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Old 08-30-2008, 04:01 AM
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Default The ddrum Diablo Punx has arrived!

As some of you may know, I am trading my PDP 805 with Drummersword, for his ddrum Diablo Punx set.

It came today!

I haven't memorized the specs, but here are some pics and video of me setting it up.

I also haven't decided on how I want to set it up with my current kit. The bass drum sounds terrible, so I'm gonna use my Export for bass until I can get the ddrum tuned better (via drumdial, once I buy it). The floor toms are good (very light!) and the rack toms are pretty high pitched, great to contrast with my Export toms. However, they have weird proprietary mounts, so it's hard to mount them.

My favorite part is the side snare. It's awesome! It just snaps and cracks!















Video and more pics coming soon!


PS: Tell me this isn't the most Frankenstein kit you've ever seen.
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:11 AM
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looks good man! congrats.

ps. not the most frankenstein kit ive ever seen...
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:21 AM
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looks good man! congrats.

ps. not the most frankenstein kit ive ever seen...
Alright, just wondering, haha.

Thanks!
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:45 AM
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I've seen many more time worst. It's very OK ;-)

I'm sure that Pete have taken good care of that punx. For the fun of it swap your SK to the punx BD and tell us the difference between both kick (ie. export).
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:49 AM
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what wood is the ddrum made of?
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Old 08-30-2008, 10:51 AM
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do u get sumthin new every week? first pdp 805 then export and now this? in about a month?
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well I did the searching, and if your kit is like the new ones its basswood through and through.


Why dont you try tuning the bass drum without the drumdial.
Trust me itll be better to practice tuning by ear.
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Old 08-30-2008, 12:06 PM
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i hate that blue hardware, but if it works for you.....
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:39 PM
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...you traded your birch 805 for that basswood punx set?
ah, the young and fresh minds these days.
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Well, you know, guys, I'm not really sure. Did I make a bad move? I mean, the color of the drums, I admit, it's not...very....status quo. I'd really like a good, consistent drum set, where all the drums are the same, and there's no mixing and matching. My semi-local music shop will buy drums for half the original price, but I just realized that my PDP is worth more than the ddrums. That's correct, right?
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I think the name "Punx" would have been my first clue.
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I think the name "Punx" would have been my first clue.
What are you saying? Is the 805 a better kit?
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Old 08-30-2008, 04:37 PM
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I would save the money on the drum dial, I would save the money on what it cost to ship the PDP set, and put all of it toward a better set. Appearance is a personal thing but IMO nothing looks cheaper than those mixed color drum and hardware sets. Thats not to say that gold plated looks bad but painted to me looks terrible. And again just basswood is not the best you could have done. You now have a mixed bunch of drums that you will have a lot od trouble trying to sell if you ever want to upgrade. Imagine what that would look like on eBay or Craigslist.
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well, the punx is the lowest level of ddrums besides the D2 or something like that...

you can make them sound nice....i have old CB's that are pieces of crap, and people compliment me on how nice they sound...

and i think you should just use all the ddrum's. dont mix and match them....it looks very, very bad...

and learn how to tune...if you rely on a drumdial for it, you'll never learn...and learn now...your young, it will help you out...

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I would save the money on the drum dial, I would save the money on what it cost to ship the PDP set, and put all of it toward a better set. Appearance is a personal thing but IMO nothing looks cheaper than those mixed color drum and hardware sets. Thats not to say that gold plated looks bad but painted to me looks terrible. And again just basswood is not the best you could have done. You now have a mixed bunch of drums that you will have a lot od trouble trying to sell if you ever want to upgrade. Imagine what that would look like on eBay or Craigslist.
Well, since I'm trading, I either have to send my 805 away (sans snare) or the ddrums back. Whichever I don't send away, and decide to keep, I would probably trade them at a local store that will either give you half the cash you paid for them, or trade them for something else used, which is what I would do.

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well, the punx is the lowest level of ddrums besides the D2 or something like that...

you can make them sound nice....i have old CB's that are pieces of crap, and people compliment me on how nice they sound...

and i think you should just use all the ddrum's. dont mix and match them....it looks very, very bad...

and learn how to tune...if you rely on a drumdial for it, you'll never learn...and learn now...your young, it will help you out...

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Wow, I wish I would've known this before...I feel bad sending them back...but it looks like I should....

And about the drumdial...I can't tune. I don't care about learning how to tune. I just want to make my drums sound good.
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:15 PM
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I don't care about learning how to tune. I just want to make my drums sound good.
you never will learn how to tune with that atitude....i wish they would have never made the drum dial, everone needs to know how to tune...

its not hard...look it up on youtube, and experiment....

