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Old 01-07-2009, 03:48 AM
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Alright, so I just kind of had an epiphany.

You know how Zildjian has those Anti-Vibe sticks?

Well, I had heard good things about them, and I started using them last month. Great, right?

Wrong.

Turns out, they work too well. Whenever I pick up normal sticks, they feel two solid, and very bouncy and rigid. It also causes my hands to feel all of the drum's vibrations, which are very uncomfortable.

Is this just a very clever marketing ploy? Because of this switch to the Anti-Vibe drumsticks, unless I somehow adjust myself back to normal sticks, I will have to buy these for the rest of my life.

Any thoughts on this? Is this something Zildjian's marketing department brewed up to get guaranteed permanent customers? Or is it all in my head?
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:52 AM
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:54 AM
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All in your very odd head. So your conclusion is they arn't very good because they do their job; reduce viabrations....?
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:56 AM
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All in your very odd head. So your conclusion is they arn't very good because they do their job; reduce viabrations....?
Of course they do their job, but maybe there's some hidden reasonings for them selling those sticks? Intentional or unintentional, but it's still kind of suspicious.

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!!!

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Old 01-07-2009, 03:57 AM
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Of course they do their job, but maybe there's some hidden reasonings for them selling those sticks? Intentional or unintentional, but it's still kind of suspicious.

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!!!

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Nowadays, I'm sure you'd have a case.
Heard of people filing class action lawsuits for things odder than that.
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Old 01-07-2009, 03:59 AM
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And the real question: Why don't other stick companies try and make sticks like these?

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Old 01-07-2009, 04:01 AM
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You got use the 1 thing then went back to another.. It's natrual for that to happen. I played for wood forever. I tried Aheads and hated them but at $30 a pair, I played with them on and off and the next thing I knew I was using them all of the time and never went back to wood. Now if I try wood sticks, I don't like how they feel and I don't bother with them BUT if I played enough with them, it will once again feel normal.
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:02 AM
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Maybe you got a legit question there, haha.
I wouldn't pursue it though, unless you really have nothing else to do.
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Old 01-07-2009, 04:02 AM
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maybe its a copyrighted thing
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Old 01-07-2009, 08:15 AM
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People also get used to 5B sticks and find it hard to pick up and play 7As instead.

Do you think I have a lawsuit on my hands because I'd rather play with brushes than sticks?

PS. Pretty sure it's all in your head.
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hmmm...Stewart may have a point at 00:42

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You're a victim! ;-)
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Or I could just click on the ads a couple thousand times.
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Maybe it's not all in your head, but you may be a little overly-paranoid.
In this day and age, perhaps no one can be overly-paranoid.
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I don't think a 400 year old company making wooden sticks are on the top of the "watch out for" list.

The same thing goes on with electronic kits, oh crap I just thought of something. Roland, Yamaha, Alesis, Pintech, Simmons, Hart Dynamics and Ddrum are all out to get us!

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I don't think a 400 year old company making wooden sticks are on the top of the "watch out for" list.
It's kind of like the cleaning ladies; the best ones seem to be the least likely to steal.

I SWEAR TO GOD, the cleaning ladies stole my Pearl Export's ISS tom mount. My friend down the street has the same cleaning ladies as me, and he got his mount taken too. Of course, our parents don't believe us.
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:17 AM
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Whatever happened to taking care of your own house?
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:24 AM
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Old 01-08-2009, 04:39 AM
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It's kind of like the cleaning ladies; the best ones seem to be the least likely to steal.

I SWEAR TO GOD, the cleaning ladies stole my Pearl Export's ISS tom mount. My friend down the street has the same cleaning ladies as me, and he got his mount taken too. Of course, our parents don't believe us.
Hey 805, It's not the drum companies that are out to get you, it's ' THE CLEANING LADIES '. Apparently they are stealing musical instruments where ever they clean. With the grand plan of forming a band and taking over the world. I can't wait to see them when they are on tour.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:38 AM
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It's kind of like the cleaning ladies; the best ones seem to be the least likely to steal.

I SWEAR TO GOD, the cleaning ladies stole my Pearl Export's ISS tom mount. My friend down the street has the same cleaning ladies as me, and he got his mount taken too. Of course, our parents don't believe us.
Our cleaning lady is great. She even dusts off my drums, and picks up sticks from the floor and places them on my low tom. She dusts off the piano and leaves all my sheet music alone. She wouldn't dare touch anything on my desk.
She even cleans out the refrigerator. She can't speak a word of English, at least she doesn't with me, but she's a member of the family.
She calls my wife by her first name, but insists on calling me "Senior." Drives me crazy when she does that.
There's always a little money laying around, bills of different denominations, and she folds them together and places them next to the telephone. Her name is Alma.
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Senior or Senor?? ..................
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I used these sticks for a while, they felt alright but then I noticed I could hear secret frequencies through them and it turns out it was the CIA listening in on my thoughts. I told the feds but they sent me to Guantanamo in a black helicopter.

