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Old 12-14-2008, 02:57 PM
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I was just listening to the John Bonham site here, the guy talked about the way he tuned his drums, the batter heads were tuned high, but the reso heads were higher, same thing with the bass drum, does anyone know how they were tuned, and if you were using a drum dial, what would the settings be, i really like his sound, any help would be appreciated thks.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:12 PM
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I was just listening to the John Bonham site here, the guy talked about the way he tuned his drums, the batter heads were tuned high, but the reso heads were higher, same thing with the bass drum, does anyone know how they were tuned, and if you were using a drum dial, what would the settings be, i really like his sound, any help would be appreciated thks.
You might need to buy an acrylic drumset, slap some clear, Remo, CS (sound control) black dot heads and tune your drums in the above fashion, to get that sound. Just the other day my buddy explained to me; Mr Bonham used a 6 1/2 x 14 steal Ludwig snare drum witch he tuned high and kept the snares loose. Now all you'll have to do is grow a mustache and long hair.
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:19 AM
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You might need to buy an acrylic drumset ......
Cheaper, would be buy the DVD, "Trust Your Ears", by Jeff Ocheltree. It'll save you the cost of buying a drum dial AND a Ludwig Vistalite drum kit. Plus, the Vistalite would "only" give you the JB stage sound. He used his Ludwig 3 ply maple kits in the studio. The "big" drum sound is simply that. Big drums. You have to get into the "sweet spot", and that's gonna be different in a 20, 22, 24, 26, 28 (I've had all those sizes). Right now I've a 22x14 Rogers and a 26x14 Ludwig. The "not so secret secret" JB used was tuning his reso. head higher than the batter. Very "old school". You have to remember, or realize, the Remo pinstripe head was invented sometime around 1973. That's the year Led Zepps. 5th album came out. There were no SuperkickEMADyaddayadda heads back then. Emperor/Ambassador or Controlled Sound/Ambassador and a felt strip...and a good ear. As Mr. Ocheltree says, "drum tuning is an art, not a science".
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:19 AM
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Cheaper, would be buy the DVD, "Trust Your Ears", by Jeff Ocheltree. It'll save you the cost of buying a drum dial AND a Ludwig Vistalite drum kit. Plus, the Vistalite would "only" give you the JB stage sound. He used his Ludwig 3 ply maple kits in the studio. The "big" drum sound is simply that. Big drums. You have to get into the "sweet spot", and that's gonna be different in a 20, 22, 24, 26, 28 (I've had all those sizes). Right now I've a 22x14 Rogers and a 26x14 Ludwig. The "not so secret secret" JB used was tuning his reso. head higher than the batter. Very "old school". You have to remember, or realize, the Remo pinstripe head was invented sometime around 1973. That's the year Led Zepps. 5th album came out. There were no SuperkickEMADyaddayadda heads back then. Emperor/Ambassador or Controlled Sound/Ambassador and a felt strip...and a good ear. As Mr. Ocheltree says, "drum tuning is an art, not a science".
I love that DVD! The demo of his green sparkle kit and the methods of tuning the 26" kick. Tight coated ambs on bottom, kind of tight coated emperors on top. It was nice to see Mark Craney before he passed away, and Danny on that Paiste bronze kit. Pure drum porn.

IMO, that vistalite kit sounded very dry and hollow compared to the maple.
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:16 AM
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This might help youtube has everything well nearly everything
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMqHqADnREY
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I love that DVD!
Without a doubt, anyone who plays drums should watch it and/or own it.
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The demo of his green sparkle kit and the methods of tuning the 26" kick. Tight coated ambs on bottom, kind of tight coated emperors on top.
Jeff's approach, I love it. You need to put the head on the drum and tune it. His "just do it attitude". Tighten the rods clockwise, counterclockwise, star pattern, randomly, burn incense, sprinkle with holy water, it's all good...whatever works.
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IMO, that vistalite kit sounded very dry and hollow compared to the maple.
Acrylic drums are a different beast, for sure. I played Luddie Vista's for 25+ years.Very "live" drums. Really bright. Mostly, I ran clear Pins. batter and clear Ambs. reso., that "tamed" them quite a bit. Great stage drums. Now I'm in a rut with Rogers XP-8 shells and Luddie 6 ply. Not a bad place to be, if you have to be somewhere.
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Ok, here's the deal. I have Ocheltree's DVD. He never REALLY reveals Bonhams "secret". Instead, he says thinks like; "he tuned the bottom head WAY up", and "the bottom head would be tuned the way you would hear a snare drum being tuned". Not very technical. However with those clues, and some experimentation, I have come very close.

