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Old 08-28-2008, 11:52 PM
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Default I Got The Powah! (Toms) - Ludwig B/O Vintage Super Classic

Who doesn't love a hot blond with a lot of bottom?

It's that time of the month, I got a new kit. I actually traded up my Champagne Sparkle Classic Maple kit for this behemoth. They've got a huge sound and were obviously built to project...*very* thick shells. I need to figure out how to tune (and/or a new head combination) to warm them up a bit. The kick drum is a cannon...it's got "sperm-neutralizing punch". I believe they're late 70's or early 80's but perhaps LVDC or Bermuda can fill me in?

The lacquer is flaking off near the edges but I knew that ahead of time and got a great deal on eBay. I plan to sand the rest of it off and re-lacquer them soon. These will be my workhorse, gigging drums. Stay tuned next month to see the kit that *won't* leave the house! ;)

16"x22" BD
16"x16" FT
11"x12" TT
12"x13" TT (not using)
7"x13" Pork Pie Brass Patina Snare (details here)

Toms outfitted w/ Coated G2s over Clear G1s, EQ1 batter on kick w/ EMAD reso, and Genera Dry w/ Hazy 300 on the snare.

The cymbal setup I'm sportin' these days is:

21" HHX Groove Ride
13" Fierce Hats
17" HHX Evolution Crash
19" Fierce Crash
10" Paragon Splash
20" Paragon Chinese
7" Alu Bell
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:54 AM
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very nice!
i looooove the woodgrain.....
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:12 AM
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Are you a fan of the group SNAP! ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33tH-JdPDg

...ooooooohhhhhhh yeeeeaaaaahhhh!
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:25 AM
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Ah yes, some of my "favorite" drums...in my "favorite" finish. Love that Natural Maple. Thermo-gloss, is what Ludwig called it, I think. I'd venture to say "vintage 80's". Your B/O badges have the rounded corners. The Vistalites I special ordered in 1980 had the pointy corners. Virgin kick, gotta love that. Gotta love the whole kit, actually. Congrats.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:38 AM
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I had a Sonor S Class in natural and a Phonic bass drum in natural. Very nice steal on those babies. Try Attack Drum Heads, 2 ply clear mediums with sustain ring, they will be warm and deep with lots of projection.
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Old 08-29-2008, 01:42 AM
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Man that kit is beautiful. I'm sure you will get lots of compliments in the future if these are gonna be your working drums. Have fun with these beauties.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:02 AM
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WOW! This month's drum kit is great!
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:45 AM
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Wowow thats nice!

I've probably asked before...but how do you like that groove ride?
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:50 AM
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Nice buy, but you know a 24" kick would have been perfect!

Can't wait to see your up and coming "house" kit.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:29 AM
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Are you a fan of the group SNAP! ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33tH-JdPDg

...ooooooohhhhhhh yeeeeaaaaahhhh!
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:31 AM
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Ah yes, some of my "favorite" drums...in my "favorite" finish. Love that Natural Maple. Thermo-gloss, is what Ludwig called it, I think. I'd venture to say "vintage 80's". Your B/O badges have the rounded corners. The Vistalites I special ordered in 1980 had the pointy corners. Virgin kick, gotta love that. Gotta love the whole kit, actually. Congrats.
Yeah, I forgot to mention the magical Mr. Conway - I knew you would know something about these drums. I figured the rounded corners on the badge would provide a hint...I didn't see any others, just pointy ones.

I love it too, thanks! It's amazing how cheap these kits are going on the 'bay.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:32 AM
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Wowow thats nice!

I've probably asked before...but how do you like that groove ride?
The Groove Ride is killer...nice spread....nice ping...just washy enough to work almost anywhere.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:48 AM
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Very nice! Almost looks like your champaign sparkle kit on HGH. They look beautiful and must sound huge. One thing: Your kick is screaming for a white head!
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:51 AM
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Your kick is screaming for a white head!
I know...I agree. I threw these Evans heads on there since I had them laying around. I'll probably put a coated ambo on there like my champagne sparkle had on it...sharp!
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:28 AM
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Beautiful! I love early 80s Ludwigs, plus that finish is just gorgeous. Nice score!
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:41 AM
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Ok so you dood it again, Vin! ( you're falling in the category of repeat offender )

Holy crap, that's IS beautiful..and that DOES look like a powerful kit. I love the specs on the 11"x12".

Like the way you have it configured it too.

Enjoy it while it last ; ).. ( would love to hear sound files of this baby )
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:17 AM
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Haha! Only a matter of time until the wise asses show up (though DMC got a jab in early). Abe - I'm incurable. There's only one thing that's gonna slow me down and it's on the way (I think?)

I might actually learn how to play if I stick w/ a single kit for more than a few months.

