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Old 02-13-2015, 07:41 PM
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Far too long spent in full PPE & respirator results in this. Pau Ferro (Santos Rosewood) 6mm thick part finished solid shell. 1 of 7 I've been working on today. This has had it's coats of shellac, but is yet to be buffed & wax coats applied (+ bearing edges, hardware, etc). The effort is so worth it. I'm pumped!!!!!!
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Old 02-13-2015, 07:55 PM
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OK, you guys know I'm not a gear hound, but...

wantwantwantwantwant!!!
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Beautiful finish. Want to see it when done
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SUPER !!

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Old 02-13-2015, 08:07 PM
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OK, you guys know I'm not a gear hound, but...

wantwantwantwantwant!!!
I want one too, but I fear they'll all sell :(

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Ok -NOT!!! Mwhaahahaha :)

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Finish - FINISH = blasphemy John!!! "Finish" is for ply guys & decorative veneers - this is solid mother nature baby!!!!!

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Beautiful! As usual...

I'm familiar with both a natural amber and a clear shellac available at the local Home Depot. Do you prefer one over the other, or does it depend on the wood species? Also, is it really just straight shellac you're using, or some proprietary blend that you're probably not willing to divulge?
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:38 PM
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That's just off the hook badass looking.

Is the dust from this wood more harmful than other woods?
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Old 02-13-2015, 08:45 PM
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Some nice gold hardware to to finish her up? Yummy :-)
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Old 02-13-2015, 09:31 PM
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Beautiful drum shell KIS! Looking forward to seeing the finished product!
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Old 02-13-2015, 11:30 PM
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Beautiful! As usual...

I'm familiar with both a natural amber and a clear shellac available at the local Home Depot. Do you prefer one over the other, or does it depend on the wood species? Also, is it really just straight shellac you're using, or some proprietary blend that you're probably not willing to divulge?
Happy to tell you :) We use Fiddes bleached shellac. It's not completely clear, no true shellac ever is, but it's much lighter than the standard amber stuff. Fides is over double the cost of standard trade shellac, but it's worth it. We pay around 80 / $120 for a 5 litre container.

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That's just off the hook badass looking.

Is the dust from this wood more harmful than other woods?
Oh yes, & some! This is the stuff I mentioned in my thread about dangerous wood dust in drum building. It's properly nasty. Working shells in full PPE isn't fun, but with this stuff, it's essential. I'll see if the better half has time to take a picture of me at work on these shells tomorrow. I'm doing bearing edges.

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Some nice gold hardware to to finish her up? Yummy :-)
Erm - nah, it has to be chrome :)

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Absolutely gorgeous! Can't wait to see the finished product.
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Old 02-14-2015, 12:51 AM
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That's going to be a really nice table.

I want one for my living room.

(beautiful shell _ are you going to use your trademark hardware on it?)
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Old 02-14-2015, 01:14 AM
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Absolutely gorgeous! Can't wait to see the finished product.
Thank you :) Me too!

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That's going to be a really nice table.

I want one for my living room.

(beautiful shell _ are you going to use your trademark hardware on it?)
Cheeky ;)

Yes, these are lightweight In-Tense series shells & will have the full ultralight lug design plus all the usual In-Tense series refinements.
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Old 02-14-2015, 09:24 AM
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That is beautiful!

I rarely do any woodworking nowadays, but I know the feeling you get once you get to the stage where you've brought the grain/surface of the wood to life like that... Love it!

Please, do not apologize for posting something like this ;)
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Old 02-14-2015, 09:27 PM
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That is beautiful!

I rarely do any woodworking nowadays, but I know the feeling you get once you get to the stage where you've brought the grain/surface of the wood to life like that... Love it!

