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Old 08-18-2008, 07:08 PM
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Which are better. The evens e-rings, or moongel. I've heard a lot of critisism for the e-rings, but not so much the moongel.
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:12 PM
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moongel. you can adjust the damping much better with moongels, add a little there, take some off there.
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:42 PM
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Which are better. The eavens e-rings, or moongel. I've heard a lot of critisism for the e-rings, but not so much the moongel.

Niether, both have this really annoying muffling effect on drums and keep you from hearing the actual sound of your kit...

(Obviously I like a little resonance)
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:44 PM
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I prefrer dampening rings much more. But its just opinion.
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I just got some of the Moon Gel things after hearing so much about them. I usually do not muffle drums at all, but I've been doing some small jazz venues and a bit of dampening would be nice. One little square of the this stuff will dampen the drum enough without killing the playability of the drum like rings. (btw, if you ever want to make 'rings' of your own, take a razor to an old drum head before you get rid of it, it's mylar, fits the drums, and you don't have to pay for it) Of course the effect of the moongel depends on the heads as well. I noticed comparing the effects on EC2s compared with G1s. Moon Gel plus 'dampened' heads equals a pretty dead sound unless the drum is 16" or bigger. However on my other kit with g2s/g1s with 13,16,18 toms it works nicely. (It's great for when I use my 18" tom as a bass) It's great because you can just take them off, move them around, etc. for different songs. Unlike rings they last longer, rings can get crumpled or whatnot, these things just are gooey little squares. Wash them with soap and water, dry them and they are sticky and ready to go again like new (that is if they collect enough dust to stop being sticky) These also work for other stuff like cowbells, blocks, or other things you may need a controlled sound for
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Old 08-22-2008, 04:52 AM
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wait, you can wash them and they'll still be sticky afterwards? thats awesome! never knew that, think im gonna clean mine right now, they've been quite dirty.
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Old 08-22-2008, 07:40 AM
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Which are better. The evens e-rings, or moongel. I've heard a lot of critisism for the e-rings, but not so much the moongel.
It really depends on the sound that you are going for....moon gel adjusts some of the ring out of the drum - maybe just some of the annoying (if any) overtones. E-rings are going to dampen most of the overtones out the drum, giving a fat sound. I have always been a fan of the tom sounds on Bryan Adams' early records and I think that this may have included muffling in the form of the E-ring, precursor - cut the outer edge off of an old drumhead and tape it to the head.


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I was moving my set one day and just so happens I put my Moongels in my "toolbox" that day which ended up going in the back of my truck. I think they were in the bed of my truck for about 4 maybe 5 hours. Anyway long story short, the sun beat down on the toolbox and gels melted together, now I have one really thick moongel. =P
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:09 PM
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If you decide to use the O-rings don't tape them down to your head. They need to float and vibrate with the head to kill only the unwanted overtones. If you tape them down they will completely choke out the sound of the tom. Rings are quite drastic, but if that is the sound you are looking for, they are quite effective.
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Old 08-22-2008, 06:30 PM
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None of that on toms. Tuning and heads should do the trick. I agree with Garvin completely but I like open and resonant also. I have a steel snare drum that rings like crazy and no amount of heads, snares, tuning gets rid of the ugly buzz (not the nice "growl") after smacking the drum; to get rid of it, I cut an inch out of a studio ring and tape it to the head so that it isn't taped to the head it's actually taped to the rim and floats on the head. An entire ring just kills the drum.
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Old 08-23-2008, 12:43 AM
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I have a e-ring on my metalwoks snare, it works good, but when i play without it, everything else just gets rid of the ringing sound. so really if you are playing live, the guitar/singing etc will cut out your overtones.

as for the toms this rule also apply, although i do admit the gels come in handy sometimes.
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Old 08-26-2008, 07:03 AM
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I like moongels.

I really like how you can choose how much you want to dampen. If you want to dampen just a little bit then lay the moongel so it's 1/2 on the head and 1/2 on the rim(this is what I typically do). For my snare I lay it directly on the head about an inch from the rim and I get a nice snappy snare sound that I like.

