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Old 01-06-2013, 10:27 PM
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Has anyone played one of these new Ludwig Club Date kits? I'm thinking about getting this one, they have cherry/gumwood shells with rounded bearing edges.
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:31 PM
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:00 PM
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Lets not forget this thread.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:08 AM
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I want one but they are so expensive over here... one day maybe, second only to wanting a slingerland snare
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:12 AM
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Well, those threads don't tell me much, it sounds like Bermuda digs his, but he's the only one that's actually played them. I always thought the center lug design from the original club dates was a good idea, less hardware on the shell. I went back to the drum shop that was selling these and banged on them a bit, they sounded a lot like every vintage Ludwig kit I've owned, very warm and thuddy. I attribute that to the rounded bearing edges more than the shell.
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Old 01-07-2013, 12:51 AM
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Well, those threads don't tell me much, it sounds like Bermuda digs his, but he's the only one that's actually played them.
What am I, chopped liver? :)
I think that you should look at those threads again. there is a lot of info in them.
There are also many videos on YouTube that are helpful.
These are good quality drums that look and sound vintage.
If there were many unhappy people out there that bought these kits Im sure that there would be many more posts about them.
You sampled them so you know that they are typical vintage round edge sounding.
Both Bermuda and others stated that. They are what they are.
You didn't ask any specific questions about them either.
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Old 01-07-2013, 01:41 AM
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In the words of Steve Martin, "Well excuse me", I didn't read every post on those threads, (too many for my old eyes), but, I saw some negative comments about the cherry/gumwood shells and the center lugs. Bermuda was the only one I saw that played a kit and liked the sound, if I missed your review, I apologize.
After banging on them a bit, I kinda dig them, it looks like I'll be headed to the drum shop tomorrow.

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Old 01-07-2013, 02:01 AM
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Yes there were comments that the center lugs are detrimental to the shell resonance because the theory is that that is the most resonant part of a drum shell.
Some folks are afraid of the long tension rods. I call it, "Longrodafobia" :)
Anyhow those of us who play them seem to understand them.
You sound like you know what you are getting yourself into.
I play mine everyday as well as gig with it and I like it.
Mine is almost a year old and it is still flawless.
Not one issue.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:11 PM
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Another thing i noticed on these kits is the long tension rods get in the way of the rail mount forcing it to be mounted in the center of the bass drum instead of off to the side in a classic style. It looks silly on top. like some kind of handle to carry the bass drum with.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:15 PM
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I noticed that bass drum rails began to be mounted on top center during the late sixties because two toms were often mounted on them.
They work well mounted on top center with one tom because the kit can be set up for right or left handed drummers.
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:42 PM
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Fact is, the rail is mounted on top because that's how the original Club Date kit bass drums were configured. It's just a nod to the namesake outfit, which was actually 20/12/14 (with a snare and hardware of course.)

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Old 01-07-2013, 02:50 PM
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Fact is, the rail is mounted on top because that's how the original Club Date kit bass drums were configured. It's just a nod to the namesake outfit, which was actually 20/12/14 (with a snare and hardware of course.)

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With those lugs, arent they kind of forced to mount it on top?
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Old 01-07-2013, 02:56 PM
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With those lugs, arent they kind of forced to mount it on top?
Yes, in the case of the CD kit the lugs dictate that the rail be top center.

I believe that Rogers used to place the rail top center on some of their kits that didn't have center lugs.
Rogers also made center lug kits like the CD.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:26 PM
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i've never seen pics of a top center rail. I must not have seen pics of anyone playing the original club date kits. im sure they exsist, im just sheltered. As far as rogers, I thought the swiv o matic was a stem mount from a single hole. if they had a rail mount, i just dont know about it. for me it comes down to the long lugs, i cant get past them i guess and Im a ludwig endorser!!! They dont know I endorse them, but i play their kits!
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:35 PM
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The top mounted rails that I saw back when may have been custom.
I never really gave them much thought.
I had a slingerland kit with a side rail and I always wished that it was top mounted.
I get a better tom position with the rail on top.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:38 PM
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also like you said it makes it a right or left handed kit.
On a side note i stole your idea and bought a cymbal arm for my bass drum. Awesome!!
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:42 PM
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Yes I've played the new Clubs. Excellent, warm and tight sound. I prefer the rail mount. It's been around for over half a century. Wish these were about $100 or so less in price, but yes I'd buy these in a heartbeart if I could afford too.

I prefer Bob's wrap of choice, white marine pearl. Not sure Bob if you've received your matching snare yet. If so just wondering how you like it, etc.
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Old 01-07-2013, 03:54 PM
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With those lugs, arent they kind of forced to mount it on top?
No, they could easily move the rail to the space between the adjacent lugs/rods, although that's a little lower than the norm. I had a kit with a 14x22" kick with center lugs, and the rail was moved down.

Ludwig also had an outift with Classic lugs, and the rail was also mounted on top. I guess just a personal preference, they wanted to make sure every base was covered as to what a drummer might want. Ludwig had so many kits that were slightly different from each other, it was actually a bit confusing. Some of the differences were pretty subtle at the time, though they would be immediately noticed - and probably criticized - by today's drum-savvy consumers.

