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Old 08-19-2005, 11:01 AM
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Thinshells - I see you love him...for good reasons....me too

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Old 08-19-2005, 01:27 PM
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Very well said thinshells. I've always just not felt good about saying anything bad about Gadd's kit sound preference, its blasphemous to do so. BUT... I've never been a fan of the dead thuddy sounding tuning of his. Again though, as you stated, he makes them sing anyhow (not literaly, since they are dead sounding, but the music he evokes out of them).
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Old 08-19-2005, 02:00 PM
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great post - it is good to read posts from drummers/musicians that "get it." Without trying to sound too opinionated, if you don't get Gadd, you don't get it at all.
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Old 08-19-2005, 07:47 PM
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What's not to like about the guy. He is an excellent and influencial drummer. He is one of my top idols. People who bash him, which there has been, not neccesarliy here on DW, but people that bash him either have no clue who he is(how can you not) or are insecure about theirselves as drummers and take out their frustration of drums on greats like Steve Gadd.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:00 PM
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What's not to like about the guy. He is an excellent and influencial drummer. He is one of my top idols. People who bash him, which there has been, not neccesarliy here on DW, but people that bash him either have no clue who he is(how can you not) or are insecure about theirselves as drummers and take out their frustration of drums on greats like Steve Gadd.

The really sad thing about the bashings that I have seen is this:

They want Steve Gadd to sound like Joey, or Travis. The bashings usually come from younger folks that aren't impressed by anything except faster, louder. Subtlety and musicianship along with groove are ideas that are undiscovered.

I am glad Steve doesn't do hard rock, punk, or death metal. There are plenty of people to do that stuff, and it's an entirely different realm. Steve does pocket, and epitomizes consummate musicianship. Not just a two-dimensional show of aggression.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:11 PM
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Steve Gadd is awesome, to see him play is inspiring, even for a metalhead like me. It's important not to be narrow minded in our approach to the music we play, taking influences from all style and genres. YET, I still have friends in other bands that have never heard him behind his kit, let alone know who he is.
Though I play in a metal band and don't get too many solo's. When I do, I always revert to a subtler style. I can beat my drums to death with the best of them but there's no craft in that, thats where Gadd comes into it. Watching "greats" like Gadd, Copeland, etc... Has opened my mind, ears and hands, to a far more challenging and rewarding way to play.
Many thanx to the drummer who changed the way I hear and play music, no matter what genre it may be.
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Old 09-01-2005, 09:52 AM
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The really sad thing about the bashings that I have seen is this:

They want Steve Gadd to sound like Joey, or Travis. The bashings usually come from younger folks that aren't impressed by anything except faster, louder. Subtlety and musicianship along with groove are ideas that are undiscovered.

I am glad Steve doesn't do hard rock, punk, or death metal. There are plenty of people to do that stuff, and it's an entirely different realm. Steve does pocket, and epitomizes consummate musicianship. Not just a two-dimensional show of aggression.
I wouldnt worry about what people think so much about Gadd, its their loss if they dont "find" what Steve offers. Its an art form and they just dont like his art work. Im just glad I do.




Dr. Gadd will be at PASIC and performing in the Buddy Rich Tribute..............AMAZING....I play over and over with his GADD ABOUT CD. One of my favorite songs is "My little Brother" its got a good Gadd groove happening. You would be so surprised to just site down and work some of his songs and the more you play them and listen, the more you hear more suddle things he is placing in the song that you just missed.

I must admit, I never heard of Steve through most of my drumming career, but ONCE I did hear him, I couldnt get enough. But all in all, I have listened to him play for years but just didnt know it was him. "Fifty Ways To Leave Your Lover" Man I must of sang that song a million times and didnt know who the drummer was. LOL. Now its all about studying his playing.