I'll try to do some sound-clips once I get them tuned in the somewhat uncrappy range. They sound OK but need some tweaks.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:28 AM
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WOW! That kit is in amazing condition! Congrats on the buy. And the 13-16 combination is my favorite to use when using a 4 piece kit--very sonically compatible.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:37 AM
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WOW! That kit is in amazing condition! Congrats on the buy. And the 13-16 combination is my favorite to use when using a 4 piece kit--very sonically compatible.
I thought about that but the 13" is another inch taller...and that 12" is already awkwardly crammed into place. I don't like it that far out in left-field. Maybe I'll throw the 13" down to the left of my hats?

So much power yet so little capacity to handle it!
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:48 AM
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Here's a clip of me awkwardly warming up on the kit tonight - snares off.

I'd like them to sustain a little more - the tone is good, I'm happy there. They're just not warm enough yet.

The kick actually sounds much bigger and fatter - I have the volume way too low on that mic, on this clip.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:58 AM
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That sounds good man! I like how the power toms sound.
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Old 08-29-2008, 11:26 AM
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Sounds not bad at all....... good left foot independence..
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She's a beaut, good playing as well. Sounds like they've found a good home.
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Great looking kit, nice cymbals! what kind of music do you play? How do those fierce hats sound?
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:07 PM
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Thanks guys. I was window shopping today and I might try a heavier 1-ply clear head on the resos...I think that might bring out a little more of what these drums are capable of.

tiffany - I'd say I was a rock drummer trying to impersonate as many other styles as possible. I play in a jazz/fusion group that has a serious identity crisis...it's fun anyhow. I'm trying to fire up another rock group along the alternative/prog lines.

The Fierce Hats are awesome...loud and..well...fierce...yet dark, dry, and controllable, partly due to the 13" size. Very easy to play.
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Beautiful looking kit and some great cymbals! You`ve got the Fierce hats and a Fierce crash? That`s awesome, I love the sound character of those. Trashy, complex and the hi-hat sounds very dry. How do you like the crash? And where did you get them?

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Beautiful looking kit and some great cymbals! You`ve got the Fierce hats and a Fierce crash? That`s awesome, I love the sound character of those. Trashy, complex and the hi-hat sounds very dry. How do you like the crash? And where did you get them?

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Good playing Vinnie!!!

Kit sounds good.

But my favorite part of your kit is the METAL flame pillow in the bass drum. That rocks!!

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Good playing Vinnie!!!

Kit sounds good.

But my favorite part of your kit is the METAL flame pillow in the bass drum. That rocks!!

Good score!!
Yeah! The flames actually make my foot go faster! That's my kid's pillow, I yanked it out of his BD last night because mine isn't done yet, it's on the way. I got glow in the dark stars for mine...less metal...more space.
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The one that won't leave the house, you mean this one...
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The one that won't leave the house, you mean this one...
Its amazing that Frank (Unix) can make an entire stave kit with only a hand plane, tape measure, and pencil. What an artist. Very nice looking drums Vinnie.
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That kit is the HIT...NICE, looks good, sounds good...ENVY is deep within me at this moment...WOW what a beautiful kit, I want the first rights if you decide to let them go...have not heard anyone else put that out there...ROFL

Congratulations on that deal...very nice...love those ludwigs!
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The one that won't leave the house, you mean this one...
Ahhh MAN bringin out the wood like that is a MAJOR....M A J O R tease!!! You do awesome work!
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The one that won't leave the house, you mean this one...
Well it was supposed to be a surprise...but...yep!

Though I'm not sure I can get a lot of tone out of a bunch of wooden planks?
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Nice kit.. My favorite 'Wigs are the 6-plies.. Let me know if you ever want to put RIMS on those toms....
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I'm not sure I can get a lot of tone out of a bunch of wooden planks?
Um, my marimba would like a word with you, outside...
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Point taken. Find me some 4ft. long mallets, weighing at least 50 lbs. each...and I'm good to go.
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Alright folks, I'm looking for some advice here. I just *cannot* get the sound I want out of these monster power toms. They definitely don't sound like their appearance. The kick and the floor tom sound fantastic...I've got 'em where I want 'em. The 12" and the 13" just sound bad to me. They're round and the edges are flawless...they just sound "funny".

The note is very short and their tuning range is extremely limited. The hoops are a bit bent but seem to work fine but I'm not sure it's the hoops.

What do I do to make these puppies warm up and sustain longer? I've tried both coated and clear G2s over G1s. Is it totally outrageous to use G2s over G2s? Would that be pointless? I heard a story about guys sanding the interiors of the drums to warm them up...how about that?

I played w/ the band last night and the 12" couldn't even cut through the music...the rest of the kit performed wonderfully.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:55 AM
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My experience with power toms (Tama 80's Superstars) is that they sounded better with 1-ply coated heads. I tried everything on them, and found that the coated G1's over clear 1-plys were the best. I don't know if this will be the case with the Luddies, but you can try.
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