First, for all wood drums, you gotta go coated Emperors over coated Ambassadors. Tune the top head to just a little up from where the drum makes a nice clear resonant tone, but not enough to start choking it. Then tune the bottom head a perfect fourth higher than the top head. Do not use any muffling or dampening. The tuning takes care of the dampening. The snare tuning is high and tight, the bottom head higher but not a fourth, just until it sounds right. Snares somewhat loose, so you can hear the snares even with the lightest tap. But for the bass, I prefer Aquarian Superkick 1s. This tuning is neither original or secret, but has been used by jazz drummers for decades. Bonham was very jazz influenced, and he liked that sound. Combine that with large drums, his unique feel, and boom, classic rock god. Oh, I have a drum dial too. Sell it. They are worthless, and will drive you mad.

I must warn you that they will sound weird to you at first from behind the kit because you will hear a lot of the bottom head, and it will sound high and choked, but out in the room (where his room mikes were) they sound open and beautiful.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:25 PM
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Ok, here's the deal. I have Ocheltree's DVD. He never REALLY reveals Bonhams "secret". Instead, he says thinks like; "he tuned the bottom head WAY up", and "the bottom head would be tuned the way you would hear a snare drum being tuned". Not very technical. However with those clues, and some experimentation, I have come very close.

First, for all wood drums, you gotta go coated Emperors over coated Ambassadors. Tune the top head to just a little up from where the drum makes a nice clear resonant tone, but not enough to start choking it. Then tune the bottom head a perfect fourth higher than the top head. Do not use any muffling or dampening. The tuning takes care of the dampening. The snare tuning is high and tight, the bottom head higher but not a fourth, just until it sounds right. Snares somewhat loose, so you can hear the snares even with the lightest tap. But for the bass, I prefer Aquarian Superkick 1s. This tuning is neither original or secret, but has been used by jazz drummers for decades. Bonham was very jazz influenced, and he liked that sound. Combine that with large drums, his unique feel, and boom, classic rock god. Oh, I have a drum dial too. Sell it. They are worthless, and will drive you mad.

I must warn you that they will sound weird to you at first from behind the kit because you will hear a lot of the bottom head, and it will sound high and choked, but out in the room (where his room mikes were) they sound open and beautiful.
that pretty much says it all, ive had alot of fun tuning up my luddies along these principles.
but one thing bothered me in this months Modern Drummer magazine (december2008)...someone asked the same JB tuning question which was answerd by Mr Ochletree himself.
Jeff's advice was to make sure the batter was tuned higher than the reso. this conflicts with what i had previously heard. According to the article: "Remember, the batter head needs to be pitched higher than the resonant to avoid a flapping, clicking sound. bass drums must have the lowest but clearest sound possible in order to give your kit the "bottom you're looking for "please correct me if im missing something here but it seemed at odds with his own advice even on the DVD.

maybe i should experiment some more, but my 22 x 14 3ply Ludwig kick sounds great with the reso pitched higher and the felt strips on batter and reso sides.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:47 PM
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...... in this months Modern Drummer magazine (december2008)...someone asked the same JB tuning question which was answerd by Mr Ochletree himself.
Jeff's advice was to make sure the batter was tuned higher than the reso. this conflicts with what i had previously heard.
Could be just a MD typo....I'd wait to see what the "fall out" is from that.
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You have all forgotten the MOST important and CRUCIAL part of this "Tone" equation.