ITS NOT HARD!! just takes time and practice(what doesnt)

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you never will learn how to tune with that atitude....i wish they would have never made the drum dial, everone needs to know how to tune...

its not hard...look it up on youtube, and experiment....

ITS NOT HARD!! just takes time and practice(what doesnt)

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Alright, fine, but about the drums! I just don't know...
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Should I send the ddrums back or trade the PDPs? I feel really bad about sending them back, but they weren't what I thought they were.
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Old 08-30-2008, 05:57 PM
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OK, dude, here's what's up. In order, from worst to best, your kits are:

Pearl Export
DDrum Punx
PDP 805

Now, if it comes down to having a Frankenkit set up between the Pearl and PDP, or just having one kit that looks nice and together in the Punx, I'd say keep the Punx, sell the Export, and send off the 805s per the deal you made. As I'm sure you have learned between the five threads about all of this, most people do not like Frankenkits, and they also have a very low sale value...most stores won't buy them at all, and good luck selling one on eBay or Craig's List or getting a trade like you did for the 805s.

Now, one important point...you agreed to this trade. If you send the Punx back, not only do you have to pay for that shipping, but you owe Drummersword for the shipping that he spent to send the Punx to you.

Once you make a deal, it's crap to pull out of it (once it's shipped, etc). You REALLY need to settle down. Research the gear you are looking at getting. Come on here and ask people about it. This has been your problem the whole time. You got all excited when you got your Exports and moved away from the 805s...and you got ripped on for downgrading. Then you agreed to trade your 805s for the Punx, even though the 805s are a better kit, by far. You tell people that wood type isn't really important, which is just false. You could have avoided all of these mistakes by just coming on here and learning, asking people before you make moves, etc. Had you looked around here, you would know that Pearl Export is considered pretty much the worst line by a "real" drum maker (as opposed to CB, etc), you would know that basswood drums aren't as good as birch, etc. Stop making impulse buys, trades, etc, and start doing research before you make a move.

Most people on here will ask people what they think about different drums...research them on numerous sites...go and play them (or at least the same series)...discuss set-up options and head options...and THEN decide if they move. It's one of the best things about this site.

One final thought...if you do decide to keep the 805s, just try using a snare stand to mount your rack tom to the left of your bass drum, and you might be able to reach it better.
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Should I send the ddrums back or trade the PDPs? I feel really bad about sending them back, but they weren't what I thought they were.
This is your fault, not his. Again, if you send it back, you owe him the money he spent shipping it to you. He didn't trick you or anything, you just agreed without doing any research.
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And about the drumdial...I can't tune. I don't care about learning how to tune. I just want to make my drums sound good.

If you can't hear to tune your drums, how do know when they sound good?
The drum dial will give you the relative tension of the head but it won't tell you if they sound good. Train your ear. It will take time but well worth the effort.
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This is your fault, not his. Again, if you send it back, you owe him the money he spent shipping it to you. He didn't trick you or anything, you just agreed without doing any research.
Yes, I know. If I did that, I would without a doubt reimburse him completely.

All I want is a nice, long-lasting kit that I won't want to sell in a couple weeks. In order to get that, (and trust me, I will consult drummerworld before purchasing), I need money.

Now, I have two options to get money. Should I follow through on the trade, and sell the ddrums and pearl exports? Never mind that it's Frankenstein, a local music shop called Atomic Music will buy anything for half of the original price, and the Exports (bass, two toms) for $150 because I bought it there.

Or should I send the ddrums back, reimburse drumsword, and sell the Exports and the 805s?

Which would be of more value?
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He may be looking forward to what you PROMISED him. Yo have to man up and go thru with the trade, reimbursement or not. You offered him your drums, you have to ship them to him. You have the boxes he sent you. pack them up and send them on their way. And I wouldn't bother trying to trade with anyone else on this site again.
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Believe me when I say that I understand what you're thinking and doing. I was the same way man. If you really want to be satisfied, here are three things I'd suggest:

1. Learn patience, and be able to appreciate what you have and how to make it sound the best.
2. Get used to the saying "Having is not such a pleasing thing as wanting."
3. Save up, and make calculated purchases. You can get a kit that is all you'll ever need for less than $800-1000. There are so many options out there, you really need to see and hear things in person, and take the time to fiddle with each kit before knowing for sure that it's going to have the sound you want.


The best thing is that research for buying our kind of gear is the best kind of research! Bring on the Drum Porn!
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Yes, I know. If I did that, I would without a doubt reimburse him completely.

