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Old 11-08-2008, 01:00 AM
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This one is for Andy B. Size are 22" x 16", 16" x 14" and 12" x 8".
All in Bubinga as you may have already found.
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Old 11-08-2008, 01:56 AM
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Looks like you forgot the bass spurs on this one too! rofl

seriously, gorgous.

If you could please shoot me an email with your pricing on maple stave and bubinga kits. I may be in the market soon.
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:32 AM
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Beautiful. I think it would be even better if the kit had wood hoops all around. But nonetheless that kit is a work of art.
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:40 AM
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Beautiful. I think it would be even better if the kit had wood hoops all around. But nonetheless that kit is a work of art.
I was just thinking the same thing. I am working a concert right now with the band "Sanctus Real" and their drummer is using a Risen Drums custom kit with wood hoops all around and it's a sweet looking kit.
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Yeah the triple flanged hoops look a little tacky next to the bass drum, but they're all amazing as usual. Great work again.
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How many of the same drumsets do you have??
They're beautiful!!!!

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Man that's a beauty! (Again, I may be bias...)

Andy man, I gotta warn you - you'll spend more time staring at these drums at first then you will playing them, remember to snap out of it! Then you'll play them and realize what you've been missing with everything else.

I dig the inlay on the bd hoops, will it be filled w/ bubinga?

Also, not to hijack, but are those the claws you were waiting to send me? They're damn nice!
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All I have to say is, this kit reminds me an awful lot of Rob's (fourstringdrums) if you guys remember it.
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Old 11-10-2008, 05:30 AM
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All I have to say is, this kit reminds me an awful lot of Rob's (fourstringdrums) if you guys remember it.
Remove by respect for Andy's thread.

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Ok, it's a serious question...

What is so great about bubinga wood ?

I know it sound good, I eard Zambizzi's sound file, but
before I set my mind on maple, would you guys tell me
more about the bubinga technicality / sound wise...

Again François, very nice kit...

I hope that you don't mind if I ask in your tread...

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Ok, it's a serious question...

What is so great about bubinga wood ?

I know it sound good, I eard Zambizzi's sound file, but
before I set my mind on maple, would you guys tell me
more about the bubinga technicality / sound wise...

Again François, very nice kit...

I hope that you don't mind if I ask in your tread...

Thanks !

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The certain warmth and sharp clarity and depth of tone {deep sound} with a huge dynamic range speaking clearly very soft and very loud is what I experience with bubinga wood Philippe. Amazing sounding drums made with this wood both for on stage and in the recording studio. What really gets me is the striking rich unique tonal personality this wood has like no other set of drums i've ever heard or owned made with other woods. These comments are from a guy with a year old jazz size set with all 9 ply type construction bubinga wood shells which sound even better at present than when they were first in my hands which was nothing to sneaze at back then believe me.

Love the Unix bubinga stave beauties posted in this thread. Congrats to Andy. Very surprised indeed to hear Rob {fourstringdrums} is selling his lovely Unix kit though {?}
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:06 AM
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I would agree with Stan on bubinga characteristics. The only other drums I've played are maple (DW, Pearl, and Ludwig).

To my ears, bubinga is much more punchy...but in a very dark and warm way. It's a very round, fat sound that covers a broader spectrum of highs and lows and any maple drums I've had.
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I would agree with Stan on bubinga characteristics. The only other drums I've played are maple (DW, Pearl, and Ludwig).

To my ears, bubinga is much more punchy...but in a very dark and warm way. It's a very round, fat sound that covers a broader spectrum of highs and lows and any maple drums I've had.
I totally agree with your further points.

On a side note do you know zambizzi why Rob {fourstringdrums} is selling his Unix kit. The look and sound {sound files} I remember made them a real full term keeper in my view.
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something to do with mobility cause they are heavy and he has trouble carrying them..which is totally understandable since they are basically thick solid wood.

he's just looking at a smaller portable kit..

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Old 11-10-2008, 07:24 AM
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On a side note do you know zambizzi why Rob {fourstringdrums} is selling his Unix kit. The look and sound {sound files} I remember made them a real full term keeper in my view.
Yeah, I looked over at GN, it looks like he is. If I had the dough I'd take them off his hands, for sure.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:31 AM
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something to do with mobility cause they are heavy and he has trouble carrying them..which is totally understandable since they are basically thick solid wood.

he's just looking at a smaller portable kit..

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That's too bad Alex but it makes sense because that's another characteristic of the wood to keep in mind the shells are HEAVY. When people pick up my 10" bubinga tom there are always in for quite a surprise:} I would imagine stave bubinga construction would give them even further "beef" in the weight department.