John Bonham the man.

His TOUCH was what made the tone happen, he had his own way of playing that some can emulate, but no one can really duplicate as they are not HIM!!!

It took his special magical way of playing to bring out what you heard, not JUST the drums, not JUST the tuning, not JUST the heads used, not JUST any one thing!! It was ALL of those things and one more . . . HIM!!

John Henry Bonham.

Unless he comes back re-incarnate, you will never hear exactly that again. Some things will be close, but not exactly John Bonham.
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:14 PM
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Could be just a MD typo....I'd wait to see what the "fall out" is from that.

i wondered about that. for a typo with such a fundamental flaw its pretty hillarious given the context of this thread.
i had to re-read it a few times, and i know the article was specifically adressing the ''Big Bass Drum Tone'' issue but it still seemed contradictory.
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You have all forgotten the MOST important and CRUCIAL part of this "Tone" equation.

John Bonham the man.

His TOUCH was what made the tone happen, he had his own way of playing that some can emulate, but no one can really duplicate as they are not HIM!!!

It took his special magical way of playing to bring out what you heard, not JUST the drums, not JUST the tuning, not JUST the heads used, not JUST any one thing!! It was ALL of those things and one more . . . HIM!!

John Henry Bonham.

Unless he comes back re-incarnate, you will never hear exactly that again. Some things will be close, but not exactly John Bonham.
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You have all forgotten the MOST important and CRUCIAL part of this "Tone" equation.

John Bonham the man.

His TOUCH was what made the tone happen, he had his own way of playing that some can emulate, but no one can really duplicate as they are not HIM!!!

It took his special magical way of playing to bring out what you heard, not JUST the drums, not JUST the tuning, not JUST the heads used, not JUST any one thing!! It was ALL of those things and one more . . . HIM!!

John Henry Bonham.

Unless he comes back re-incarnate, you will never hear exactly that again. Some things will be close, but not exactly John Bonham.
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You have all forgotten the MOST important and CRUCIAL part of this "Tone" equation.


His TOUCH was what made the tone happen...not JUST the drums, not JUST the tuning, not JUST the heads used, not JUST any one thing!! It was ALL of those things and one more . . . HIM!!

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That is true to some extent, as far as his playing is concerned, but don't forget Jimmy Page's engineering skills, mic placement, etc.
Remember this, the drums don't know who's playing them. Bonhams only technique for hitting a drum (I'm not talking playing here) was to make sure that with this tuning, he hit the drum right in the center of the head. The sweet spot. That is very important. If you don't believe me, just look at his drum heads (he liked them well used). All the wear is dead center. That in itself takes practice.
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I dont think I can play like John Bonham but the drum sound.... any qualified recording engineer can achieve.
The sound certainly had as much to do with engineering, as did tuning, head type, shell size and material, and the player... combined. And while the sound is not hard to achieve (we got it easily for a snippet of Black Dog on our latest album,) remember that it was fairly groundbreaking when Led Zep hit, and is so closely identified with Bonham and the band, you wouldn't want to use it for anything anyway (unless you're Kingdom Clone... er, Kingdom Come, and ready to be labeled copycats!)

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His TOUCH was what made the tone happen, he had his own way of playing that some can emulate, but no one can really duplicate as they are not HIM!!!
Maybe more importantly though is that you've only heard his drums on a recording, not in real life. I know that the tuning wouldn't sound too much different, but their would be more overtones and ambiance than in real life.
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One thing to remember about John's sound was the type of drums and heads he was using. Obviously there is a crucial element in how they were tuned but, if you don't have the right drums you are not going to get that sound.

I found this to be true with my vintage Tama Superstars. No matter what heads I used or how I tuned these drums they just always sounded dead to me. I was very frustrated for many years until I purchased my amber vistalites a just like that I had that Bonham sound.
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I dont think I can play like John Bonham but the drum sound.... any qualified recording engineer can achieve.
Not necessarily. It helps to have a good engineer, but if the initial sound's not there, you're not going to get the end result without doing something drastic, like sampling or triggers. You can get pretty close, but not without some similar drums.

