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Old 12-20-2008, 05:42 PM
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I have been looking at drumming for a while now and am looking at upgrading my cymbals, I have been playing Zildjian Planet Z's and Sabian Solar, and to be honest they sound awful. I am looking at buying a set of crash, ride and hats around the £150 mark. I have been looking at Meinl MCS, Sabian B8 adn Paiste PST5's. Which are best for rock, metal drumming sound and value and durability etc. As you have noticed, other reviews etc. have led me to discount any mid range / entry Zildjians. WHICH ARE THE BEST BUY!!??!?!
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:48 PM
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ZHT hi-hats are amazing. That is what I have, and they are not that expensive. The ZHT crash doesn't sound bad either. Planet Z sucks lol. I have the ZBT ride too, it's ok, but it was cheap and at the time, decent sounding. I don't know about any other rides crashes etc. Hope this helps though.
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:53 PM
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Stagg cymbals are really good value, but Paiste PST3s and PST5s are also really good. Hope that helped! :)
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Old 12-20-2008, 05:56 PM
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Thanks, if anyone could try and descibe sound that would be great, everyone hates the Zildjian Planet Z's but i have to say i have the 18" crash ride and i love the crash sound, amybe its because its heavier or something, maybe because its about 10years old and lost its new-ness and shiny-ness, but i like that sound....
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:03 PM
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There is no such thing, imo. There is only used premium cymbals.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:19 PM
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the best is defenatly the ZHT range they are brill for the price and there are loads of cymbals in the range
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:23 PM
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Bright sounding cymbals, idealy to cut throught the rest of the noise of the band - any ideas to that sort of sound???
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:33 PM
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Paistes are bright, and so are you if you buy Paiste :P
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I dont know about best buy, but the PST5 16" light crash is really nice.
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I'd go with Sabian B8 or B8 Pro's, or if you have the cash, Sabian Xs20's.

or, of course, buy used if possible.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:47 PM
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Buying used is wise, but if that's not an option, B8Pros are pretty bright and cutting. Saluda is a great option, as well, although shipping might kill you. ZXT cymbals are good, and the PST5s have generally good reviews. Stay away from B8s and ZBTs, especially on hats and ride. Crashes generally are a little more flexible and less important.
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Old 12-20-2008, 06:52 PM
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considered Dream cymbals? i recently got a 20" crash from their Bliss range and its impressed me considerably.i dont think you would be paying a huge amount more for a more distinctive selection of Dreams as an alternative to the entry level ranges from the big names.
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Old 12-20-2008, 08:02 PM
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I have listened to the Dream cymbal clips on thier website and like them, struggling to find a place that sell them in the UK - i will end up going for sabian b8 or meinl mcs, unless anyone has any other suggestions, also any cheap websites that would deliver to the UK without stupidly overpriced p&p would be great!
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I'd go with Sabian B8 or B8 Pro's, or if you have the cash, Sabian Xs20's.

or, of course, buy used if possible.
Yes, I like the Sabian XS20's for hi-hats and crash cymbal - they sound great for the price. I would go for the B8 Pro ride cymbal.

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Old 12-20-2008, 09:32 PM
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I have listened to the Dream cymbal clips on thier website and like them, struggling to find a place that sell them in the UK - i will end up going for sabian b8 or meinl mcs, unless anyone has any other suggestions, also any cheap websites that would deliver to the UK without stupidly overpriced p&p would be great!


Go to the Zildjian site, they have samples of the sound of the cymbal too, I'm pretty sure.

I was goin to mention the B8 too, but I wasn't sure about the price. But I have the B8 thin crash, and I like it. I don't remember what the price was though.
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Old 12-20-2008, 11:09 PM
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I have listened to the Dream cymbal clips on thier website and like them, struggling to find a place that sell them in the UK - i will end up going for sabian b8 or meinl mcs, unless anyone has any other suggestions, also any cheap websites that would deliver to the UK without stupidly overpriced p&p would be great!

took me about 2 seconds to find this!

http://www.dmdrums.co.uk/Dream.htm

also.. "All Dream cymbal prices are INCLUSIVE OF UK Mainland Shipping !"

and there are good soundclips on each cymbal in store.
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:06 AM
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You could also look for a professional pair of used hats and crashable ride/ rideable crash/ crash-ride.
Two cymbals [or three, for all those annoyances that find that hats MUST be considered two individual cymbals at all times...] is pretty sparce, but it could tide you off till you get a legit crash.