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Old 09-26-2005, 05:07 PM
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in the weckl-gadd-colaiuta drum off, yes, since this is only a "drum-off", not a musicality contest, i agree gadd is OFF. the least complexity and speed wise.
i felt gadd was the best drummer there! beleive it or not. when i first saw it i thought "come on gadd, these guys are making you look bad". but when i just listened to it, i could hear his style above the other two. they sounded dead similar to me, vinnie and dave, but gadd was unique and made much smarter fills, and it seems like it was probably him that came up with that cowbell groove running through the background. i think that "lucky 13" clip shows gadd doing a lot of the things i think he is best at. it's my favourite clip on the site.
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Old 09-27-2005, 12:21 AM
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Gadd is a real solid drummer and focuses on the groove very well. That's why he's such an in demand session player because he does the job he's paid to do. At the famous BR concert he was the best drummer that played with the band because he just played with the band/did his job while everyone else just showed off (sorry, except LB). As far as the trio with Vinne and Weckl, I don't think he did anything flashy but he was cool because he knew his place in the setting he was in. Vinnie and Weckl were the ones trying to outdo each other and in my opinion Weckl fell into the trap again and Vinne smoked him. Gadd on the other hand kept the groove together with his famous Mozambique groove.

As far as my views of his playing: Sure, he's the one that got us to play our rudiments between our hi-hat and snare, sure he showed us that you don't have to bash to be a good drummer and I think those are great qualities. I respect him a lot for what he's done/still doing but at the same time, I just never had my mind blown by him. Many of you have talked about his recorded performances and that's great of him to be so precise but rehearsal does do that for everyone. I once recorded a demo and some guy thought I used a sample because the rimshot was so consistent. I told him that I didn't and when he asked how that was possible I just shrugged and told him that the band rehearsed. And let's not forget, Gadd does this for a living. He's seasoned and he's readier than any of us.

I just don't hear any progress in Gadd's playing. One thing I noticed is that he does the same things, all the time! I've seen lots of video footage and heard lots of recordings he's on and it's always the same beats and that same lick between the snare and toms. I don't know about you guys but that's why I won't spend $40 for a DVD that he's on. This is why I respect Steve Smith (even though he's not even close to being my favorite drummer) because when you see him play over the years he's definitely exploring and consequently improving. I think it's so awesome that he's not working with Indian rhythms and it's so obvious in his playing; even his jazz playing!
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Old 09-27-2005, 01:09 AM
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Cuauhtemoc, I couldn't agree more with your appraisal of the Vinnie/Gadd/Weckl trio. Gadd was really the only one of the three to make that band sound really good. I love how he sits back and gets that groove really cookin', just listening to the soloists. And you can tell how much they appreciate it: that 2nd Sax guy blows a ridiculous solo in "Keep the customer satisfied", you can see Steve Marcus look up at him with a big smile and seem to say "Yeeaaaahh!!". I love that bit.

As for the solos, again I agree. Poor Dave...it's just not fair to ask him to play against those two. Gadd's got the groove, funky-as-hell beats, dancing-behind-his-kit thing, Vinnie's got ideas coming out of his arse mixed with plently of attitude, Weckl...he just seems lost. And the audience knows it too: I'm not sure he gets a single shout from the crowd.

I certainly have had my mind blown by Gadd and I wouldn't be as disparaging as you about his studio chops, because talent like that does not come to anyone through rehearsal...the man's a legend for a reason. However, I'm pleased you brought up the fact he plays the same things all the time. This is something that does really bug me. Gadd could improvise quality playing all the time if he wanted, and yet he plays those bloody licks in every clip you ever see of him. I don't know how he isn't bored of them himself yet. Can't really blame a man that successful for resting on his laurels, I guess, but I just wish he wouldn't!

I can't resist a controversial question: anyone else ever thought that the 50 Ways beat just doesn't really fit the song?? Don't get me wrong, it's a GREAT groove, I've just never felt that it fits in that particular tune.

Also Finn, do you really think Weckl showed more chops on that video than Vinnie?? I can't see that. The stuff Vinnie executed there is in a different league of difficulty to what Weckl plays.