And as has been said, big drums make a big sound.
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One thing to remember about John's sound was the type of drums and heads he was using. Obviously there is a crucial element in how they were tuned but, if you don't have the right drums you are not going to get that sound.

I found this to be true with my vintage Tama Superstars. No matter what heads I used or how I tuned these drums they just always sounded dead to me. I was very frustrated for many years until I purchased my amber vistalites a just like that I had that Bonham sound.

Maybe, but his studio set was wooden throughout every Zeppelin recording. His Vistas were only for concerts and only during the early to mid 1970's.
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This tuning is neither original or secret, but has been used by jazz drummers for decades. Bonham was very jazz influenced, and he liked that sound. Combine that with large drums, his unique feel, and boom, classic rock god. .
Yes. I have also read interviews with Page and Plant where they mentioned that Bonzo (long before Ochletree) was particular of his drum tuning, and had Ludwig come in and tune his set for him. This was probably late 60's and early 70's. For those of you that were not playing back then, we pretty much tuned our kits the way of the big band drummers back then, which was a jazz tuning. They liked their toms and bass tuned higher so you could get faster stick/beater response on those blinding fast fills. So my bet is that Ludwig tuned his kit early on in the fashion of the big band drummers, and he kept that method throughout the rest of his life. I have always been hoping that some old Ludwig employee would jump up and tell us exactly how Bonzo tuned, since Ochletree seems so elusive on the subject. But my bet is that if you can find out about Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, or Louie Belson's tunings, you will probably get close enough to Bonzo's.

I personally never liked the sound of Bonzo's drums (his toms always sounded somewhat dead to me), while I idolized him as a drummer. I along with alot of other rock drummers of the 1970's eventually tuned my toms much lower, for more of that resonant thump and thud sound that studio engineers love so much these days.
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A few months ago Drum Magazine had an article on just this very thing, The Bonham sound.
I mailed it to one of our Forum members in Belgium because he was interested or I would quote the page, etc. It's out there for the taking.
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Yes, I read it. He offered that he thought Bonham's tom resonants were tuned about 1/4 to 1/2 a turn tighter than his batters and his snare was tuned high with loose snares, but that was about all he went into tuning wise, besides citing it as a perpetual mystery that even Ochletree doesn't really address.
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Hey all, I'm resurrecting an old unanswered.

Can anyone answer the original posters question on Bonzo's tuning?
No tech, or engineer got the Bonham sound. As a matter of fact no one has gotten the Bonham sound xcept Bonzo:) If you disagree, prove it with a link or mp3, words mean nothing:)
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...No tech, or engineer got the Bonham sound. As a matter of fact no one has gotten the Bonham sound xcept Bonzo:) If you disagree, prove it with a link or mp3, words mean nothing:)
I totally agree with this! I have never heard the sound Bonzo produced from anyone, but Bonzo. I will further add, it wasn't only the way the drums were tuned, there was some heavy sound engineering going on!

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There's something kind of silver dot-y about his sound- I don't know if he ever actually recorded with Ludwig silver dot heads, but I'd fool around with those- particularly on the bass drum. The attack is a little harder than with the cs black dots.
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If you disagree, prove it with a link or mp3 .....
A mp3 ... or a sound bite .... please ...
No, I disagree ... If you own the drums .... then you probably know how to tune them ....
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I'm not buying into the notion that he had some secret tuning. It's not rocket science. That sound can be recreated easily enough, it's not mystical or anything. Big Ludwig drums, with coated emps over coated ambs, reso tuned higher than batter. Yes the tuning is critical but easy enough to duplicate. Hit the drums dead center with authority. There's your formula.