There are plenty of drummers that are great with only two [or three...] cymbals, check out Darren King of MuteMath.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:51 AM
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Thanks for the advice, i am looking at the dream cymbals, can anyone recommend which ones, the sound clips arent great, they give an idea but for a heavy hitter, they do no justice, i like the price tag on them but i have read to be cautious with hand hammered, what is the risk compared to a machine hammered cymbal???

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Old 12-21-2008, 01:58 PM
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Say i am looking for a set of hats, a ride and a crash, they need to be bright and cutting in sound and fairly cheap - what do you reccomend?
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Old 12-21-2008, 04:51 PM
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the PST 5's really dont sound that bad . i have a 18" thin and a 10" splash and if you didn't see the logo you could swear it was a higher end cymbal. fyi i use them in rock type situations.
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i'd recommend Staggs for a really tight budget.. they sound decent enough to not make your ears bleed for a very cheap price.
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:48 PM
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Two cymbals [or three, for all those annoyances that find that hats MUST be considered two individual cymbals at all times...]
haha I find that annoying too.

I consider the hi-hats one cymbal because you don't really hit the bottom cymbal often, and they wouldn't sound the way they do if they weren't a pair, so they basically function as one cymbal.

think of them as the conjoined twins of the drumset.
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Old 12-21-2008, 05:59 PM
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Old 12-21-2008, 06:21 PM
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Thanks for the advice, i am looking at the dream cymbals, can anyone recommend which ones, the sound clips arent great, they give an idea but for a heavy hitter, they do no justice, i like the price tag on them but i have read to be cautious with hand hammered, what is the risk compared to a machine hammered cymbal???
Only thing to be aware of with hand shaped and hammered cymbals is that they each have their own unique personality and character with no 2 even of the same size and series sounding identical to each other so it's best to select them in person to get the ones that speak to you for the music you play is my advice.

The Dreams i've played and heard played locally by others are indeed truly an amazing bang for the buck choice in cymbals based on the quality of how these B20 bronze cymbals are handmade and the quality of sound they deliver IMO.
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Old 12-21-2008, 06:24 PM
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thanks, would you have any idea where i can find these in the UK, google searches arent going too well
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Old 12-21-2008, 06:32 PM
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thanks, would you have any idea where i can find these in the UK, google searches arent going too well
Can't help you with that. Check with the the big UK distributor BR Distribution who handles Istanbul Agop. They may distribute Dream to UK retail outlets too {?}. Worth a shot. Good luck!
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I would recommend the Dream cymbals also. They're basically priced like the budget cymbals of the big three, but they can be used professionally, especially if you're into jazz. Before that, though, I would recommend buying used. You can often find a set of used pro-level cymbals for the price of a new pack of budget cymbals.

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sabian pro sonix are quite good,they are tough,bright and designed to cut through music. you can only buy them second hand though,but look on ebay there are some cheap ones there.
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I have been looking at drumming for a while now and am looking at upgrading my cymbals, I have been playing Zildjian Planet Z's and Sabian Solar, and to be honest they sound awful. I am looking at buying a set of crash, ride and hats around the £150 mark. I have been looking at Meinl MCS, Sabian B8 adn Paiste PST5's. Which are best for rock, metal drumming sound and value and durability etc. As you have noticed, other reviews etc. have led me to discount any mid range / entry Zildjians. WHICH ARE THE BEST BUY!!??!?!
Hi Matt, I'm just down the road from you (almost) in Herefordshire. If you want to get all three for £150 then you have no choice but to go for used IMO. Anything new for that money will disappoint as you progress. Spend a little more however, and I'd really encourage you to look at the Renaissance brillient range from Murat Diril. You can check them out on their website (the sound clips are really accurate) and check them out for real at ADC drums in Liverpool (not a huge drive from you). Murat Diril represent the very best value for performance cymbals IMO. Easily as good as anything top end from the big 3 but less than half the price. My Murat Diril cymbals sit happily along side my Sabian HHX, Paragon & HH cymbals.
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In terms of playing metal/rock, the PST3 hats and crashes are horrible. COMPLETELY avoid them. They just don't have the cut, brightness and volume in that sort of siuation. The ride is fine especially when crashed on but otherwise they are generally bad.

Although they sound bad on their own, ZXT's and ZBT's do actually sound good in the mix which most people don't ever realize.