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Old 09-27-2005, 03:24 AM
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Vinnie's definetly got more chops than Weck... Weck beats everyone for consistency and precision though. As far as chops goes, Vinnie's got every polyrhythm and metric modulation concieved of by man. Not to mention everything he plays is so damned firey. Not that I don't love Weck- he's great. But he does fall into the "let's out chop Vinnie trap" and there's not one drummer in the world who can do that. Sorry, Dave. Love ya though.
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Old 09-27-2005, 05:25 PM
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poor dave. that solo gadd plays in " things aint what they used to be" seems a little strange. good, but strange. definately not what i expected.
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Old 09-27-2005, 08:27 PM
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I can't resist a controversial question: anyone else ever thought that the 50 Ways beat just doesn't really fit the song?? Don't get me wrong, it's a GREAT groove, I've just never felt that it fits in that particular tune.

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That's an interesting question. I think it's the perfect example of one's subjectivity. I don't have a problem with you making that statement.
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Old 09-27-2005, 08:29 PM
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I love Gadd, from his groove right down to his drum tone.
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Old 09-27-2005, 08:38 PM
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I can't resist a controversial question: anyone else ever thought that the 50 Ways beat just doesn't really fit the song?? Don't get me wrong, it's a GREAT groove, I've just never felt that it fits in that particular tune.

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That's an interesting question. I think it's the perfect example of one's subjectivity. I don't have a problem with you making that statement.[/quote]

Nope. It's perfect, and it makes the song. It's legendary and an immortal classic.
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Old 09-27-2005, 08:42 PM
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Does anyone else find it alittle odd, Gadd's use of double bass in this clip? http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/S...ollective.html Atleast for what he's playing IMO it seems like he's cheating because from I'm seen of his right foot technique, he could do all that on one foot.
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Old 09-27-2005, 09:04 PM
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I can't resist a controversial question: anyone else ever thought that the 50 Ways beat just doesn't really fit the song?? Don't get me wrong, it's a GREAT groove, I've just never felt that it fits in that particular tune.
Actually, no. In my mind the drum part of that song IS the song. The rest of the song works around the drums.
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Old 09-27-2005, 10:10 PM
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Well thanks, Cuauhtemoc, but judging by your previous musings on Gadd it wasn't you I was expecting to upset with my 50 Ways question; some others on this forum tend to be a little, how shall we say...reactionary. I was pleased yesterday to see a post from Nutha J telling people they don't have to put IMO or even worse IMHO every time they write something, because that trend was getting out of hand. I've even seem some people rubbish their own opinion before they express it!

I'm also glad to see others having problems with getting quotations to work. Those damn things seem to have a mind of their own.

You're totally right, DogBreath. And I think that's my problem with it. If I'm completely honest, I think no matter how much I love drums, my priorities lie with the other components of music: melody, harmony, lyrics etc (I've been a pianist a lot longer than a drummer). There was a time I loved drum solos for drum solos' sake, now I prefer them short and sweet and to make sense within the music. Nor am I interested in the minutiae of drumming, you know, how someone sets up, how they tune their drums, what cymbals they use, all things like that...it just doesn't do it for me. And so I can't help wanting drum parts to fit around the song, not the song around the drum part. You've hit the nail on the head there.

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Old 09-27-2005, 11:31 PM
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If I'm completely honest, I think no matter how much I love drums, my priorities lie with the other components of music: melody, harmony, lyrics etc. ... And so I can't help wanting drum parts to fit around the song, not the song around the drum part.
That's a perfectly valid point, and one that I hope no one finds offensive (referring to the occasionally over-sensitive types). It is a bit of a "gimmicky" song, mainly lyrically, and to a lesser extent percussively.

I remember years ago Paul Simon saying that the song was inspired by the goofy rhymes that his young son liked. I think it was just a silly song that they were all having fun with in various ways.*









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Old 09-27-2005, 11:34 PM
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My other hands down Gadd favorite is Simons "Late in the evening" Gadd makes that song!
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Old 09-28-2005, 12:40 AM
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My other hands down Gadd favorite is Simons "Late in the evening" Gadd makes that song!
Yeah, Thinshells, that's a quality tune. Do you have the DVD of that band at the Tower Theatre, 1980 I think it is? It's great. Gadd just looks so damn cool when he plays. And he also looks a terrifying amount like an old British comedy character called Blackadder (played by Rowan Atkinson of Mr Bean fame). There's also a great moment in Late in the evening when some guy leaps to his feet to dance, then realises he can't dance, and looks so awkward...it's painful because it reminds me of me, haha.