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I am a huge Bonham fan. His sound isn't magic. It's big drums tuned the way people used to tune big drums. To say that the engineering/production had nothing to do with it is like saying the 3rd and 4th albums have the same drum sound.
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What astounds me the most about Bonzo's sound was how uniquely engineered it was!
Everything was BIG! Big room, big high ceilings...dynamic range was huge. You couldn't possibly have produced it more PHAT!
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This is a peculiar question. Being a big Bonham fan myself, I've worked long and hard on understanding how that sound worked. Remember that there was not one universal Bonham sound on every record. The tuning and micing on Led Zeppelin I is totally different to In Through The Out Door, or Led Zeppelin IV even. On later albums the tuning is overall much lower. As a general rule, tune quite high, and tune the resonant heads higher than the batter heads. Coated heads on wooden drums, or clear heads on a vistalite (there's another one...two radically different sounds that are still thought of as 'the Bonham sound'.

Simply put...tune higher than the lowest note the drum produces, and have the resonant head higher than the batter. The relationship between the two heads should be the point at which it sounds good to you. An LM402 will sound a lot more like Bonham than any other snare, because that's what he used. Again, the tuning varies wildly...listen to the snare on 'Good Times Bad Times' and then compare it with the snare on 'No Quarter' from Houses of the Holy...the 'No Quarter' snare is tuned considerably lower.

An unported bass drum is quite important for the bass drum sound but it can be approximated if the mic port isn't too big.

As far as micing goes...again, for the first album or two I think the kit was miced from above...one overhead, or a stereo mic. No spot mics usually (although live there were). Compression is an important part of the sound (but again, are we going for 'Whole Lotta Love', 'When The Levee Breaks' or 'All My Love'? A different amount would be required for each one). The drums for 'In Through The Out Door' were played back through a speaker in a stone room to add more reverb to the sound. That'll have had quite a big effect.

The only common factors throughout all of this are the size of the drums (14" or 15" mounted tom, 16" and 18" floor toms, 26" kick), and using overheads to get the main drum sound rather than spot mics. That's it.
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I am amused with all the fanboy idolization of a drum tuning. IDK I think it's a fools journey to try and cop another's sound. In the end it all comes down to how you play your drums not the tuning. Let JB's sound RIP with him. Your emotion and energy is what you were given, don't throw that away in favor for what someone else was given. That's ungrateful.
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Old 08-01-2011, 12:20 AM
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Im sure the right sizes will help ALOT. It wouldn't be physically possible to get the exact sound from his 14'' tom with a 10/12''. Im sure you can get pretty near, with some heavy tuning, with alot of precision and drum head selection.
I might have even got one of these Bonzo sounds out of my toms without noticing, and i maybe didn't like it at all, so i retuned. I tune my heads like said in here. Bottom tighter than top. I tune the bass drum until it feels and sounds good to me. I tune the snare until i can make ghostnotes without even touching the head (almost). I tune the snare until it sounds good to ME. That's is what i'd say the best method to tune. Tune until it sounds and feels good, to YOU. - Not Bonham..
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:22 AM
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I am amused with all the fanboy idolization of a drum tuning. IDK I think it's a fools journey to try and cop another's sound. In the end it all comes down to how you play your drums not the tuning. Let JB's sound RIP with him. Your emotion and energy is what you were given, don't throw that away in favor for what someone else was given. That's ungrateful.
With all due respect

Thanx for the condescending sermon. Here's a reply from a "fanboy" Drums are either tuned or not tuned. Bonham tuned his drums extremely well and to try to emulate that is simply smart and a good learning experience. I guess by your standard, we should never play along with our favorite records, and put down the books cause we'd be "coping" another. To dismiss, and not learn and evolve from what our predecessors accomplished, would be "ungrateful" That was a foolish insulting post to say the least. Post up your sound and playing, see if it stands up to Bonzo's. Until then, don't judge people working on their craft the way they see fit
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:30 AM
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A mp3 ... or a sound bite .... please ...
No, I disagree ... If you own the drums .... then you probably know how to tune them ....
If you don't own the drums, then you're probably just here to argue ....
And they say "a picture is worth a thousand words" ...
I love that quote at the bottom, I've been saying that for years " I feel more like i do now than i did when i first got here" also try "It's colder in the summer than it is in the country":)

