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Old 05-28-2009, 08:01 PM
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Default Ludwig 6 Ply?

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Any Ludwig experts who can help. I've noticed 6 ply shells with different thicknesses. Did they change the shells in the early 80's? I understand that Ludwig changed shell configurations a lot in later years (as well as introducing the terms Classic and Super Classic every few years to confuse drummers). But specifically, anything in the early 80's rounded b/o badge era?

Drums I currently have, what I thought to be, the official 6 ply introduced in the mid 70's (b/o badges and numbers jive with that time) are 5/16" thick with M/P/M/P/P/M (outside to inside)

The thicker 6 ply shells (3/8") I have come across all have riveted seams, short lug inserts, and rounded b/o badges (2,xxx,xxx -3,xxx,xxx). The plies are the same M/P/M/P/P/M. Until recently, I had only seen the thicker shell with single headed toms, so I thought maybe they were the melodic toms I had seem in the Ludwig catalogues. Then I got a whole kit with the thicker shells.

Unless I can't count plies right, uh, wot's the deal?

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Old 06-04-2009, 01:57 PM
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It's funny you should ask this, because I've got a 6 ply Lud bass drum from the 80's with the shell 5/16" thick. That bass drum is 16" deep with the rivited seems, so I know it's from the early 80's. I initially thought it was maybe a fake, but nobody would go through the trouble of putting rivets in the shell, and the shells don't fetch enough money to warrant faking them. I've got several 6 ply Luds, and all of them except for that one bass drum, are 3/8" thick. So, you have a whole kit that's 5/16" thick? How deep is the bass drum? I think some of these shells being different thicknesses could've just been mistakes, or experiments. Ludwig in the 80's was going through alot of transitions, so it could've been any # of things. I don't think they stopped making the 6 ply shell until the mid 90's, but I do think the thickness varied a bit after Ludwig moved to the NC plant in the mid 80's. There was a 4 ply shell made in the late 80's that was 5/16" thick, but those seem quite rare.
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Old 06-06-2009, 05:00 PM
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The 5/16" thick drums I have on hand include a chrome over maple bass drum, a natural maple floor tom and a marching snare. The 24" x 14" BD has a pointy corner b/o badge (1,6xx,xxx), thin bass spurs and no rivets; the floor tom has a rounded badge (2,0xx,xxx); and the snare had no badge, and had riveted seams. I had another pointy corner b/o badge floor tom years ago that I'm nearly certain had the 5/16" thick shell, as well.

Will the real 6 ply please stand up...
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Old 06-07-2009, 01:13 AM
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Unless I can't count plies right, uh, wot's the deal?
Aparently 1/16 of an inch.
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:13 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig 6 Ply?

if any of you want to see my ludwig classic maples with an african waterfall bubinga finish you can watch my video on youtube. the toms and bass are 6 plies while the snare is a supraphonic. just to let you all know i didn't use any mics so it doesn't sound amazing. but you can still get a good idea of how they sound, i just used a camcorder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oh49qyQt4M
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Old 07-14-2009, 07:30 PM
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if any of you want to see my ludwig classic maples with an african waterfall bubinga finish you can watch my video on youtube. the toms and bass are 6 plies while the snare is a supraphonic. just to let you all know i didn't use any mics so it doesn't sound amazing. but you can still get a good idea of how they sound, i just used a camcorder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oh49qyQt4M
I think you're mistaken...these are probably the newer 7-ply, 6mm Classic Maple shells, which are much thinner than the shells discussed in the thread.

Very nice kit though!
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