All I want is a nice, long-lasting kit that I won't want to sell in a couple weeks. In order to get that, (and trust me, I will consult drummerworld before purchasing), I need money.

Now, I have two options to get money. Should I follow through on the trade, and sell the ddrums and pearl exports? Never mind that it's Frankenstein, a local music shop called Atomic Music will buy anything for half of the original price, and the Exports (bass, two toms) for $150 because I bought it there.

Or should I send the ddrums back, reimburse drumsword, and sell the Exports and the 805s?

Which would be of more value?
The most value, financially, would be to keep the 805s. If you need to sell all your stuff again, the most value, financially, would be to sell the 805s and the Exports.

However, there is more than financial value here. We are a community. You made a deal, and I'm with Gruntersdad, here. You agreed to get rid of your 805s, and you will lose a lot of cred here if you don't go through with it. You might not think that matters, but there are a lot of people that post good deals on here, etc, and you will take crap about it for some time.

Also, you have to ask yourself what's right to do, as a person. You made a deal. What's your word worth? Only you can determine that.
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Dang, I wake up at 10 and all you east coast guys have already taken the good insights.


+2 Gruntersdad

You made the deal, and you should stick with it,
you dont have to but it would be _____ thing to do to back out now.

You should have researched before hand, or even ask the forum if it was a good trade.




Let me reiterate LEARN TO TUNE,
I know its not the funnest part of drumming but trust me playing on well tuned drums well just make you want to practice that much more,
so it is well worth the trouble.




I know when started out i knew nothing about drums, other than i had Pearl Forum series. and some ZIldjian ZXT cymbals.
I was happy with these and thought they were the greatest things ever, mostly because thats all I knew.

Moral of the story learn about gear, learn about drumsets, learn about cymbals, learn about the wood, learn about different heads.
STUDY.STUDY.STUDY

set a goal for yourself and find out what you want. then save up your money for that goal.
Stay away from impulsive gear purchases, even with sticks. trust me.

Sorry for my rant, but thats what I think.






p.s. And if you ever get the gear itch just come on the forum and check out other peoples sets. tizzdizz has the amazing set of today for me.
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I'm learning about drum gear from all this, seriously.

And about tuning...that's another topic for another day.

But I quote, from a message from drumsword: "I'd be willing to ship my set out first with an e-mail or fax from somoene stating that upon reciept of my drums your's would be shipped to me, or mine back if you didn't like them."

I know it's not the most classy thing to do, but I don't have anything else valuable. Most of you here are lucky enough to have super-duper awesome kits, and anything extra, you do whatever with.

And I promise...any future purchases will be run through here first!
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Cool beans. Its pretty cool with all the colors.
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What are you saying? Is the 805 a better kit?
I think almost everyone was telling you that from the start. Learn how to make your kit sound it's best, and you won't be wanting to trade for this and that all the time. Proper heads and tuning technique will take you far. Enjoy the new kit!
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I've heard great things about the Gretsch Renown Maple, is that a kit worth saving up for, and keeping?
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I've heard great things about the Gretsch Renown Maple, is that a kit worth saving up for, and keeping?
Yes for a little over one grand the renown maple is an awesome set.

You could get a Catalina Maple for less than a grand, and Ive heard good things about that too.

Again dont get ahead of yourself. Go drum.
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Geeze, where to start.

If the agreement was that you can return the drums that would probably be your best option. the Pacifics are worth more than the ddrums. As long as you don't burn the bridge with Drumsword.

If you return the ddrums you're back to square one.

Now what to do? Since the 24 inch kick is too big for you and combining the PDPs and exports isn't a very good option I'd see what the market will bear and try to trade in or sell both the PDPs and the Exports. Keep your hardware.

The Grestch kits are a lot of bang for the buck. Look carefully at the shell packs and you'll be needing a snare as well. Find a kit that suits your needs and stick with it.

Spend some time exploring the options. You can play the frankie kit while your deciding on what type of kit you're going to go with.

My advice would be to take a time out and think things out. You're been very impulsive and haven't gained any ground. In fact you'll lose money on shipping the ddrums back and forth. Slow down!
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When I was young, and got my first set, I did everything I could to make my drums sound good. I spent alot of time at the local mom & pops store and asked questions. The owner of that store actually gave me great tips on tuning, and actual hands-on experience. Nowadays, you have this awesome tool in the internet and drum forums. So, use this awesome tool, ask questions, and fall in love with the SEARCH button. Now, this internet thing can also be evil (lol), in that these young guys see all these awesome drum sets posted and several members, who shall remain nameless, lol, trading in sets, or selling, every other month, or week.
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Do what you feel is best, then take your time deciding on your next move. Now, whatever drums you decide on keeping, I would learn to tune them, and PRACTICE. Learning to play the drums better is the most important thing right now, instead of flipping gear.
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Geeze, where to start.