Nice kit, I built my own drums to extremely exacting specs. But a picture is worth nothing. A sound clip or some form of media with proof of "sound" is what i'm saying. A million guys have Bonzo sizes and not much more:)
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:34 AM
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Im sure the right sizes will help ALOT. It wouldn't be physically possible to get the exact sound from his 14'' tom with a 10/12''. Im sure you can get pretty near, with some heavy tuning, with alot of precision and drum head selection.
I might have even got one of these Bonzo sounds out of my toms without noticing, and i maybe didn't like it at all, so i retuned. I tune my heads like said in here. Bottom tighter than top. I tune the bass drum until it feels and sounds good to me. I tune the snare until i can make ghostnotes without even touching the head (almost). I tune the snare until it sounds good to ME. That's is what i'd say the best method to tune. Tune until it sounds and feels good, to YOU. - Not Bonham..
Does it matter to you that that wasn't the question? Why do people feel the need to talk people out of what they're interested in????? Geeezzz
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:39 AM
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I am a huge Bonham fan. His sound isn't magic. It's big drums tuned the way people used to tune big drums. To say that the engineering/production had nothing to do with it is like saying the 3rd and 4th albums have the same drum sound.
What you speak of is nuance. Bonzo sounds like Bonzo on every album. Once again no specifics on tuning??? what is it with you guys?
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:42 AM
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I have a 1970 Ludwig green sparkle kit identical to the one in Jeff Ocheltree's video.
I tune it like I tune all my drums, which is resonant side higher than batter side, but.... this particular kit is a different animal and requires a slightly different approach. Because they are big drums and the shell construction is 3 ply maple/poplar/maple, the drums sound better tuned a bit higher in pitch than modern drums. They don't sound good at JAW tuning, they need to be tensioned up to resonate and create that big sound. It's big and boomy, but with the bottom head higher in pitch, which is about a third higher on my kit, it is a controlled boom. The kick drum isn't thuddy..it's boomy too, but it sounds awesome, big and powerful. The whole kit has that vintage bonzo big boomy vibe, and is totally different than my DW's. I think if you want that Bonham type of sound from your kit, you gotta have larger drums tuned up a little higher, the correct heads and expect it to be a different animal that may not be appropriate for today's music.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:48 AM
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Does it matter to you that that wasn't the question? Why do people feel the need to talk people out of what they're interested in????? Geeezzz
I read the whole thread, so I know that what I wrote was not an answer to the given question. Im not trying to talk him away from Bonham or the style he likes or anything like that. I just think it's important to find the sound YOU want and not your friend or Bonham in this case. Besides, everything i could give the guy for an answer was already posted in here a thousand times. So I really just wrote what i felt about this whole subject of an idol and everything.
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Old 08-01-2011, 01:56 AM
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With all due respect
With all my respect sir. I'd suggest you stop writing these offensive posts. We didn't harm, Insult or threaten you in any way, and still you enter this defensive stance where you keep tell us that we're wrong, and write this posts. I scrolled down a little, and then I see you did this three times? And you ask what's wrong with us! May I ask what the heck that's wrong with you?
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Old 08-01-2011, 02:07 AM
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With all my respect sir. I'd suggest you stop writing these offensive posts. We didn't harm, Insult or threaten you in any way, and still you enter this defensive stance where you keep tell us that we're wrong, and write this posts. I scrolled down a little, and then I see you did this three times? And you ask what's wrong with us! May I ask what the heck that's wrong with you?
That one post was offensive to anyone who asks a question. No offense intended to you or any other, I'm not looking for a fight. Sometimes the written word can imply emotion not intended. I appreciate advise from u and others, it's just frustrating to read through an entire thread to find IMO little pertinent or thoughtful input, mostly just detractors and nay sayers. why bother responding if you have nothing constructive to add? It's not good for anyone. The questions are about Bonzo's tuning...Period. And I may have missed it, but i found no good answers.

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