They are pretty much the same exact material as those little sticky hands that you can find in quarter machines... actually - that would be cool! I should get some of those...
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Old 08-26-2008, 06:02 PM
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Neither, both have this really annoying muffling effect on drums and keep you from hearing the actual sound of your kit...

(Obviously I like a little resonance)
Agreed, choosing the correct heads, tuning them and having a gig in a room full of noisy people to play for will negate the need for such things. You'll need that full resonance to compete for "ear space" with all the other stuff going on on the gig.
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CAN YOU NAY SAYERS STOP BAGGING DAMPENING! If you dont llike the sound of drums dampened thats fine but there is no need to bag on people cause they dampen there drums.I dont dampen at all either, but i can understand people wanting to as i guarantee these are people who never take there drums out of the house and have strange accoustics or just simply want to make the drums not so loud(for the room there in)or they like dry attack with little resonance.Its like when i see a post from the same person ie.dont dampen your drums let them sing. then in another post :wy ask silly questions "trust your ears".total contradiction! I've had my rant.
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Old 08-31-2008, 02:37 AM
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Right on Cypriss. Hay i was just wondering wat moongels r lol? i've never heard of them till now, i've been living unda a rock :(.
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I greatly prefer to let my tuning do the trick. I don't like a pillow in my bass drum, and I don't like stretching a strip of towel between the head and the shell.

That said, sometimes you need some muffling (live rooms, smaller bands), and for that, I adore moongels. I've had to put as many as 3 gels on my floor tom to get it under control (brick wall behind me and beside me, concrete under my drum rug). It's a nice fast way to get a "dry" sound out of a wet snare. It also works remarkably well on cymbals if necessary.

The really cool thing is that you can tailor what you take out of the sound by where you place the gel. On a cymbal, placing it by the bell takes out overtones. Near the edge takes down the sustain. I get similar effects on drums.

Sometimes, you can't tune a drum to get every single sound you need. That's when you need some other tools at your disposal.
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Old 09-22-2008, 09:04 PM
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I dont like dampening either..but there certainly is a time and place for it. You can't always let your "tuning" take care of things. A lot of factors go into dampening like the size of your drums and what they are made out of. Some dampening is good for recording, or even using mics sometimes in live situations, or just depending on the type of room especially if you have larger drums ( I have 16 and 18 inch floor toms which I only ever dampen those 2 drums when I do). That's just my 2 cents..
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I have used moongels just not presently. I usually cut them in half and put the gel piece right against the hoop so as to just barely muffle. I have also used on my snare to get rid of the smallest amount of ring, a business card. Just lay it on the head next to the hoop.
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considering some of us arent professional tuners, does anyone have any tips on getting a similar effect to an e-ring without using one. like even if its not as drastic?
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Old 10-26-2008, 05:41 AM
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I like Moongels better than rings. You can adjust Moongels far better. Like someone else already described, I use one on the edge of my snare drum, with half of it on the head, and half laid up on the side of the rim. Rings can often be overkill. They can also buzz, get caught on your stick and mess you up, and get permanently bent so that they no longer lay flat on your drum. Moongels will give you none of these problems, and they can be used on cowbells, or on cymbals if you have loud, ringy cymbals and you're playing in a subdued situation.

Seriously, is it necessary that every time someone asks a question about muffling, they get bombarded with all the same old crap: "dude, you must suck at tuning, let those things sing so they don't sound like wet pizza boxes, blah, blah, blah"? I don't think so. I used to use rings on my toms a few years ago, and they were NOT dead, not at all. I still had on the stock clear G2 heads, and I used the rings to get rid of some of the "plasticy" sound present in the attack, and to better emphasize the low end. They actually worked great (the thinner white Remo ones - not the thick ones that Evans makes, which really do kill the sound), except for some of the problems I mentioned. I now use coated G2s, which are warmer and allow me to not need the muffling, except a little on the snare. So yes, appropriate heads can fix a lot of problems, but I still think it's stupid that everybody gets attacked for using (or even asking about) a LITTLE muffling when necessary.
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Old 10-27-2008, 05:39 AM
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So yes, appropriate heads can fix a lot of problems, but I still think it's stupid that everybody gets attacked for using (or even asking about) a LITTLE muffling when necessary.
On top of that, sometimes you NEED muffling. A carpeted room that's well treated will take a wide open drum FAR better than the inside of a National Guard Armory warehouse (my loudest, most obnoxious gig of all time- concrete and metal on all sides). Also, home playing is sometimes easier when the drums are muffled.