I've seen other people make bad reviews of them, which isn't completely unjust, but most of those people haven't heard them in a live situation. I supported a rock band a while ago whose drummer had a full set of ZXT Titanium's (now discontinued btw) and they sounded great onstage and also in the songs that he used them to record with. Don't knock cheap Zildjians based on what people say about them individually. Consider the music, consider the band and consider what you like as well.

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Stagg. Today I played my Stagg Furia and SH 17" and 16" crashes next to Zukldjian K and A Customs, and I like mine better, the Zildjians are great, but I'd still pick mine, a more unique sound, and way cheaper. Also, remember EVERY cymbal in Stagg is unique, so you have to test at least 4 cymbals of the same model and size before buying, they will all sound nothing alike. For those styles, I'd recommend the Myra, Furia and DH (Maybe SH, too) series. Seriously, try them at a store, they are great. Whoever says they are not on par with the higher level cymbals of the bigger brands hasn't listened to good examples from Stagg.


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if you live in europe buying bosphorus :)......or istanbul agop cymbals is cheap, if you buy from america
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Hi,

The Solar and Planet are like any other entry level cymbals.

If you are looking to upgrade and want to spend £150, I would do one of two things.

First, you could forget buying a ride for the moment as we could all get by with an inferior ride if we had to and look getting a set of hats and crash separately OR
wait and save for a more expensive set that you will be happy with.

Good Cymbals are expensive and you will be surprised how many times you will want to upgrade.

The cymbals i would recommend as others have too, are the Sabian XS20's. They are excellent value and are equally good gigging as recording.
They are a nice bright sound and very responsive, ideal for most styles.

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Drumshop.co.uk has Istanbul Xist-cymbals going for dirt cheap.
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If you want to upgrade, get real b20 cymbals. In most cases, their sound is more complex than b8's. The b8 cymbal's I would consider seriously begin with the Paiste 2002. But those are way beyond your budget. So back to b20's .......

1) The cheapest ones are Chinese made. This means Wuhan and Stagg. For Turkish-style cymbals, Wuhan S series and Stagg SH and DH are the cheapest. Some complain they are "gongy", but there are some gems to be had if you are patient. For China-type cymbals, Wuhan "Lions" and Stagg "Traditionals" actually come out of the same factories. They are VERY cheap, and revered by many. Chinese-made cymbals are very, very inconsistent though, so try before buying. All these are about half the price of the following ......

2) The next step up would be Stagg Furias and Myras, Sabian XS20 series, and maybe Dreams and Saludas. The workmanship is better, slightly more consistent, and the sound is more complex. Also in this price range would be used cymbals from Zildjian and Sabian. Most people here would advise you to explore this option. AFAIK, the Turkish imports Istanbul Agop and Mehmet have lines in this price range too.

3) The next step may be out of your budget. But if you can save up for them, you really should consider brand-new North American A. Zildjians, and AA Sabians. Until the mid-80's, all American-made Zildjians were A's. When Sabian broke away from Zildjian, the AA's were A.ZIldjian's reincarnated. These are the bright-sounding cymbals that propelled American and British rock and roll, rock, and pop musics until the 80's. So its hard to go wrong with these.

Anything over this will probably out of your budget. But don't forget, do not buy sets. They are at best a compromise. Get your cymbals one by one so that you get exactly the sound you want. Unless you are an endorser, it even doesn't matter if you get different brands. What matters is that each cymbals has the sound you wanted.
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Might want to look at Paiste Alpha's too if your set on buying new.
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Is it worth to buy a set of cymbals (hi-hat, crash, ride + 1 free crash cymbal) ???

it costs 300$

but is it worth to buy...?

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Is it worth to buy a set of cymbals (hi-hat, crash, ride + 1 free crash cymbal) ???

it costs 300$

but is it worth to buy...?

pleeeaaaaseeee heeeelp!!!

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Could be a dream come true.........could be that someone's offering to throw in a bridge too. Obviously it depends on what they are. Come on man, way more info. needed.

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Is it worth to buy a set of cymbals (hi-hat, crash, ride + 1 free crash cymbal) ???

it costs 300$

but is it worth to buy...?

pleeeaaaaseeee heeeelp!!!

thanks!!!
Its not polite to hijack a thread.If you want to ask a question,start your own thread.Introduce yourself and ask properly.What brand and model of cymbals?Sizes and weights?Crash,ride,hi hats?People here will help you,but I think you need to reread the rules (as do I on occasion)first.

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Could be a dream come true.........could be that someone's offering to throw in a bridge too. Obviously it depends on what they are. Come on man, way more info. needed.

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