If the agreement was that you can return the drums that would probably be your best option. the Pacifics are worth more than the ddrums. As long as you don't burn the bridge with Drumsword.

If you return the ddrums you're back to square one.

Now what to do? Since the 24 inch kick is too big for you and combining the PDPs and exports isn't a very good option I'd see what the market will bear and try to trade in or sell both the PDPs and the Exports. Keep your hardware.

The Grestch kits are a lot of bang for the buck. Look carefully at the shell packs and you'll be needing a snare as well. Find a kit that suits your needs and stick with it.

Spend some time exploring the options. You can play the frankie kit while your deciding on what type of kit you're going to go with.

My advice would be to take a time out and think things out. You're been very impulsive and haven't gained any ground. In fact you'll lose money on shipping the ddrums back and forth. Slow down!
I haven't worked out something about the ddrums yet, but I'm probably gonna end up shipping them back. I know, I'll lose some money. But if I trade in my PDP, I could get a pretty nice set at Atomic Music. The thing is, I can't consult you guys on my purchase, because it's so far away from my house, I can't go back and forth--it takes about an hour to get there.

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When I was young, and got my first set, I did everything I could to make my drums sound good. I spent alot of time at the local mom & pops store and asked questions. The owner of that store actually gave me great tips on tuning, and actual hands-on experience. Nowadays, you have this awesome tool in the internet and drum forums. So, use this awesome tool, ask questions, and fall in love with the SEARCH button. Now, this internet thing can also be evil (lol), in that these young guys see all these awesome drum sets posted and several members, who shall remain nameless, lol, trading in sets, or selling, every other month, or week.
805 drummer,
Do what you feel is best, then take your time deciding on your next move. Now, whatever drums you decide on keeping, I would learn to tune them, and PRACTICE. Learning to play the drums better is the most important thing right now, instead of flipping gear.
I know, I know, I should have consulted the forum on this trade. I just didn't want to make Drumsword feel like I was skeptical of the purchase. Well now I know it was a dumb thing to do. So once everything is back to normal (I'll have the Export and PDP), I'll practice a lot, and maybe even set the PDP back up to see if it's more playable to me now.

And you know what the great thing is? Since I'm Jewish, a bunch of bar mitzvahs are coming up, and I am going to be a paid videographer for some of them. Money=Drums! =)
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Well, you know, guys, I'm not really sure. Did I make a bad move? I mean, the color of the drums, I admit, it's not...very....status quo. I'd really like a good, consistent drum set, where all the drums are the same, and there's no mixing and matching. My semi-local music shop will buy drums for half the original price, but I just realized that my PDP is worth more than the ddrums. That's correct, right?
yes you made a bad move. I have played two punx sets and they were the worst drums I had ever played. Granted I was playing a jazz gig, and they are by no means jazz drums, and I was not allowed to tinker/tune them at all.
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yes you made a bad move. I have played two punx sets and they were the worst drums I had ever played. Granted I was playing a jazz gig, and they are by no means jazz drums, and I was not allowed to tinker/tune them at all.
Wow. Jazz on those? Wow.
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The thing is, I can't consult you guys on my purchase, because it's so far away from my house, I can't go back and forth--it takes about an hour to get there.
Is this the place?

http://www.atomicmusiconline.com/

Also check out musicians freind. There's a ton of on line retailers with huge inventories and competitive pricing.
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Believe me when I say that I understand what you're thinking and doing. I was the same way man. If you really want to be satisfied, here are three things I'd suggest:

1. Learn patience, and be able to appreciate what you have and how to make it sound the best.
2. Get used to the saying "Having is not such a pleasing thing as wanting."
3. Save up, and make calculated purchases. You can get a kit that is all you'll ever need for less than $800-1000. There are so many options out there, you really need to see and hear things in person, and take the time to fiddle with each kit before knowing for sure that it's going to have the sound you want.


The best thing is that research for buying our kind of gear is the best kind of research! Bring on the Drum Porn!

I agree. The first drumset I ever saved up for took me months, and I was 11 years old, I'm 19 now. Don't rush to buy a drumset, be sure you really get what you want. And ALWAYS try the drums out before you buy them. There's no doubt that you made a mistake by not doing any research before you went through with the trade, but you can always learn from your mistakes. Just take your time and really save up for what you want, even if it takes months, as it did for me.
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Not a fan on that! but thats just my opinion...
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and cant you call them ahead of time?

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