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Old 09-28-2005, 02:56 AM
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The Buddy Rich memorial video Gadd did with Vinnie and Weckl was really great drumming
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Old 09-28-2005, 04:51 AM
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Has anyone here seen Steve Gadd in a clinic. Im going to one of his on Oct.10 and i would like to know what to expect.
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Old 09-29-2005, 06:49 PM
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I just read in the paper today that Steve Marcus, the sax leader in that video, died on the 25th...
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Old 09-29-2005, 08:16 PM
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I believe he would of been at PASIC this year.


Steve Marcus, jazz saxophonist, dies

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NEW HOPE, Pa. - Steve Marcus, a jazz saxophonist who recorded and toured with Stan Kenton, Herbie Mann and Buddy Rich, has died. He was 66.

Marcus died in his sleep at his home in New Hope on Sunday, family members said.

He was a pioneer of the jazz fusion movement of the late 1960s, a musical movement that combined elements of rock 'n' roll and jazz.

Born in the Bronx, on Sept. 18, 1939, Marcus attended the Berklee School of Music in Boston, family members said.

"He was one of the players that was able to play main stream jazz and yet cross over into the rock idiom with a completely natural understanding of the music," said fellow saxophonist Andy Fusco, 57.

Marcus was currently touring with the quintet "Steve Smith and Buddy's Buddies," a tribute band to the music of Buddy Rich, said Fusco, a member of the group.

Jazz guitarist Larry Coryell attended the funeral, which was held Tuesday in Valhalla, N.Y.

"Steve Marcus was one of the greatest saxophonists in all of music," Coryell said. "He truly was able to unite jazz with the popular music of the time."

Several of Marcus' recordings have been recently reissued, including "The Count's Rock Band," and "Tomorrow Never Knows," which garnered five stars from Down Beat Magazine when it was released, Fusco said.

Marcus is survived by his wife, Eleanor, and a daughter, Holly.
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Old 09-29-2005, 08:25 PM
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Gadd can play the simplest thing with a feeling no one else can. He can make of a simple paraddidle a giant and geniouse groove.

Listen to the silence moments in the zildjian days video. He makes the silence "sing".

The more I hear him, solo and in band, the more I respect him and understand he's geniality.

In he's solo's he's able to make music with he's drums.

Gadd maybe can't play a hundred single beats a minute, but the way he creates groove and music with his drums is just increadible.

I hope you'll start liking him after some time.....

Try to listen to him playing with Paul Simon, Michel Patrucciani, etc....

Amazing!
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Gadd can play the simplest thing with a feeling no one else can. He can make of a simple paraddidle a giant and geniouse groove.

Listen to the silence moments in the zildjian days video. He makes the silence "sing".

The more I hear him, solo and in band, the more I respect him and understand he's geniality.

In he's solo's he's able to make music with he's drums.

Gadd maybe can't play a hundred single beats a minute, but the way he creates groove and music with his drums is just increadible.

I hope you'll start liking him after some time.....

Try to listen to him playing with Paul Simon, Michel Patrucciani, etc....

Amazing!
Yep! I feel that's eactly what makes Gadd one of the greatest players of all time, making the silence inbetween the notes "sing", weither it be 32 notes or whole notes, there is that space, that makes the groove flow forward...