Well somebodys going to get a great kit and hope Rob finds something more suited to his current needs {easy potability}.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:37 AM
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Yeah, I looked over at GN, it looks like he is. If I had the dough I'd take them off his hands, for sure.
Well if money wasn't a problem i'd suggest that he keep them as his home studio kit and and get another lightweight portable kit for hauling around. That may not be an option {?}.

As well as Andy congrats by the way on your own new Unix beauties zambizzi.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:40 AM
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Ya know...these drums aren't THAT heavy. I really didn't notice a difference in weight between the bubingas and the Pearl maple kit I have, though the Pearls have a bit more hardware on them.

Either way, they're not much (if at all) heavier than plywood kits. I made the same assumptions at first and now I have no qualms about hauling this kit out into the world.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:53 AM
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Ya know...these drums aren't THAT heavy. I really didn't notice a difference in weight between the bubingas and the Pearl maple kit I have, though the Pearls have a bit more hardware on them.

Either way, they're not much (if at all) heavier than plywood kits. I made the same assumptions at first and now I have no qualms about hauling this kit out into the world.

Quite true and glad to hear that stave construction is around the same weight range as my 9 ply type bubinga shells but they certainly {in my case} are much beefier in weight than my lightweight Canwood rock maple shell drums I was used to moving around in the past. My 10" bubinga tom weighs more than my old 12" Canwood maple tom as one example. I have no issue with the added weight myself zambizzi taking them to gigs or the studio but in Rob's case it would appear that the added beef of bubinga wood has become an issue for him at present.
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something to do with mobility cause they are heavy and he has trouble carrying them..which is totally understandable since they are basically thick solid wood.

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Not true, carefull when you mention thing like this. :) His drum are made in African mahogany, they are as light as any other ply shell out there. He sell them because he need more cash flow, and want something he can beat up on stage and on band pratice.

Anyway, I don't wanna remove the focus on Andy's kit.

By the way,let's make something clear. Hardware on the shell, is by far more heavy then the shell itself.

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More wood = more drum = more weight.

More glue = less drum = less weight.

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More wood = more drum = more weight.

More glue = less drum = less weight.

Life is full of choices.
And even in ply type construction the choice of density of hardwood used during not just in stave construction but also ply type construction can add further weight to the mix. Anyone picking up any of my 9 ply bubinga shells with no hardware attached would notice the difference right away compared to bare bones maple shells as one example. Bubinga is one of the top 5 dense and heavy hardwoods to work with on the planet which shows it's added weight even in ply type shells too from my experience.
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WOW...another gorgeous kit...my envy is rising every time I look at one of these kits! Congrats to Andy on a fine kit and Unix nails another 10!!! Beautiful JOB.
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And even in ply type construction the choice of density of hardwood used during not just in stave construction but also ply type construction can add further weight to the mix. Anyone picking up any of my 9 ply bubinga shells with no hardware attached would notice the difference right away compared to bare bones maple shells as one example. Bubinga is one of the top 5 dense and heavy hardwoods to work with on the planet which shows it's added weight even in ply type shells too from my experience.
True, construction methods being equal, a denser wood will make a heavier drum.
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thats true Franky...

and i know that you have experimented with different ways to make them less heavy...

i didnt mean that in a bad response to you at all...

but, lol i see what your saying..

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Bubinga is one of the top 5 dense and heavy hardwoods to work with on the planet.

Sorry but not true, I don't wanna offend you but there is wood, way more harder to work with. Here is the Janka rating list:

Ipe / Brazilian Walnut / Lapacho 3684
Cumaru / Brazilian Teak 3540
Ebony 3220
Brazilian Redwood / Paraju 3190
Angelim Pedra 3040
Bloodwood 2900
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Bubinga 1980

In red are the wood I worked with in the last 6 months. Beleive me the other where by far a lot harder to work with. They heat and burn the cutter on the lathe 5 time faster then Bubinga. Bubinga is a lot harder then Maple, but strangly it can be work fairly easy.
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Okay I stand corrected. It certainly still on top of a list of select hardwoods more frequently used for making drums that is far denser and heavier than most other woods commonly used in making drum shells. I think we can both agree on that.
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Okay I stand corrected. It certainly still on top of a list of select hardwoods more frequently used for making drums that is far denser and heavier than most other woods commonly used in making drum shells. I think we can both agree on that.
Yep, but you know Jatoba is harder, but I didn't like his sound. Bubinga is the new thing in drum, soon it will be as most or even more popular then Maple. Half of what I build right now is in Bubinga, the other half is split with the rest of the spicies.
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Sorry but not true, I don't wanna offend you but there is wood, way more harder to work with. Here is the Janka rating list:

