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Old 03-16-2009, 06:37 AM
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First off I'm new to drummerworld so this is my first post/thread.

After looking through several other threads of other drummers monster/expensive/cool/excessive kits, I thought I'd do the opposite. This thread is to 'show off' your rubbish kits, your first kits, awful drums, no name cymbals, broken stuff etc. I'll go first..

It started of as a Premier Cabria Lite (I think) that came with the wrong size toms:
22" bass
10" hi-tom
13" hi-tom(?!?!)
14" low-tom
14" snare
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14" hats
18" crash/ride

After deciding to go for more of a rock sound/setup, I ditched the 10" tom and bought a no name (well actually Millennium, Thomann's own brand) 16" floor tom and a Manhattan(?!) 16" crash with a Pst3 20" ride. I also bought a second hand big dog double bass pedal and a set of evans g2's for the toms and an st for the snare with a metal eq pad for the bass. I also got those little eq things by evans for the toms. Pointless. They do bugger all.

The snare sounds horrible and rattles, my cymbals are awful with the crash/ride broken also, my hi hat stand gets in the way of my double bass pedal and I cant get my bass to sound right. the only good things are the toms dont sound too bad and I quite like my big dog pedal.

I desperately want to be in a band but this is what is holding me back, I'd be laughed off stage. When I bought most of this I just left school and had a rubbish part time job and was more interested on spending my money on alcohol. Then I joined uni and I'm constantly skint now. But it's not all bad though, I'm gonna start saving my money from my uni loans and my new job and buy decent cymbals (maybe aax's or alphas) and NOT go and buy the first b8 cymbal pack i find. Then in October I'm 21 so I'm gonna get a new kit as a big birthday present, probably the pdp 805. I think this will good as an intermediate rock kit.

I'd be interested to see how people reply to this and if people will share their kits. I did it out of sheer desperation. Also I'd like to hear your drum owning dreams for the future such as mine :)

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Old 03-16-2009, 06:59 AM
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Hm well what do you know i just got done uploading some photos of my embarassing kit and figured i'd post them up on my own thread in this forum then ironically came across this thread(no need to start my own now)...and it's a new thread to. must be a god send.

But here's my Tama Swingstar kit.
The ride and hats are the Tama branded cymbals that came with the set 5 years ago and the crash is a paiste pst5....so i'm not pushing grand grooves out of those bad boys lol.

Oh yea and my bearing edges on the bottom of both rack toms are completely ruined, my twin talked me into take the resos off when we first got it and i knew nothing about a drumset when i did it and just let them rest on the screws....i beat myself everyday for it now ha. This was/is my first set ever...the snare i have actually frankensteined and it sounds bearable now. i had to put a new throw off on it and switch the snare wire to a puresound 30 count or something i can't really remember and the evans genera dry helps drop out the over tones. but the rest....god forbid. i believe my heads plies are separating too cause i've had them for almost 3 years.

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22" x 18" Bass drum with a ported reso head i couldn't get a picture.(about the only good thing besides my snare and roto toms)
14" x 5.5" snare
12" x 10" Rack Tom
13" x 11"(i think) Rack Tom
16" x 14" Floor Tom
14" Hats
20" Ride
15" crash (if i remember correctly)
and 6", 8", 10" rotos.

I'm currently saving up for a custom stave 6 piece kit, (it's taking forever to say the least due to my senior year priorities) I hope to have it after i get all my money for graduating so i can have a nice kit when i head off to a music tech school then transfer to Georgia State Univ. to learn some music. I'm also saving up for an XS20 Cymbal Package or maybe just a simple Alpha set up just to get my feet off the ground until then though fellow drummers....wish me luck ha.

Here you go though after much talk:
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:16 AM
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Lol it's high mid and low for the toms.
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Old 03-16-2009, 07:21 AM
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I desperately want to be in a band but this is what is holding me back, I'd be laughed off stage.
That is a terrible attitude to have. You're NEVER going to be in a band with an attitude like that. The drummer from my first band plays a crappy cheap kit with toms that rest on the bass drum because the tom holders can't hold them up properley and he's had to tape the snare strainer onto the snare because it kept coming off, making the drum sound like lars ulrich's drum off st anger. No-one ever laughed at him on stage because he was such a good drummer and that's the important thing. These days he still has the kit but he's upgraded the heads and cymbals and it sounds great!