Muffling is just another tool in the arsenal. Yes, you could do fine without it... but it's also a great technique to take advantage of.
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I love to let my Ambassadors ring out. But when you play a show in a 20x20 room or something, sometimes you've got to tame the beast. Moongels always do the job, and especially love how you can cut them to your liking. Great product.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:54 PM
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Sorry could someone explain what the difference between O-ring and E-rings are?
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Oh , and im using moongel atm , because i use them on resonance and batter head to get a nice joey jordison like 'thud' :P
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Bump! Sorry what is the difference between Evans E-Rings and O Rings?
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Old 11-23-2008, 07:57 AM
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Bump! Sorry what is the difference between Evans E-Rings and O Rings?
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Wow, I don't even remember posting this thread haha...loooong time ago. I've never heard of the O-Rings before though. TBH, I don't even use any sort of dampening anymore. With the right heads and tuning, I can get the perfect sound with perfect sustain.
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This thread is pretty amusing...only thing we need now is a picture of that set that had like, 50+ moongels on a 5 pc set. Hilarious, if just for the perfect picture to define- overkill.

That said, I like the 'gels. I only use 1...I have a little flat spot on the bearing edge on my 14" floor tom that just ALWAYS creates a wrinkle. Till I can get the edges redone, 1 little moongel does the trick. Yay for "space-age" technology! : P .....................................(get it,get it? HAHAHA)...........*booos from the peanut gallery*
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I have an email from Kenny Aronoff saying he uses duct tape on his 15" signature snare. I guess he must suck at tuning, huh?

Lately, I try to not use dampening just to force myself to hone my tuning skills more.

But there are times where the sound you want from your drum very much requires them. I have used various methods of dampening, both moongel and rings. And I still have them around if I want to use them.
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I have an email from Kenny Aronoff saying he uses duct tape on his 15" signature snare. I guess he must suck at tuning, huh?

Lately, I try to not use dampening just to force myself to hone my tuning skills more.

But there are times where the sound you want from your drum very much requires them. I have used various methods of dampening, both moongel and rings. And I still have them around if I want to use them.
Thats cool. How did you manage to get in touch with him?
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i find that moongels are good for recording because it dosent dampen the whole drum where as e rings are alright for mucking about but i try not to use either
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I use Aquarian Studio Rings.

the rings have the perfect dampening, but the only problem is you need a specific size for each drum, where as you can stick MoonGels on whatever.

I'd say MoonGels are more for a quick fix for anything that is giving you problems (for example, a borrowed kit at a gig), and rings are more like a long term solution (as they need to be the same size as the drum)


I don't get why a lot of people are so against muffling. using muffling doesn't mean you suck at tuning, it's a personal choice what you want your drums to sound like, and personally, I can't stand my drums being super-ringy with lots of sustain. I like them to speak, and then shut up. so I use rings on the snare and toms, and a towel in my bass drum. my drums sound great to me. but I listen to my friend's kit, and he has huge toms that he doesn't muffle at all, and I just cringe at all the ringyness, sustain and overtones spewing from those drums.
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I don't get why a lot of people are so against muffling. using muffling doesn't mean you suck at tuning, it's a personal choice what you want your drums to sound like, and personally, I can't stand my drums being super-ringy with lots of sustain. I like them to speak, and then shut up. so I use rings on the snare and toms, and a towel in my bass drum. my drums sound great to me. but I listen to my friend's kit, and he has huge toms that he doesn't muffle at all, and I just cringe at all the ringyness, sustain and overtones spewing from those drums.
It really depends on what you want to use your drums for.