Ipe / Brazilian Walnut / Lapacho 3684
Cumaru / Brazilian Teak 3540
Ebony 3220
Brazilian Redwood / Paraju 3190
Angelim Pedra 3040
Bloodwood 2900
Red Mahogany, Turpentine 2697
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Brazilian Cherry / Jatoba 2350
Mesquite 2345
Santos Mahogany, Bocote, Cabreuva 2200
Pradoo 2170
Brushbox 2135
Karri 2030
Sydney Blue Gum 2023
Bubinga 1980

In red are the wood I worked with in the last 6 months. Beleive me the other where by far a lot harder to work with. They heat and burn the cutter on the lathe 5 time faster then Bubinga. Bubinga is a lot harder then Maple, but strangly it can be work fairly easy.
Which one of these is "ironwood"?
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Which one of these is "ironwood"?
Ironwood refers to many different kinds of wood, from all over the world. Cooktown ironwood, from which my drums are made, has a Janka hardness of about 3,900. There are only a few woods harder than this, such as lignum vitae.This is an insane wood, rating 4,500. Hard maple is 1,450.

The measurement refers to the kilograms of force needed to embed a 1-cm steel ball halfway into the wood.
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Yep, but you know Jatoba is harder, but I didn't like his sound. Bubinga is the new thing in drum, soon it will be as most or even more popular then Maple. Half of what I build right now is in Bubinga, the other half is split with the rest of the spicies.
Bubinga is all the rage right now. I'm waiting for CB700 and Sunlite to come out with bubinga kits.
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Bubinga is all the rage right now. I'm waiting for CB700 and Sunlite to come out with bubinga kits.
Totally. :P

Correct me if I'm wrong, but bubinga is a bit more costly and rare than these wankers would be cranking out kits of, in some Mexican factory, no? These guys haven't even heard of maple yet.

I chose it because it's becoming renown for its sound and Frank likes it better than maple.
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It's an expensive wood and i've been told it's price will keep going up due to it's limited availability. I was also told in all ply type construction {no filler woods} it's tough to work with especially AA flame bubinga wood being a hard wood with the wild grain patterns the type used on my all 9 ply bubinga kit. In fact in smaller jazz sizes mine is the only kit made by the company in Taiwan that they have shipped to North America at present due to the challenges using AA flame bubinga wood in all ply type construction shells

Don't think you'll see the beginner sets anytime soon in bubinga wood for 2 reasons: it's a more expensive wood to purchase in a raw state and has many more challenges to make into ply type construction shells making production cost more expensive to produce them at least with good results.
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Totally. :P

These guys haven't even heard of maple yet.
HAHA!

I think why it seems so prevalent right now is because I hang on out at this place, which has the best exotic kit drum porn on the 'net. It is still a rare wood for a drum kit and will likely only ever be found on high-end sets.
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All I have to say is, this kit reminds me an awful lot of Rob's (fourstringdrums) if you guys remember it.
Yes it does. i miss him. if you look around on the forum you can find his kit..i just cant remember what the title of the thread is.
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Well if money wasn't a problem i'd suggest that he keep them as his home studio kit and and get another lightweight portable kit for hauling around. That may not be an option {?}.

As well as Andy congrats by the way on your own new Unix beauties zambizzi.
Any idea what he wants for them, how to contact him, or see them. ?
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Sorry but not true, I don't wanna offend you but there is wood, way more harder to work with. Here is the Janka rating list:

Ipe / Brazilian Walnut / Lapacho 3684
Cumaru / Brazilian Teak 3540
Ebony 3220
Brazilian Redwood / Paraju 3190
Angelim Pedra 3040
Bloodwood 2900
Red Mahogany, Turpentine 2697
Spotted Gum 2473
Brazilian Cherry / Jatoba 2350
Mesquite 2345
Santos Mahogany, Bocote, Cabreuva 2200
Pradoo 2170
Brushbox 2135
Karri 2030
Sydney Blue Gum 2023
Bubinga 1980

In red are the wood I worked with in the last 6 months. Beleive me the other where by far a lot harder to work with. They heat and burn the cutter on the lathe 5 time faster then Bubinga. Bubinga is a lot harder then Maple, but strangly it can be work fairly easy.
Unix, I know this is a sensitive issue, but how do you get your wood and do you know it was taken sustainably? People have asked me this question about my kit and I've answered on my kit's thread.

I've heard Africa has some ecological problems due to overdevelopment, deforestation and mining. Who cuts your wood for you and how do they do it?
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: Another Bubinga kit

Nice kit.
Tama uses Bubinga, right?
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