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Old 11-14-2008, 12:13 AM
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Default I saw the weirdest pedal at a Marshall store today

It wasn't direct drive, and it wasn't chain drive...instead it had like, a wheel attached to footboard which slid up and down a track connected to the beater, and then the spring was mounted on the base

I've never seen anything like this, and I can't remember who made it, anyone here know? Links are appreciated!
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Old 11-14-2008, 12:59 AM
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was it the gibratler catapult?
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Old 11-14-2008, 01:07 AM
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The gibraltar crapapault is even less desirable to me than the BOA. People have complained that AXIS pedals lack power. At least the AXIS has the sonic hammer to compensate. The crapapault is just a weak pedal and a poor design. I own the direct-drive gibraltars myself.
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Old 11-14-2008, 01:59 AM
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yeah, that's the one! I had a feeling it was probably a pos with such a ridiculous design.
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:05 AM
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hahaha "Crapapault".....thats too funny...especially after I saw the picture of it.....bout died and fell off my chair with laughter...
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Old 11-14-2008, 05:27 AM
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the design. I like the progressive stuff. Ive tried it a bit, and it seems that it isn't as quick and responsive as a normal pedal, but i'm sure there is a place for it. If I remember right, there was a review in Modern Drummer about it and it said that the pedal reduces the impact on your legs significantly. Softer feel, that is, i guess. It may lack power too, but not everyone needs a surplus of power on the ready.


All that being said, I wouldn't buy one. =p
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:10 AM
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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the design. I like the progressive stuff.
I like progressive stuff too, but I've been to 2 NAMM shows where they had the pedal on display, on a rack, but not on the floor, set up with a kick pad, so you could play it. Add to that I've never seen one in a store....makes me wonder.
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Ive tried it a bit, and it seems that it isn't as quick and responsive as a normal pedal, but i'm sure there is a place for it.
Well, at least you got your foot on one. I think in the 2 years(?) that pedals been out, we've had one forum member who owned one.....and sold it.
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.....All that being said, I wouldn't buy one. =p
Truth rears its ugly head. Actually, there is a place for it. I have a pedal collection (of sorts), I'd be willing to pop $25 for one, just for yucks.
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I own the direct-drive gibraltars myself.
Now you're the first cat to offer up that info., that I've seen. How do you like the direct-drive Gibraltar. I run 1 or 2 Yamaha FDDD's, and I love 'em. Again, twice I've seen the Gibraltar pedals at NAMM, but no way to play the darn thangs.
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:28 AM
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Weird is right. I haven't tried one, but I've seen one played. Hooked up to a bass drum,it looks like a Scottish Terrier trying to bite a reporter.
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Old 11-14-2008, 09:45 AM
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.....looks like a Scottish Terrier trying to bite a reporter.
Gawd.....my folks owned 2 Scotties, what a great visual there, Abe.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:23 AM
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Now you're the first cat to offer up that info., that I've seen. How do you like the direct-drive Gibraltar. I run 1 or 2 Yamaha FDDD's, and I love 'em. Again, twice I've seen the Gibraltar pedals at NAMM, but no way to play the darn thangs.
Well, they are a close match for the yamaha FD DD. The action is very smooth, perhaps slightly less refined. They are plenty rugged, but the hoop clamp sticks up very high and the footboard very low. They can interfere with each other if you aren't careful. For that, the Yamaha are better. They cost me about $200 for the pair. They are soon to be my backup pedal. My primary pedals will be Trick Pro-1V Bigfoot (because I was offered "artists pricing" and could not refuse.)

There is a place for the crapapault, it's in the museum for bad ideas. I can picture one on the shelf right next to other technical flops like a Slingerland cardboard snare drum.

EDIT: The crapapault earned the nickname "P****foot" from those that tried it.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:44 AM
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Well, they are a close match for the yamaha FD DD. The action is very smooth, perhaps slightly less refined. They are plenty rugged, but the hoop clamp sticks up very high and the footboard very low. They can interfere with each other if you aren't careful. For that, the Yamaha are better. They cost me about $200 for the pair.
Thanks for the quick get-back. That's pretty much how I figured the story would go. I've always been a fan of direct drive. Speed King...Ghost...Tama HP55 King Beat...all part of my collection. Someday maybe a Catapult...for the collection.
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Old 11-14-2008, 11:19 AM
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Thanks for the quick get-back. That's pretty much how I figured the story would go. I've always been a fan of direct drive. Speed King...Ghost...Tama HP55 King Beat...all part of my collection. Someday maybe a Catapult...for the collection.
Do you have any photo's of said collection?

That's pretty cool. Like you said.. $25 as a collector's item. Functionally? I'd rather have any double chain VEX pedal than the crapapault.
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Old 11-14-2008, 12:56 PM
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There was a review in Modern Drummer about it and it said that the pedal reduces the impact on your legs significantly.
The last time I checked, it was correct technique that reduces the impact on your legs...
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Old 11-14-2008, 01:56 PM
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The last time I checked, it was correct technique that reduces the impact on your legs...

Yeah, that makes sense. I'll look up that review. Maybe I wasn't completely accurate as to what it was saying.
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:44 PM
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You have to plan your stroke five seconds beforehand if you're going to hit the bass on time with that pedal.
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:49 PM
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Yeah, that makes sense. I'll look up that review. Maybe I wasn't completely accurate as to what it was saying.
No need to look up the review, since your quote was most likely dead on. My point is that if your legs suffer from heavy impacts induced by bass drum pedals, your technique is somehow lacking to start with, and getting a new, special pedal to remedy this issue isn't too sage.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:33 PM
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Sounds like a poorly made pedal.
It'd be kind of akward.
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:53 PM
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No need to look up the review, since your quote was most likely dead on. My point is that if your legs suffer from heavy impacts induced by bass drum pedals, your technique is somehow lacking to start with, and getting a new, special pedal to remedy this issue isn't too sage.
if your legs suffer from the impact of the beater it's like holding the sticks very tight and not letting them rebound, right? That would not depend on the pedal you play but on your technique.
I am glad I have my Elims though, so I can never blame them, only my technique :-P.
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Old 11-18-2008, 11:07 PM
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if your legs suffer from the impact of the beater it's like holding the sticks very tight and not letting them rebound, right? That would not depend on the pedal you play but on your technique.
I am glad I have my Elims though, so I can never blame them, only my technique :-P.
I tend to disagree about the pedal having no effect. The ratio to foot movement related to beater movement can effect your legs. The verdict seems to be that the pedal produces less power than a normal pedal. It seems that because the footboard may have to move more, it may result in a softer pedal feel, but less speed. I'm sure some pedals have a quicker, more abrupt feel, but lots of power. Kind of like gear ratios on a bicycle.

But yes, technique can effect everything more so.
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Old 11-19-2008, 06:24 AM
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I tend to disagree about the pedal having no effect. The ratio to foot movement related to beater movement can effect your legs.
True. Just like different sticks feel different in your hands, different pedals feel different under your feet. Good technique allows you to adapt to these differences and make the best of the equipment available.
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