If you just want them to sound good in your bedroom, then by all means muffle to your heart's content, if that's the sound you're after.

What a lot of guys don't realize is that on STAGE, most of the drum's sound is eliminated by distance and other sound sources (other instruments). Often, a tom that rings too long on its own sounds like a muffled tom "in the mix". Likewise, a muffled tom sounds like nothing- just an attack and no sustain, no pitch.

I don't know what it is around here, but a lot of guys with drumsets (I hesitate to really call them "drummers") like to tune their drums super low and muffle them until it just sounds like pounding on wet cardboard. It may sound cool in their bedrooms, but it becomes impossible for a soundman to turn that into a usable tone.

That said, once again, I am a fan of muffling when necessary. I think a well-tuned, unmuffled drum is the best starting point, but sometimes you can't use all of that ring in certain environments. That's where moongel and rings come in. My old drummer used to use rings in studio (hence the name "Studio Rings") and go unmuffled live.
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I don't know what it is around here, but a lot of guys with drumsets (I hesitate to really call them "drummers") like to tune their drums super low and muffle them until it just sounds like pounding on wet cardboard. It may sound cool in their bedrooms, but it becomes impossible for a soundman to turn that into a usable tone.
It's because that's what you hear on records. The sound of a tom's attack, and not so much it's resonance, because that's covered up by the sound of all of the other instruments and vocals, vying for the same sound frequencies. Just like playing live. The more unmuffled you have your drums, the more overtones you produce, and therefore the more you can actually be heard and not lost in a mix.

Let the drums sing, I say. If they weren't meant to resonate, then they wouldn't be cylinders made out of wood with heads on each side...
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"Let the drums sing, I say. If they weren't meant to resonate, then they wouldn't be cylinders made out of wood with heads on each side..."


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"Let the drums sing, I say. If they weren't meant to resonate, then they wouldn't be cylinders made out of wood with heads on each side..."


Nicely said.
Some hand drums, like bata and tablas, have clay or similar materials to control overtones. Some snares and toms come with felt dampening pads inside that you adjust from outside. Dampening drums is a very common technique to shape sound, not a sign of failed tuning. Still, I bag on people who buy the thinnest, most resonant heads for their bass drums, then stuff mattresses in them to control ring. Might as well play a cardboard box.

My drums are a half-inch thick and made of extremely dense wood. Controlling overtones is a problem. I use thick heads and take a lot of time to tune so that seems to take care of it. However, my snare is especially prone to ringing. Instead of Moongel I use that office putty, light blue or yellow. It's kind of like modeling clay but leaves no residue.I also put that on my ride cymbal to darken the sound when needed. The putty can be broken apart, joined or shaped in whatever way is needed for precise control and it stays put.
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So you basically put blue-tack on ur cymbals/drums? I dunno if that'd be good for them, but eh lol. I dont use moongel or rings to control the overtones on my drums, i simply put duct tape on my toms, killed the overtones and allowed me to get a good tone with medium/short sustain, just how i like it :)
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So you basically put blue-tack on ur cymbals/drums?
I dunno if that'd be good for them, but eh lol.
i simply put duct tape on my toms,
just how i like it :)
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If you cant f**k it- screw it!

And if you cant screw it... well then just trash it! LOL!!
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Old 11-28-2008, 03:19 PM
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Haha, but seriously it solved all my problems, i would just buy better skins but i dont have alot of cash and well.... yea :). but hay, my kit just survived a 3hr gig with the skins, n they sounded GREAT :D, All Hail Duct Tape!
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Old 11-28-2008, 06:17 PM
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So you basically put blue-tack on ur cymbals/drums? I dunno if that'd be good for them, but eh lol. I dont use moongel or rings to control the overtones on my drums, i simply put duct tape on my toms, killed the overtones and allowed me to get a good tone with medium/short sustain, just how i like it :)
Let me see if I follow you. You ask if blue-tack, which doesn't leave residue, is good for drums, and then you suggest using duct tape, which leaves TONS of residue!

You can take off moongel and rings with no damage. Duct tape leaves stickiness.
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