Please, do not apologize for posting something like this ;)
Yes, after ages getting down through the grits, that first wipe of shellac. It's the big reveal! You've got an idea of how it will look from past experiences with the species, but there's always a surprise in there from mother nature. A little present that just says "well done lad"!
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Old 02-14-2015, 10:05 PM
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You could also make it nice shiny Piano black . . . . . . (hides face in hands).
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Old 02-15-2015, 12:51 AM
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You could also make it nice shiny Piano black . . . . . . (hides face in hands).
Some black stain & a love of poly coat = job done. We'll leave that to the guys who major on finishes ;)
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That will look stunning when all finished up. That wood texture is incredibly intense and beautiful.
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Old 02-15-2015, 10:57 AM
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That will look stunning when all finished up. That wood texture is incredibly intense and beautiful.
Thank you, & beautiful indeed, but I've just had a really annoying moment this morning. The masking tape I used for marking has affected the last shellac layer, so I've got to sand again & refinish with a new final shellac layer. On 7 shells, that's a bummer :(
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Old 02-15-2015, 02:36 PM
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Gj, well done, nice snare shell!
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Old 02-15-2015, 02:43 PM
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Thank you, & beautiful indeed, but I've just had a really annoying moment this morning. The masking tape I used for marking has affected the last shellac layer, so I've got to sand again & refinish with a new final shellac layer. On 7 shells, that's a bummer :(
Ack! No matter how long you do something, mistakes still happen, right? You can bet this is the last time THAT particular mistake will happen again, right Andy?

Seven drums. Not just one. Seven. See now if I was closer, I'd pop over and help you.

You should consider moving Guru to someplace where I can get to you guys in 10 minutes or less.
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Old 02-15-2015, 04:51 PM
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Ack! No matter how long you do something, mistakes still happen, right? You can bet this is the last time THAT particular mistake will happen again, right Andy?

Seven drums. Not just one. Seven. See now if I was closer, I'd pop over and help you.

You should consider moving Guru to someplace where I can get to you guys in 10 minutes or less.
Just in for a coffee break now. I can't take more than 2-3 hours in that suit & mask, it's just too damn uncomfortable, especially when doing bearing edges.

I used a new supply of masking tape Larry. Never had this issue before. Maybe the glue is a touch stronger, I dunno, it's a PITA though :( These are probably the most time & effort consuming snares I've built. Hard stuff to machine too.

Might be easier to move you here Larry :)

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Thank you :) Pictures up when finished.
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Old 02-15-2015, 07:25 PM
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That looks awesome!!!!!!

What's the price tag to do a project like this?

I may have to try it sometime
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Absolutely stunning. I had a bass guitar made out of Pau Ferro a while back and it was the best looking solid body I'd ever seen.

Amazing work on your drums.
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:36 AM
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...stunning!...thanks for posting...reminds me of the sonor bubinga veneers, but on steriods...
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:04 AM
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What's the price tag to do a project like this?

I may have to try it sometime
Thanks :) What do you mean by price tag? Do you mean the cost of doing it yourself, or the cost of buying it as a finished instrument? In either scenario, a lot depends on the quality of board you source, & the hardware used (an In-Tense build demands the use of very specific lightweight lugs), but also be prepared for a lot of hard work, some considerable skill, good shop facilities, & working in full PPE.

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Absolutely stunning. I had a bass guitar made out of Pau Ferro a while back and it was the best looking solid body I'd ever seen.

Amazing work on your drums.
Thank you. Pau ferro has often been used for fretboards, sometimes acoustic guitar back & sides, & occasionally in solid body guitars. In all cases, the initial motivation was replacement (both sonically & visually) of Brazilian Rosewood (quite rightly - CITES banned list)

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...stunning!...thanks for posting...reminds me of the sonor bubinga veneers, but on steriods...
Thanks :) Sound is certainly on steroids. 6mm stave shell delivers beautifully in full In-Tense specification. It's a tough build though. I'm back over to the workshop now after spending all weekend on the shells (much to the delight of my better half :(
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:31 AM
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Absolutely magnificent...

... but be careful with all these teaser's threads Andy, I know where you live.

... I might be tempted by a night trip while you're sleeping.

