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Old 03-27-2009, 08:15 PM
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Hi everyone, …well, ….I'm going to start this with the basics, and some BEFORE pictures to get you all going and whet the appetite :D

I now own the following:

-6.5x10 granitone concert tom (to be concerted to dh) must get parts

-9x13 granitone concert tom (to be converted to dh) I have all parts

-14x16 granitone concert tom (to be converted to dh) I have all parts

-14x16 clear 3ply double headed tom (no, not a floor tom, a double headed small classic lugged factory pointed b/o badged double headed tom!! ....with .....a CLIP MOUNT! :) )

-10x15 1969 clear 3ply 'Challenger' snare drum: All original, …for now!

WAITING ON:
14x24 clear 3 ply kick ...oh yeah....VIRGIN! I just have to hook up w/ the guy...we live about an hour apart so, it's been tough.

I will be recovering these (they are a mix of Silver Sparkle, Mahogany Cortex, and Black Cortex) in Red Sparkle (thin stuff found on eBay). Our fellow DW member Karl Crafton is doing a similar project w/ one of his own kits with this stuff, (he got Silver Sparkle) and he says it's pretty dang easy, and it looks great!

Now that you know what I'm planning ….here are a few before pictures. For now, these are just the shells, minus the big Challenger snare. I'll add those pics soon, but here are the shells!
Enjoy …the fun part will start soon!

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Old 03-27-2009, 08:33 PM
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If I have assumed correctly, the Granitone drums are made from.... granite??
I want to see that kit set up!!
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Old 03-27-2009, 08:36 PM
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If I have assumed correctly, the Granitone drums are made from.... granite??
I want to see that kit set up!!
LOL, nope, it's the internal speckled spray Ludwig used from (LVDC, help here if I botch this ... 1973-4-5 ??)
My bass will be clear 3 ply, and the snare is as well. And...obviously, the second 14x16 is as well!

You'll have to be patient,...it's going to take a while, but I'll keep updating this post as it happens! It should be sweet!
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:21 AM
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Looks like fun and will be real rewarding when you finish. a little blood, sweat and tears for your own project. and thanks for spelling WHET correctly.
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:21 PM
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Love it, be sure to get pics of all stages and share.

I can't wait to see more
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:33 PM
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Just wanted to share a quick shot of my 10x15 Challenger snare, 1969, keystone badge, clear 3 ply !! Ohhh soooo PPHHHHAT !!! :-)
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:11 PM
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Nice snare there. Bet that sounds phat.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:15 PM
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Nice snare there. Bet that sounds phat.
For sure, but oddly enough ....I can tighten both the batter and reso, ....and I can get a pretty mean crack out of it too!! It's WAY more versatile than I originally though it would be! :-)
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Old 05-15-2009, 01:49 PM
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The final piece of the puzzle!!! YES ....
Transition era (from 60's to 70's stuff) 1969 14x22 virgin kick! White interior, ... 60's spurs, but a pointed b/o badge! COOL!

I KNOW, I KNOW ...my original note said it was a 24, but ....I could never get with the guy, and then I realized ....if I get a 24, I'll have to adjust my toms (because I've never played a 24, always a 22), THEN I remembered, ...I'll have to get a new front bass drum head from Jim at DrumArt to the tune of $110, ....so...when this baby come up,...I snagged her! :-)

Covering is ordered and on the way ...now I can get down to business! :-)

Anyhow ...here's a few pics.....
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:46 PM
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Jeff - great project, man! I've thought about piecing together an older 3-ply Lud kit myself, I really miss that Ludwig tone.

So, a few questions:

- On the concert toms, how will you accurately re-create the classic, rounded Ludwig bearing edges on the reso side?

- Does granitone change the tone enough to make a difference when mixing them with toms that have a clear interior?

- Are you wearing proper protection (i.e. a 'cup') when playing that snare? That thing looks *dangerous*!
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Old 05-15-2009, 04:53 PM
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Jeff - great project, man! I've thought about piecing together an older 3-ply Lud kit myself, I really miss that Ludwig tone.
Gonna be fun for sure!!!

