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Old 09-30-2008, 08:11 PM
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Default DW tom mounts not grabbing

My new (used) kit has DW tension rod tom mounts, and a DW double tom stand. The clamps on the mounts are wrapped in hard rubber.

The problem is that when I put two toms on the stand, the clamps don't get tight enough to keep the toms from swinging side to side. It's tight enough to keep the toms from sliding down the post, but won't secure them laterally. The end result is that the two metal tom mounts rest against each other. It causes no noise (yet), but I'm concerned that this could eventually scratch up the mounts.

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Old 09-30-2008, 08:48 PM
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My new (used) kit has DW tension rod tom mounts, and a DW double tom stand. The clamps on the mounts are wrapped in hard rubber.
Any thoughts?
Are you talking about the wing nuts with the black rubber covering?

If so, the new style tom brackets with chrome wing nuts hold much better. Replace the old brackets with the new ones and sell the old ones on e bay. I just upgraded some of the brackets on one of my kits. It was a break even, money wise, once I sold the old style brackets.

Also, use memory locks on the L arms.

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Old 09-30-2008, 08:57 PM
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My new (used) kit has DW tension rod tom mounts, and a DW double tom stand. The clamps on the mounts are wrapped in hard rubber.

The problem is that when I put two toms on the stand, the clamps don't get tight enough to keep the toms from swinging side to side. It's tight enough to keep the toms from sliding down the post, but won't secure them laterally. The end result is that the two metal tom mounts rest against each other. It causes no noise (yet), but I'm concerned that this could eventually scratch up the mounts.

Any thoughts?
I think I need to see a photo.
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Old 10-01-2008, 01:16 AM
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Old 10-01-2008, 03:13 AM
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Are you talking about the wing nuts with the black rubber covering?

If so, the new style tom brackets with chrome wing nuts hold much better. Replace the old brackets with the new ones and sell the old ones on e bay. I just upgraded some of the brackets on one of my kits. It was a break even, money wise, once I sold the old style brackets.

Also, use memory locks on the L arms.

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I didn't clarify that my kit is not DW. It's a GMS kit with the DW hardware.

I was looking on DW's website for photos of these mounts, and discovered that the new DW mounts fit around the lug mounts rather than the lugs. Since I don't have DW lugs, that new one won't fit. Is there another model that I'm not aware of?

Memory locks are a good idea, though. I'll look into them.

Harryconway, you mentioned Yamaha hardware. Don't the new Yammie mounts punch small holes through the shell? I'm not keen on that.
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Old 10-01-2008, 03:55 AM
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I didn't clarify that my kit is not DW. It's a GMS kit with the DW hardware.

I was looking on DW's website for photos of these mounts, and discovered that the new DW mounts fit around the lug mounts rather than the lugs. Since I don't have DW lugs, that new one won't fit. Is there another model that I'm not aware of?

Memory locks are a good idea, though. I'll look into them.

Harryconway, you mentioned Yamaha hardware. Don't the new Yammie mounts punch small holes through the shell? I'm not keen on that.
OK,

Look into RIMS mounts. They mount to the tension rods.
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Old 10-01-2008, 04:24 AM
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OK,

Look into RIMS mounts. They mount to the tension rods.
So do mine. I could probably just replace the mounts altogether, but I would prefer a cheap fix if possible...

Best pic I've got right now:
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Old 10-01-2008, 05:36 AM
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The DW posts are significantly larger in diameter than some other companies' posts. I wonder if the previous owner replaced the ball-and-socket L-arm with a generic brand that is too skinny for the DW clamps...???

All I know is that I can't mount my DW toms on a Gibraltar tom mount post, so I had to replace the L-arm part (the ball part of the ball-and-socket) with a DW one. Works fine now.
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Old 10-01-2008, 06:17 AM
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Harryconway, you mentioned Yamaha hardware. Don't the new Yammie mounts punch small holes through the shell? I'm not keen on that.
I have RIMS with Yamaha tom mounts attached to them. I hate L-arms. With the experience of my Yamaha Recording Customs came my "moment of clarity" with Yamaha hardware. Since mostly I play vintage drums, it's a simple enough process. Remove factory mount, RIMS mount drum, hang on Yamaha hardware. When drums get sold, factory mount gets re-installed. I keep the RIMS and Yamaha. I've had bad luck with Tama, Gibraltar, DW and Sonor L-arm's, enough to never want to go back.
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Old 10-01-2008, 08:08 PM
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The DW posts are significantly larger in diameter than some other companies' posts. I wonder if the previous owner replaced the ball-and-socket L-arm with a generic brand that is too skinny for the DW clamps...???

All I know is that I can't mount my DW toms on a Gibraltar tom mount post, so I had to replace the L-arm part (the ball part of the ball-and-socket) with a DW one. Works fine now.
I can't believe I forgot this! Now that you mention it, they don't look thick enough to be the huge DW posts... Bizzare, though, that it would be a DW brand double tom holder (the one with a third clamp available for a cymbal boom), and not have the DW posts installed. My floor tom mounts on a generic Gibraltar arm clamped to a cymbal stand.

I have some DW arms lying around somewhere, I think. I'll have to go digging and see if they're as thick as I remember.

If I can't get that to work, I may end up wrapping the posts in electrical tape.
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Old 10-03-2008, 07:51 AM
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The DW posts are significantly larger in diameter than some other companies' posts. I wonder if the previous owner replaced the ball-and-socket L-arm with a generic brand that is too skinny for the DW clamps...???

All I know is that I can't mount my DW toms on a Gibraltar tom mount post, so I had to replace the L-arm part (the ball part of the ball-and-socket) with a DW one. Works fine now.
THis was my thought as well - I believe that the DW/Gretsch sizes are 12mm and the Tama are10.5 mm so you might start there.

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Old 10-03-2008, 03:28 PM
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Electrical tape will not work, You either need to get new L arms that are larger or new tom mounts that are smaller. There are plenty of on-line drum builders suppliers that carry both products.

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http://www.amdrumparts.com/ (they also build complete kits)

http://www.precisiondrum.com/index.html (they also build complete kits)

http://www.vintagedrum.com/category/...are-Drum-Parts

http://www.drummaker.com/

http://www.drumfoundry.com/ (This site has great tutorials and building tools as well)

http://www.percussiononline.com/drum...ssupplies.html
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Old 10-03-2008, 04:04 PM
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Electrical tape will not work, You either need to get new L arms that are larger or new tom mounts that are smaller. There are plenty of on-line drum builders suppliers that carry both products.

Drum Parts:

http://www.amdrumparts.com/ (they also build complete kits)

http://www.precisiondrum.com/index.html (they also build complete kits)

http://www.vintagedrum.com/category/...are-Drum-Parts

http://www.drummaker.com/

http://www.drumfoundry.com/ (This site has great tutorials and building tools as well)

http://www.percussiononline.com/drum...ssupplies.html
Ah, for the moment, money is tight, and the closest decent percussion store is an hour away in either direction (and I'm not sure if either of them deal in DW parts). I don't like ordering music gear online, because I don't get to look at it, hold it, and decide if it will work for me.

Why do you think electrical tape won't work? The clamp itself is coated with rubber. Rubber against tape should work just fine, and the added width should help, too. Yes, the tape won't stick well against the rough metal, but it can't make it much worse, right?
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