I'd recommend avoiding them at all costs.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:34 AM
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With these sticks can you summon the devil with a reverse paradiddle?
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:51 AM
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With these sticks can you summon the devil with a reverse paradiddle?
The 'I' in 'Vibe' stands for 'Instant Faustus'.
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:24 AM
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As a side note, I'd imagine that the Anti-vibe would make ride cymbals sound fairly lifeless. The stick's material, shape and its vibrations play a huge role in the tone of a ride cymbal's attack.
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Our cleaning lady is great. She even dusts off my drums, and picks up sticks from the floor and places them on my low tom. She dusts off the piano and leaves all my sheet music alone. She wouldn't dare touch anything on my desk.
She even cleans out the refrigerator. She can't speak a word of English, at least she doesn't with me, but she's a member of the family.
She calls my wife by her first name, but insists on calling me "Senior." Drives me crazy when she does that.
There's always a little money laying around, bills of different denominations, and she folds them together and places them next to the telephone. Her name is Alma.
Okay, you're cleaning lady sounds awesome. And it's totally funny how she calls you Senor.
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The stick's material, shape and its vibrations play a huge role in the tone of a ride cymbal's attack.
I just misread that and got a picture in my head of a stick playing a huge hole in the ride cymbal.
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Alright, so I just kind of had an epiphany.

You know how Zildjian has those Anti-Vibe sticks?

Well, I had heard good things about them, and I started using them last month. Great, right?

Wrong.

Turns out, they work too well. Whenever I pick up normal sticks, they feel two solid, and very bouncy and rigid. It also causes my hands to feel all of the drum's vibrations, which are very uncomfortable.

Is this just a very clever marketing ploy? Because of this switch to the Anti-Vibe drumsticks, unless I somehow adjust myself back to normal sticks, I will have to buy these for the rest of my life.

Any thoughts on this? Is this something Zildjian's marketing department brewed up to get guaranteed permanent customers? Or is it all in my head?
There is only one proper answer to stick vibration problems - looser grip. The stick should vibrate freely in your hand. If you don't choke it, it won't bother you.

I'd say those anti-vibe sticks are very bad for technique.
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As a side note, I'd imagine that the Anti-vibe would make ride cymbals sound fairly lifeless. The stick's material, shape and its vibrations play a huge role in the tone of a ride cymbal's attack.
All kidding aside, I did use them when I first started playing a couple years ago and I noticed the same thing. I also didn't like the "disconnected" feeling you get while playing with them...some vibration is a good thing.

I also hated that the little rubber butt gets caught on clothes and other things...and almost always falls out of the stick after a while.

Zildjian sticks are generally pretty crappy, IMO.
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Old 01-08-2009, 06:41 PM
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All kidding aside, I did use them when I first started playing a couple years ago and I noticed the same thing. I also didn't like the "disconnected" feeling you get while playing with them...some vibration is a good thing.

I also hated that the little rubber butt gets caught on clothes and other things...and almost always falls out of the stick after a while.

Zildjian sticks are generally pretty crappy, IMO.

They remind me of Ahead sticks for some reason.
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There is only one proper answer to stick vibration problems - looser grip. The stick should vibrate freely in your hand. If you don't choke it, it won't bother you.

I'd say those anti-vibe sticks are very bad for technique.
I'd say their bad technique for full-shock "normal" sticks. Given the incredible variations in biomechanics, I'd say the only bad technique is the one that injures you.

I play Aheads and I love them because they reduce shock greatly. I'd compare them to earphones for the hands, protecting you from some of the harsher aspects of playing drums. I've played the Zildjian sticks before and I credit the anti-shock feature with saving me from possible injury. The anti-shock sticks take some getting used to but now if I play full-shock sticks the vibration feels insane.

Am I unusually sensitive now, or just able to appreciate the abuse I was really putting my hands through?
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Am I unusually sensitive now, or just able to appreciate the abuse I was really putting my hands through?
You could also argue that vibration makes you more sensitive to your grip and technique. I tend to use sticks that feel more dense and vibrate minimally - like the Akira Jimbos you played over at my place.

When I'm playing a ride pattern, for example - I'm more sensitive to how I'm holding the stick and how loose I am if I can feel the cymbals "through" the stick. The anti-vibes sort of "disconnect" you from that sensitivity.
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You get used to conditions you put your body through over time. For example. If I put my ride somewhere else for 5 months and played like that everyday, eventually it would just be normal. I highly doubt Zildjian is trying to scam you, though they scam kids everyday with those black things.
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You could also argue that vibration makes you more sensitive to your grip and technique. I tend to use sticks that feel more dense and vibrate minimally - like the Akira Jimbos you played over at my place.

When I'm playing a ride pattern, for example - I'm more sensitive to how I'm holding the stick and how loose I am if I can feel the cymbals "through" the stick. The anti-vibes sort of "disconnect" you from that sensitivity.
I felt that way at first, like the vibration was dampened. But then I started paying more attention to what I was feeling, even if it was less; we are capable of feeling and interpreting very small vibrations, much less than what you get on a drum set, and we get used to whatever we happen to be playing with.

Lower-vibration sticks took a bit of adjustment but the real payoff is less vibration being transmitted into my hands.
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I have those sticks. Don't find transition between those and regular ones hard. I actually just played with two styles, I only noticed a major difference when I griped tightly.

Maybe I have magic hands, or maybe I've been brainwashed.
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