I think that's becasue Gadd plays the notes and God plays the silence.
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Old 09-30-2005, 07:33 PM
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Because I am an atheist and a Buddhist, I hope that no one is offended by me commenting on this, but I just have to say that this was incredibly touching to me:

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Gadd plays the notes and God plays the silence.
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I've seen people mention this solo but I thought I just should post a link to a video of it for the people that never seen it. it's one of my favorite steve gadd movies.

http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/video/gadd/gadd02HQ.mov

btw is http://www.drstevegadd.com/ a new website? a just ran into it and can't believe I would have never found it before.
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Yep its fairly new. And very informative.
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yeah I like it. it's just that I'm missing one thing and that's a button to switch the audio off. I can't listen to music and visit the site at the same time this way.
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Also Finn, do you really think Weckl showed more chops on that video than Vinnie?? I can't see that. The stuff Vinnie executed there is in a different league of difficulty to what Weckl plays.
Oops, just found this. No, I don't think Weckl had more chops on display than Vinnie. I just don't think he had as much fire - The thing that is most notable about Weckl on that video is his chops, while Vinnie has energy coming out of his ears which kind of distracts you from the fact that he's also playing some the trickiest stuff on the planet. Gadd has groove a mile deep, which I must admit I do slightly prefer to either of the other approaches - I like Vinnie better when he's a bit more groove-heavy rather than the constant explosive approach seen on that 3-way battle thing.
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Its probably his movement and passion that makes him such a stand out...
pluse, his grooves are awsome (:
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:09 PM
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Does anyone know if Dr. Gadd has recorded with the great sax player 'Ernie Watts'? If you could let me know which CD's they both would be on it would be great. I'm pretty sure they have crossed paths as their discographys show very similar artists.
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Yeah, Thinshells, that's a quality tune. Do you have the DVD of that band at the Tower Theatre, 1980 I think it is? It's great. Gadd just looks so damn cool when he plays. And he also looks a terrifying amount like an old British comedy character called Blackadder (played by Rowan Atkinson of Mr Bean fame). There's also a great moment in Late in the evening when some guy leaps to his feet to dance, then realises he can't dance, and looks so awkward...it's painful because it reminds me of me, haha.

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I believe he would of been at PASIC this year.


Steve Marcus, jazz saxophonist, dies

The Associated Press

NEW HOPE, Pa. - Steve Marcus, a jazz saxophonist who recorded and toured with Stan Kenton, Herbie Mann and Buddy Rich, has died. He was 66.

Marcus died in his sleep at his home in New Hope on Sunday, family members said.

He was a pioneer of the jazz fusion movement of the late 1960s, a musical movement that combined elements of rock 'n' roll and jazz.

Born in the Bronx, on Sept. 18, 1939, Marcus attended the Berklee School of Music in Boston, family members said.

"He was one of the players that was able to play main stream jazz and yet cross over into the rock idiom with a completely natural understanding of the music," said fellow saxophonist Andy Fusco, 57.

Marcus was currently touring with the quintet "Steve Smith and Buddy's Buddies," a tribute band to the music of Buddy Rich, said Fusco, a member of the group.

Jazz guitarist Larry Coryell attended the funeral, which was held Tuesday in Valhalla, N.Y.

"Steve Marcus was one of the greatest saxophonists in all of music," Coryell said. "He truly was able to unite jazz with the popular music of the time."

Several of Marcus' recordings have been recently reissued, including "The Count's Rock Band," and "Tomorrow Never Knows," which garnered five stars from Down Beat Magazine when it was released, Fusco said.

Marcus is survived by his wife, Eleanor, and a daughter, Holly.
That is sad. He was an *extremely* talented musician in one of the best bands in the world. He was a "saxophonists saxophonist" a consummate musician and a great loss. If there was a counterpart to Buddy on the sax, Steve was it.
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I hope that's original and not a photoshopped event. How aware of Drummerworld is the almighty Gadd? Just to have him say a few words and grace this forum would brighten my YEAR.

Steve must know that he is royalty among drummers. His Yamaha kit is a temple of staggering proportion. The day that he leaves us, it is because God wants a personal drummer for himself.
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And Bernhard REALLY DID NOT go to PASIC-JKB, All those photos were done with Photoshop :) LOL It's all an illusion.

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Yes it's a real picture of us, and yes Dr. Gadd is very aware of DrummerWorld. We may consider him to be royalty, but he is the most down-to-earth guy you'll ever meet.
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