allowed to be here. Knock off the stick poking. We know who are, we know your multiple identities.
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Old 06-13-2009, 06:04 AM
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Take a look here... Let's have a look at the username...
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ght=my+ayottes

Ok, now go here and have another look at about 1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJwlv...eature=channel

Still in denial ? This should put a stop to this before it goes any farther. If you are going to be here or allowed to be here. Knock off the stick poking. We know who are, we know your multiple identities.
Well, you guys seem to be trying to get me to say something nasty, not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.

I've never been called a "stick poker", not sure if I like it, however, that might go over well with the ladies.
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Old 06-15-2009, 09:47 PM
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To quote The Walrus

"I'm going by experience of playing live shows trying to compete with electric guitars......it cut through everything and made playing easier."

Forgive me sir, but as a drummer and a musician you should not be trying to compete with anyone. Music is not a competition.
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To quote The Walrus

"I'm going by experience of playing live shows trying to compete with electric guitars......it cut through everything and made playing easier."

Forgive me sir, but as a drummer and a musician you should not be trying to compete with anyone. Music is not a competition.
You sir, obviously don't play with electric guitars and loud pa's, for if you did you would know that different kits perform differently in live situations. The Ayotte kit I used performed the best. When I say "compete" I don't mean like a musical competition, I'm refering to volume and being able to hear my kit unmiked over electric instruments

If you have a beef with music competitions, you should focus your rage against the WFD.
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Old 06-17-2009, 01:20 PM
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Ive played more live gigs whith electric guitars and PA systems than you have had hot dinners, do not be so quick to assume, as "assume" only makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".

Also WFD has more in common with sport than musicality, which im sure many WFD competitors will be happy to inform you.

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Ive played more live gigs whith electric guitars and PA systems than you have had hot dinners, do not be so quick to assume, as "assume" only makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".

Also WFD has more in common with sport than musicality, which im sure many WFD competitors will be happy to inform you.

Good day.
That's my point, it's not about drumming. As far as playing more live gigs, well I've been doing this for twenty years and have gone through so many kits that I've lost count, no need to get nasty. I know that's what some of you guys do around here, but I'm not falling for your tricks again.
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Old 06-17-2009, 03:58 PM
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"As far as playing more live gigs, well I've been doing this for twenty years

40+ Years

"and have gone through so many kits that I've lost count,"

Nothing to be proud of. All the gear and no idea springs to mind?

"no need to get nasty. I know that's what some of you guys do around here, but I'm not falling for your tricks again."

Im being more than civil my friend.

I recieved a PM from a longstanding member of this forum disclosing information about your ill temper and foul, degrading mouth, warning me away from future correspondence, so lets leave this discussion.

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"As far as playing more live gigs, well I've been doing this for twenty years

40+ Years

"and have gone through so many kits that I've lost count,"

Nothing to be proud of. All the gear and no idea springs to mind?

"no need to get nasty. I know that's what some of you guys do around here, but I'm not falling for your tricks again."

Im being more than civil my friend.

I recieved a PM from a longstanding member of this forum disclosing information about your ill temper and foul, degrading mouth, warning me away from future correspondence, so lets leave this discussion.

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Well, why did you even bother writing this? I've been here long enough to know how some of you guys work, it's not me brother. All I did was post a topic about Ayotte drums and so far two guys have insenuated that I don't know anything about drums and I don't have enough experience playing.

If I only played two kits in my life and played as many gigs I still have the right to voice my opinion on which kit I think sounds the best in a live situation.

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