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So, a few questions:

- On the concert toms, how will you accurately re-create the classic, rounded Ludwig bearing edges on the reso side?
Ludwig toms /shells came w/ bearing edges on both sides....nothing needed to be done :)

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- Does granitone change the tone enough to make a difference when mixing them with toms that have a clear interior?
Negligable at best ...I've asked around .....

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- Are you wearing proper protection (i.e. a 'cup') when playing that snare? That thing looks *dangerous*!
Hell yes,...a TITANIUM CUP! :)
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Old 05-15-2009, 10:08 PM
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Sweet, can't wait to see the fin ished set. I'm starting work on a 28" Leedy kick tomorrow.
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Sweet, can't wait to see the fin ished set. I'm starting work on a 28" Leedy kick tomorrow.
are you refinishing it? I thought your wife didn't tell you so...
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Old 05-29-2009, 06:48 PM
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OK ....

Going to re-do the concet tom CLIP mounts to the new Classic Ludwig mounts (Ludwig script) http://i14.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/18/7b/265e_1.JPG


But ........maybe I should go with Gauger RIMS w/ this mount?? This way, no 'additional' holes!!

Thoughts ??
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Old 05-30-2009, 02:07 AM
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I would go with RIMS, it is clean and easy and it will allow that great vintage tom to sing.
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Old 05-30-2009, 03:25 AM
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rims for sure. they look cool too.
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Old 05-30-2009, 07:21 AM
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But ........maybe I should go with Gauger RIMS w/ this mount?? This way, no 'additional' holes!!

Thoughts ??
I like to start with the RIMS mounts and see if they work out to your liking. If you don't like it, then go ahead and mount directly to the shell. Once you drill you can never go back. Another thing I like about the RIMS mounts, is you can always move your tom so the badge faces out. Normally I run 3 up, but on this last gig, I ran 2 up,and was able to rotate the RIMS mounts. Here's a pic. It might even give you an idea of how much room you'll have on the lugs, with your shallower 10" tom. This tom is 8x10.
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Old 05-30-2009, 06:42 PM
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Thanks guys ....

WOW,....that's expensive for the RIMS!! Jeeeze!

I'm already looking at $140 for hardware alone for mounts on this kit, + another $140-ish!
I just didn't plan on that. Got to think it over.

Greg, love the look and yes, ....once you drill you're done, and ...you can rotate so the badge is facing out, that's good too.

I'll go w/ the half plate if anything ....this way you can see more of the drum....

Still kicking it around.
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Old 06-01-2009, 07:09 PM
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ANOTHER QUESTION ALL .....

Before I get too antsy......PLEASE HELP!! :)

What is the best way to ENSURE I do a good job at lining up the new holes I need to drill for my drums. Remember, this is a concert tom conversion ...so I need to drill bottom holes for 3 drums.

Now, ...please ...no one be mean and type a smart a$$ answer, please help me do this right so I don't "jump the gun" ...

THANKS!!!!!!!
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Old 06-02-2009, 06:18 AM
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Hey, it's me in new form. Having a name the same as my business was a bad idea, as google hits lead people to all my posts.

Yes to your question, the soap and water delays it, and it WILL stick after. In fact it will seal much better, and smoothly. ALSO, do it with someone else, or you'll regret it. Get one person to roll it (against a wall or something so it goes straight), and one to squeegee it on as it rolls.

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Old 06-02-2009, 01:26 PM
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I went over to Ghostnote and was told I should us a "square" ...which makes sense ....