I really doubt that even a proper drummer would notice that was a cheap kit from more than 10ft away if you were on stage. What they WILL notice is your PLAYING. So please stop whining about your kit, go to all the music shops and your union and find out any bands who are looking for a drummer. If ONE of those bands says "sorry mate we don't want a drummer with a cheap kit" then i will personally come round to your house in manchester and give you all my drum stuff!

They won't want you in their band however if you're not good on the drums so get PRACTICING!
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...nspiring+story

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Oh and another thing, if you couldn't get decent heads to sound good then you're tuning them wrong. If you like rock then tune the toms and kick really low, just enough to straighten out the wrinkles on the head. Then tune the snare up really high.
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Maybe those roto toms could be at a little steeper angle.
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Drum kits are like old Motor Cycles and Farm Tractors. The best ones look the worst! There is nothing better to me than a well worn, battle scarred drum kit with innovative custom hardware, a mismatch of heads and cymbals. There should also be some Duck Tape somewhere on the kit. Some of the most fun that I have ever had, was behind a kit like this during my youth. When a young person with limited financial resources plays a kit like that, I feel that he learns more. He has to be creative to make it sound good. I think that a drummer who started out with a state of the art $6000 dollar kit would miss a great deal of the drumming experience. I often wish that I still had my first "Rat" kit.
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That is a terrible attitude to have. You're NEVER going to be in a band with an attitude like that. The drummer from my first band plays a crappy cheap kit with toms that rest on the bass drum because the tom holders can't hold them up properley and he's had to tape the snare strainer onto the snare because it kept coming off, making the drum sound like lars ulrich's drum off st anger. No-one ever laughed at him on stage because he was such a good drummer and that's the important thing. These days he still has the kit but he's upgraded the heads and cymbals and it sounds great!

I really doubt that even a proper drummer would notice that was a cheap kit from more than 10ft away if you were on stage. What they WILL notice is your PLAYING. So please stop whining about your kit, go to all the music shops and your union and find out any bands who are looking for a drummer. If ONE of those bands says "sorry mate we don't want a drummer with a cheap kit" then i will personally come round to your house in manchester and give you all my drum stuff!

They won't want you in their band however if you're not good on the drums so get PRACTICING!
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...nspiring+story

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Oh and another thing, if you couldn't get decent heads to sound good then you're tuning them wrong. If you like rock then tune the toms and kick really low, just enough to straighten out the wrinkles on the head. Then tune the snare up really high.
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Thanks for the, erm, constructive criticism. You're probably right, it is the wrong attitude to have and the link to that inspiring story proves it. But I think it's just how all these other threads that have amazing kits and the magazines full of advertisements for bigger better kits etc put it in your mind (especially to younger, newer drummers) that you need these things.

I will of course upgrade my kit but I can see how I shouldnt think of it as holding me back as it is now. I'm an ok drummer, not great, but ok so theres always room for improvement ;)

As for the tuning, my toms arent too bad, and the bass is average with stock heads and an eq pad, but my snare sound is horrible. I've tried tuning it as high as i can and different tensions on the reso and the wires but it still rattles a lot when i hit anything else (toms & bass). my temporary fix has been to rest a small sponge in the snare cradle so it just touches the wires. I can still get a crack when I hit it and there's no rattling but It is choking the snare sound somewhat.
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Thanks for the, erm, constructive criticism. You're probably right, it is the wrong attitude to have and the link to that inspiring story proves it. But I think it's just how all these other threads that have amazing kits and the magazines full of advertisements for bigger better kits etc put it in your mind (especially to younger, newer drummers) that you need these things.

