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Old 05-04-2009, 07:00 AM
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Hello,

I recently put some new heads on the toms of my Yamaha maple Custom set and made a short recording.

Drums are 10x7.5 12x8 14x12 16x14 20x16 with a 14x5.5 Yamaha copper snare.

The tom reso's are clear G1's

1.Can you guess the drumheads on the tom batters from listening to the sound file?
2. Do you like this sound?

I should add that there is no muffling, EQ or effects.

Answer: They are Clear Remo Pinstripes!
Also I added the same set with coated Emperors.

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Old 05-04-2009, 08:02 AM
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Clear G2s?.......................
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Old 05-04-2009, 10:53 AM
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I wanna say they're single ply? and with you having evans on the resos I'd presume you'd have them on the batter aswell. g1s? eq1s?

oh and it is a nice, natural drum sound btw :)
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Old 05-04-2009, 11:45 AM
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Is this supposed to be like the "pepsi cola" challenge then?

I'm gonna go with G1s. They don't sound as if they're coated or anything and they sound pretty open.
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:03 PM
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I guess Evans EC2. (20 characters)
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:08 PM
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i'll go with clear G-plus
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:16 PM
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No exact guesses yet.

The Mention of G1's for the reso heads was just to establish that the reso's are pretty standard and the only variable it the batter heads.

You shouldn't assume that they are Evans but I will grant that they are one of ( Evans, Remo, Aquarian)

Guessing brands is to difficult, can anyone tell if they are

One ply vs two ply
Coated vs clear
Regular vs dot vs control ring
exact model?
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:23 PM
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Remo CS batter, maybe....
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Old 05-04-2009, 08:52 PM
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Evans - Onyx

or

Remo - Blk Suade

I am pretty sure they are coated though. ????
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Old 05-04-2009, 09:09 PM
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Clear, two-ply, control-ring. That's my guess, although I really don't know for sure. You're snare sounds really tasty. Also, good idea for a challenge!
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EC1 ?

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Old 05-04-2009, 09:25 PM
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going with evans clear g2
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I'm gonna guess Evans clear g2 also.
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Old 05-05-2009, 02:59 AM
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One more clue,

You are hearing a mix of close mics with overheads. I'll post the overheads alone later.

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Old 05-05-2009, 03:11 AM
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This game is getting old....
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Old 05-05-2009, 03:43 AM
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EC1 ?

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Old 05-05-2009, 03:55 AM
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This game is getting old....
Sorry, I was going to wait 24 hours to give the answer and you have not gone on record yet with your guess.

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Old 05-05-2009, 04:16 AM
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Default The Answer: Clear Pinstripes

The Answer: The Tom batter heads are Clear Remo Pinstripes. The dreaded Pinstripe; I don't think that they are so bad, In fact I think they are just fine for recording this kind of sound.

BTW I realize that it is very difficult if not impossible to identify an exact head from a recording.

805Drummer and Bram both correctly identified the number of plies the lack of coating and the control ring.

I did this recording to try to prove a point about Pinstripes and further the discussion in the following threads:

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=49544
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=49529

I think that Pinstripes are getting a bad wrap and that they do serve a purpose. They are not right for every application and are best when miked, but I believe that they can sound good.

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Old 05-05-2009, 10:37 AM
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Pinstripes and EC2s are in fact the same, so you can never hear wether it is a Pinstripe or an EC2.
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:38 AM
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Pinstripes and EC2s are in fact the same, so you can never hear wether it is a Pinstripe or an EC2.
I tend to agree with this, I don't hear a significant difference between EC2's and pinstripes.
It always puzzles me when I see a thread claiming the pinstripes suck yet EC2's are great. I think that they are just about the same.

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Old 05-08-2009, 02:50 AM
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805Drummer and Bram both correctly identified the number of plies the lack of coating and the control ring.
I knew it!*

I, in fact, did not know it. The previous statement was made to serve as a literary exaggeration.
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Old 05-08-2009, 03:44 AM
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Well i guess i wont be getting pinstripes any time soon...didn't like the sound that much, not enough tone for my tastes. i had trouble distinguishing low/high toms...
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wow. i wish my set sounded like that.
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wow. i wish my set sounded like that.
Well, he did mic it, however I don't think there was any EQing or Compressing. I love this natural sound!
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:26 AM
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I thought it was an old 1966 Ludwig factory 12 tom head. Guess I was wrong.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:33 AM
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Well i guess i wont be getting pinstripes any time soon...didn't like the sound that much, not enough tone for my tastes. i had trouble distinguishing low/high toms...
Were you using computer speakers? If so I recommend that you try headphones.
I agree that pinstripes are not for everyone, I switch between pinstripes and coated ambassadors on this set depending on the sound I'm looking for.

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Well, he did mic it, however I don't think there was any EQing or Compressing. I love this natural sound!
Thanks for the comment.
No Compression effects or EQ, but I had to mic the drums in order for you to hear it. It sounds similar in person but there are more overtones in person.

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Old 05-08-2009, 06:12 AM
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maybe it's just my computer speakers (which are pretty good ones), but those drums sounded surprisingly bright for pinstripes ! dont get my wrong, i think they sound GREAT, but i'm used to a darker tone out of pinstripes. what kind of mics are you using ?

by the way........ that snare sounds absolutely DELICIOUS !!
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Old 05-08-2009, 07:23 AM
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I really enjoyed that little clip! Nice playing, and a great sound set of drums for sure.

I am curious what recording set up you were running...

Mic's and placement?
Mixer?
Software used?

You already said you didn't alter the sounds with the computer, so I will take that as a given.

Great job once again!
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:45 PM
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I am curious what recording set up you were running...

Mic's and placement?
Mixer?
Software used?

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Mic's were 1 pair of Oktava MK-012 in recorderman position for overheads
Each Tom was close mic'ed with a Sennheiser e604 about 4 inches away
Snare was mic'ed with a single SM57
Kick - Audix D6

Audio intereface was a presonus firepod.
Software doesn't matter as no effects were used but it was Cubase LE4

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Old 07-20-2009, 08:31 AM
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Here is the same set, Mics, room, tuning ext, with a different set of drumheads for comparison: Remo Coated Emperors. Which do you like better?

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Old 07-20-2009, 10:28 PM
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Ooh deffinately the coated emperors. Lots of tone and body.
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