Anyone else?
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There are templates made for that job. There are concentric circles on the template with lug patterns for 6, 8, 10 lugs etc for the different diameter drums.
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Old 06-02-2009, 01:57 PM
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There are templates made for that job. There are concentric circles on the template with lug patterns for 6, 8, 10 lugs etc for the different diameter drums.
I was told that those templates are for 'blank' drum shells....
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Old 06-02-2009, 04:08 PM
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I was told that those templates are for 'blank' drum shells....
Yes. Easiest would be to get one of those squares, you'd have it layed out and drilled in no time.
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Good news...final hardware is about to be ordered, and the covering should be here next week!!

sloooowly but surely,...coming together!! :)
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Old 06-11-2009, 09:08 PM
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Another piece of the puzzle comes in yesterday!!
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Old 06-12-2009, 05:24 AM
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yussss. how much did it cost to wrap the whole kit? and tell me how it goes lol, I hope my tips helped.
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Old 06-12-2009, 01:42 PM
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Cost was $130 shipped, I got 10 yards just in case, plus I got the discount that way :)

Anyow....finishing the drum prep and should be putting it on soon!

Thanks again!
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Ok, not sure if I've spoke about this yet, but ....as far as heads go:

I usually use Aquarian Super 2 coated on top, w/ Classic Clears underneath.

Does anyone have any experience w/ Super 2s on vintage Ludwig 3 plys? Thanks...

p.s. I'd like to stick w/ Aquarian
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Keep updated as much as possible! I'm looking into refinishing a ludwig from concert toms as well and i'd love to see as much as possible to know what needs to be done.
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Keep updated as much as possible! I'm looking into refinishing a ludwig from concert toms as well and i'd love to see as much as possible to know what needs to be done.

If you have specific questions regarding this process, please PM me, or email me at jmetz66@yahoo.com
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Well......it's been a long time coming..... but .......

SO FAR, .....so NICE!!! :-)

I only had one issue. I didn't realize this, but,....as I've mentioned I have 2 14x16 floor toms, well, ....the first one I did ( the black one in the pics above...the double headed one) had the bottom hoop area out of round, .....my new Aquarian Classic Clear reso didn't fit! I was sooo mad!! Thankfully, I kept the original Remo Clear Ambassador that came on the drum and it fit, ...AND worked !! Any hints on "correcting" this??

Ok, enough already, ...here's a couple shots from the 6.5x10 and the first 14x16 .....
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:05 PM
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You're kidding right?! Come on guys, ....NOTHING here ?!?! :(
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That looks great mate. The sun really sets off the sparkle!

what do you mean when you say 'out of round'? do you mean the shape of the tom has warped and isnt a perfect circle any more?
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That looks great mate. The sun really sets off the sparkle!

what do you mean when you say 'out of round'? do you mean the shape of the tom has warped and isnt a perfect circle any more?
Yes, just the bottom portion of the tom .....just by a touch ...but the head wouldnt' fit, ...might be the head though because the original head fit ....
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That looks great! Very nice job as well. The head very well could be the problem. I've experienced this with Aquarian heads on wrapped drums. The problem is due to the overlap in the wrap. I had this issue with two different Pearl floor toms that were wrapped drums, but other brands of heads fit just fine. The Aquarian hoop has somewhat of a flat spot where the hoop is joined together and this along with the wrap overlap is probably the culprit.
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Old 07-07-2009, 06:50 PM
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Looks very awesome!!
Those mounts look great too, the perfect size with the small classic lugs.

You guy's did a super job, have fun with the bass drum :-)

Makes me want to bring out my RS again---and I only played one gig with the SS's!!
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Looks very awesome!!
Those mounts look great too, the perfect size with the small classic lugs.

You guy's did a super job, have fun with the bass drum :-)

Makes me want to bring out my RS again---and I only played one gig with the SS's!!

Thanks Karl, special thanks to you on the tips!! Hey, ...we did the 13 and the bass drum last night, wrap only, ...heck ....after the first one, it's easy, ...we had the formula down ! :-)

Hoops getting painted this week, ...she'll be set up and ready soon!!!!!!!
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Old 07-17-2009, 01:26 PM
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OK .... I didn't take a picture of the 13" because , well, ....it turned out just like the 10" and the 16" .....so, I figured I'd show you a pic of the bass drum!! NOT BAD,....NOT BAD AT ALL!!

Thanks to Karl Crafton for all the tips, and, for the sweeeeeeeet Ludwig logo!! That, to me, is the icing on the cake!!!

ENJOY!
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Great drum, but what is up with the reso head?
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