I will of course upgrade my kit but I can see how I shouldnt think of it as holding me back as it is now. I'm an ok drummer, not great, but ok so theres always room for improvement ;)

As for the tuning, my toms arent too bad, and the bass is average with stock heads and an eq pad, but my snare sound is horrible. I've tried tuning it as high as i can and different tensions on the reso and the wires but it still rattles a lot when i hit anything else (toms & bass). my temporary fix has been to rest a small sponge in the snare cradle so it just touches the wires. I can still get a crack when I hit it and there's no rattling but It is choking the snare sound somewhat.
oh so that's what you're worried about with the snares. That's perfectly normal, most snare drums do that, including the really expensive kits you see in the catalogues! It's more prominent if you get into a band because the bass playing will cause the same problem. If you don't like it at all then you could reduce the sensitivity of the snare by loosening the strainer a bit.
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As for the tuning, my toms arent too bad, and the bass is average with stock heads and an eq pad, but my snare sound is horrible. I've tried tuning it as high as i can and different tensions on the reso and the wires but it still rattles a lot when i hit anything else (toms & bass). my temporary fix has been to rest a small sponge in the snare cradle so it just touches the wires. I can still get a crack when I hit it and there's no rattling but It is choking the snare sound somewhat.

That's sympathetic buzz. Your snare reso head is tuned close enough to the reso on your toms that they are vibrating on the same frequency. Like eddiehimself said, it's commonplace on all levels of equipment and usually difficult to hear in front of the kit. Tweak your tunings to reduce the sympathetic buzz. If you can't live with the changes is sound, you can also look at high quality snare wires like Puresound. Their construction methods lend them to be less succeptable to sympathetic buzz. Good luck and have fun.
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Maybe those roto toms could be at a little steeper angle.
I'm 6'3 that's about a perfect angle any steeper and my wrists hurt cause i have to turn them back to hit them for good projection
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I'm 6'3 that's about a perfect angle any steeper and my wrists hurt cause i have to turn them back to hit them for good projection
I think it might have been a sarcastic remark.
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I think it might have been a sarcastic remark.
oh i know, i wasn't taking offense i was just explaining in case anyone might've actually thought that.
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Crappy kits? Where to start, where to start...







Yet I managed to prevail through my gear-buying adventure, and eventually ended up where you will be if you buy the 805. I highly recommend it, it's a great intermediate kit! As long as you like the colors, you'll love it.



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Yet I managed to prevail through my gear-buying adventure, and eventually ended up where you will be if you buy the 805. I highly recommend it, it's a great intermediate kit! As long as you like the colors, you'll love it.]
what do you think of the 16 and 18" toms? im currently on 14" and 16" floor toms so i was worried the 18" would be too big.
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what do you think of the 16 and 18" toms? im currently on 14" and 16" floor toms so i was worried the 18" would be too big.
The 16" is perfect, but the 18" is freaking huge, I'm not gonna lie. Right now, I'm not using it because I like the 4 piece. But it's nice to have when your playing heavy metal or hard rock, especially for gigs (which I don't really do), for the visual effect.
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The 16" is perfect, but the 18" is freaking huge, I'm not gonna lie. Right now, I'm not using it because I like the 4 piece. But it's nice to have when your playing heavy metal or hard rock, especially for gigs (which I don't really do), for the visual effect.
I lost my interest in 18" floor toms. The deal is, it sounds only *slighty* deeper than a 16" FT. But it also loses punch and coherence. I have noticed from an audience perspective that a 16" sounds deeper because of the punch. And as to recording: a 16" records cleaner IMO.

I avoided having one in my kit for those reasons.
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I lost my interest in 18" floor toms. The deal is, it sounds only *slighty* deeper than a 16" FT. But it also loses punch and coherence. I have noticed from an audience perspective that a 16" sounds deeper because of the punch. And as to recording: a 16" records cleaner IMO.

I avoided having one in my kit for those reasons.
I think you're right. I haven't discovered my 18"'s true potential yet, because I still haven't gotten around to replacing the stock heads.
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I think you're right. I haven't discovered my 18"'s true potential yet, because I still haven't gotten around to replacing the stock heads.
I found the sad truth, that in order to get an 18" to work right, and play well with a 16" you have to tune both UP.

Bonham knew this, and his 16/18 were higher pitched than you might expect.

I saw his green sparkle maple kit had emperor coated on top, and ambassador coated on bottom.

After messing with plenty of 18" floor toms (multiple drumhead changes and so on) I can see why this is.) It's really easy to get an 18" sounded as high, or higher pitched than a 16". For me, it became the 'appendix" of my kit and I had it removed.