... err, do you actually sleep?

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... I might be tempted by a night trip while you're sleeping.
I'm away for a couple of days as of tomorrow, so now's your chance :) (once you've got past the 3 locked doors, the security system, the dogs, & most intimidating of all - my wife!)

These photo's of one of the finished snares won't help matters ;) ;) ;)
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Interesting that you drilled the lugs right at the seam between each stave. Isn't that technically the weakest point in the entire construction? I would think for strength purposes you would want to drill right in the middle of each stave. But sonically that may be less preferred than at the glue line.
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One more quick question. Are you having your lugs chromed, or are those polished aluminium? I think I know the answer to this, but they do look awfully shiny for polished aluminum.
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That's a beautiful snare. Do you seal the inside wood or is it sanded to a smooth finish? Is there a recording of this snare on the Guru site? I also note most of these stave snares are pretty deep is there any particular reason?
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That's a beautiful snare. Do you seal the inside wood or is it sanded to a smooth finish? Is there a recording of this snare on the Guru site? I also note most of these stave snares are pretty deep is there any particular reason?
Sorry, no recordings of this specific run of drums. I only completed this first one this morning :)
The inside is sanded, but not smooth. That's a deliberate decision on this specific build. We vary the inside finish of our drums depending on the design, wood species, & the desired outcome.

Depths - this just happens to be a 14" x 7". In this one off batch, we're making 14" x 5.75" & 13" x 7" too. We find 7" works especially well with our 13" snares compared to the more shallow options. Again, all depends on the series & many other factors.

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Interesting that you drilled the lugs right at the seam between each stave. Isn't that technically the weakest point in the entire construction? I would think for strength purposes you would want to drill right in the middle of each stave. But sonically that may be less preferred than at the glue line.
Done right, those seams should be as strong if not stronger than the solid wood. Our lug design, & specifically our unique mounting arrangement, places almost no strain on the shell, even though the footprint is so small.

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One more quick question. Are you having your lugs chromed, or are those polished aluminium? I think I know the answer to this, but they do look awfully shiny for polished aluminum.
Yes, triple chrome plated. Chroming aluminium isn't easy, so you need a plater who specialises in that process.

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Thanks Andy great info-especially about the inside shell (I've always wondered why Gretsch uses the silver paint and some seal their drums with teak oil then other really rough or sanded smooth). I agree with the 13 in and the deeper shell really suits it well. You've been busy-keep up the good work. I can't wait till you get around to a recording. Making all these choices makes it more difficult for me personally though-I like it simple the more choices the more indecision and second guessing myself occurs-I'll just have to start collecting them all LOL.
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Old 02-16-2015, 08:09 PM
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I think I may tackle somethin of the sort myself is what I was saying. Always been interested in making a snare.

I was more or less wondering the price of hardware..

I can dedicate time and dedication.

My skill won't be nearly as good gotta learn somewhere.


That thing is an absolute beauty!
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Old 02-16-2015, 09:14 PM
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Hardware is expensive. Custom made stuff like Guru's is even more expensive. You can do hardware cheaper by using the common Asian made pot metal stuff at drum factory direct or some of the other builder's websites. You can also buy donor drums and strip its hardware. It still ends up being expensive. If you are looking just at raw material to build a drum (exclude your time and tools you may need, etc.), budget 1/2-2/3rds the price of the final drum for hardware.
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Old 02-16-2015, 11:18 PM
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What an exquisite snare drum Andy. Someone is going to be very fortunate indeed to own and play this drum.
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Old 02-17-2015, 12:56 AM
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That would be an good idea. i guess. Buy a used drum. strip it and build one to the same size.

This thing is beautiful. I think I won't bother trying because I could not make one nearly as nice as this.
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Old 02-17-2015, 01:50 AM
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What a drool-worthy craftmaship...

Definitely a paroduct of creativity, passion, dedication and hard work.

Congratulations...

(I'm still drooling over the pictures...)
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