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Old 01-07-2013, 04:02 PM
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though they would be immediately noticed - and probably criticized - by today's drum-savvy consumers.

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Ouch, Im not really in the market for another kit so ill bow out of this.
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Old 01-07-2013, 05:39 PM
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I've decided that I really want one of these kits. I haven't played one, but I will try soon. Based on the reviews here and the videos I seen, these kits are fantastic and will fit in my arsenal very well.
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Old 01-07-2013, 07:28 PM
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Thanks Jon, I could have sworn that I have seen a few conventional lug Ludwig kits with a top center mounted rail.

To The Old Hyde, Im glad that you like your bass mounted cymbal.

To larryz, I still haven't received the CD snare. Portland Percussion has been on it with Ludwig and they say that it will be in soon. End of January. I am not holding my breath :)
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Here's a Ludwig Catalog page with a Club Date, in the 22, 13, 15 configuration. Note the rail positioned on the left side panel and the cymbal mount positioned on the top panel.
Standard sizes, with center lugs, were 12x2 and 13x9 inch rack toms, 20x14 and 22x14 bass drums, and 14x14 and 15x12 floor toms. If someone wanted a 16x16, Ludwig gave 'em a floor tom with split lugs. The tension rods for the center lug design weren't long enough to accommodate the 16" depth. Seems like the most common sizes, to survive, at least, are the 20, 12, 14 kits. Also, check here http://www.vintageludwigdrums.com/60sclubdate.html
As far as a "review" of the new drums, they sound great. The cherry/gum combo makes them very warm sounding. As far as the split lug/center lug thang .... I think you'd really have to have a great set of ears to tell one bass drum, from the other .... if you put both types side by side, and did a shoot out. Kinda the same thing with the 8 lugger/10 lugger bass drum debate. However, if you prefer one over the other, well, that's fine. Your choice.
As far as where my money went, I bought vintage. Personally, the 3 ply Ludwig shell is what makes me happy.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:20 PM
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That kit in 1965, using todays money would be 2300.00
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:37 PM
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That kit in 1965, using todays money would be 2300.00
Indeed, drums weren't cheap. Still aren't. The average car cost of a car, in 1965, was $2,650.00. Today, $2,650.00 will buy you a nice set of drums, or a real crappy car.
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Here's a Ludwig Catalog page with a Club Date, in the 22, 13, 15 configuration. Note the rail positioned on the left side panel and the cymbal mount positioned on the top panel.
That's not a rail, it's a hoop mount. :) And that's also probably the first incarnation of the Club Date, but it soon settled into the classic 20/12/14 configuration.

Ludwig had a bad habit of changing specs on an outfit, or changing the outfit's name, for no apparent reason. It's been much more consistent over the last 4 decades or so, but custom ordering of badges, spurs and mounts still makes initial identification of newer drums difficult.

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Old 01-07-2013, 09:25 PM
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That's not a rail, it's a hoop mount. :)
Indeed. I learn something every day. Thanx.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:46 PM
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Ludwig was like most drum companies back then. They were struggling to meet the expanding market and they made many different configurations based on what they felt would sell and what parts were available in inventory.
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Anyway, The Club Date kits are the, "Red Rider bb gun" of the drum world. :)

Oh, and Grunt, Ludwig kits were always expensive. Even their cheap ones :)
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:35 AM
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Well, I got them, I hope when I play them live I don't regret it, I never really know how good a kit is until I play them at a gig.
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Hey Beave, Those look great! Enjoy.
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Hey Beave, Those look great! Enjoy.
Heh Bob, do you have any videos playing your kit?
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Old 01-08-2013, 06:39 PM
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That must have taken you forever to download:) You're a crazy swinging cat Bob, I really dug the band, the kit sounded great and looked cool on stage.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:23 AM
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Thanks, The local cable company recorded and put that vid up.
That was recorded last September at the Arts Festival in the now well known town of Newtown Ct.
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Here's mine, Blue Oyster Pearl. I love them. Nice 60s sound. Gigged with them once already, it was a good night.
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Caleb,nice pic of your drums! Here's mine:
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:43 PM
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Well, I played the kit and it was ok, that's not good enough for me, so I took it to Rockin Robin in Houston and traded it for a vintage WFL kit in a black diamond pearl finish. I also had to throw in a couple Paiste Twenty series cymbals, but this kit has a matching Super Classic snare, so it was worth it. I'll have pics up soon when I return home.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:30 AM
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OK, You bought the Club Date kit, played it at a gig once, then you traded the Club Date along with some Paiste cymbals for a vintage kit.
That's crazy!
Im sorry but I am having a hard time grasping this.
Why didn't you just buy a vintage kit in the first place?

Well at least you should put up the pics of the WFL kit that you bought.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:24 PM
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Well Bob, I didn't buy the Club Date, I traded another kit for it, I love vintage drums and was hoping the new Club Date would give me that sound without having to pay big bucks for a nice vintage kit. I couldn't get the sound I was looking for, so I took it to Rockin Robin and they made me a good deal on this WFL kit. They are from the 50's and have 3ply mahogany shells with maple reinforcement hoops.
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