Note that Lars Ulrich no longer has an 18" floor tom, yet when he plays "enter sandman" it sounds just as deep as when he used one.
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I found the sad truth, that in order to get an 18" to work right, and play well with a 16" you have to tune both UP.

Bonham knew this, and his 16/18 were higher pitched than you might expect.
Does this not mean you're effectively tuning them up to sound like a 14" and a 16"?

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Note that Lars Ulrich no longer has an 18" floor tom, yet when he plays "enter sandman" it sounds just as deep as when he used one.
Yea I heard this in an interview. He said he can't ever remember using it and that him and his crew called it the coffee table.
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One of the crappest kits I ever owned, but know wonder, look whos it's made by.
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Embarrassing? Oh, I've got that covered. My CB700 kit and feathered hairdo, circa 1985.
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Does this not mean you're effectively tuning them up to sound like a 14" and a 16"?.
Not exactly. But the 18" had to be higher pitched than I liked it, and so did the 16", just so the 18" would not be a total mess. I also ended up using different heads on the 18" just to darken it down. I am kind of picky in that area. That's also why I don't use an 18" anymore, it's not worth it for me.
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One of the crappest kits I ever owned, but know wonder, look whos it's made by.
PDP is made my DW and DW is a pretty good.
But then again PDP is a side company that sells the drum for cheaper.
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I lost my interest in 18" floor toms. The deal is, it sounds only *slighty* deeper than a 16" FT. But it also loses punch and coherence. I have noticed from an audience perspective that a 16" sounds deeper because of the punch. And as to recording: a 16" records cleaner IMO.

I avoided having one in my kit for those reasons.
I think that an 18" floor tom makes the most sense when tuned high with a coated head.
If you are a low tuner then a 16" is plenty low already.

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edit: Just read the rest of you're posts and it sounds like we are on the same page.
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Embarrassing? Oh, I've got that covered. My CB700 kit and feathered hairdo, circa 1985.
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CB700 snares filled the music stores around my area in the mid 80s.

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Damn - wish i had some pics of my old stage percussion with no snare or cymbals.

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Yeah, that was a small fold-out poster that came with his book "Realistic Rock."

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I know the setup is ridiculous, but is it radical enough for the tom angles thread?
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I'm 6'3 that's about a perfect angle any steeper and my wrists hurt cause i have to turn them back to hit them for good projection
A little sarcasm there. I would suggest that since you are tall, that you move them closer, flatten them out, and maybe let them overlap the rack toms a bit so that you can play them.
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Crappy kits? Where to start, where to start...

I actually have to say I would kill to start out with a set like that
I actually really like the mis-match of that haha

I'll have to put something up of my little craps I played on haha
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This is my Westburry drum kit from my Garage Band days...

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Old 03-19-2009, 03:07 AM
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this is my THIRD set
of course it's been beaten and taken apart and I've lost parts to it and it's not fully set up
but right now I'm screwin around on it in my room
it is definitely not my main set!
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:37 PM
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this is my THIRD set
of course it's been beaten and taken apart and I've lost parts to it and it's not fully set up
but right now I'm screwin around on it in my room
it is definitely not my main set!
Is that 4 lugs on those toms? Ahh well the snare looks alright.
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Old 03-19-2009, 04:38 PM
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Is that 4 lugs on those toms? Ahh well the snare looks alright.
lol i hadn't noticed that
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Old 03-19-2009, 06:38 PM
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Is that 4 lugs on those toms? Ahh well the snare looks alright.
well the snare I got after I got the set and was a major upgrade
I still love that snare and use it with my new set
the four lugs on the tom made it [i]impossible[i] to tune!
I actually got the set for a steal though even for the quality
it came with all meinl cymbals (the crash and hats were brass) and a wonderful ride cymbal
for 120 bucks
I would post pictures but they're too big haha
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I WISH I had a picture of my first drumset!

Ludwig Paint Drizzel Bass, and two toms that belonged to someone else.
Circa 1960s style steel snare, no name, that you actually need a crescent wrench to tune.
Old Field Snare Drum, in green sparkle, bottom head taken off used as a floor tom.
Camber Crash and Hi Hats.

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