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Old 07-09-2008, 11:37 PM
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Default Recording with 4 mics, help?

So to start it off, my band and i have decided that we are recording our album ourselves. I only have a 4 input mixer, but I have some decent mics. This is all the hardware/software I have:
1 Shure SM58
1 Sennheiser e845s (similar to sm58)
1 MXL 3000 Condenser
1 4-input mixer
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/produ...tem?sku=480938
Im running the mixer into my interface then to my computer. I'll be using cubase LE.
I'll be heading to guitar center to get the last mic. I can't decide if I should get another dynamic to mic the toms, or to use it as an over head. The drummer uses a 4 pc setup (almost exactly like Barker's..)
Some stuff I was wondering is:
-Whats the best mic placement?
-What type of EQ should i focus on for each mic? Especially the overhead(s)?
-What effects are necessary? What are some optional effects I can use?
Here are some pics of his setup:




Sorry for the long post, I just want to do this right!
Thanks in advance
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Old 07-10-2008, 01:02 AM
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Default Re: Recording with 4 mics, help?

-Whats the best mic placement?

Bass on right (floor tom) side of drums.

One mic on kick drum -bass side, bass will bleed-into this mic, experiment with distances.

One over-head on drums (condenser(?)) facing drums.

One mic for vocals

One room mic for guitars (maybe inside the dryer with the door open). Experiment with placement (try farther-away).



What type of EQ should i focus on for each mic? Especially the overhead(s)?

EQ all flat, do a run and listen, it'll be apparent. FX after in mix mode, play witth it. Slight reverb is good start. Learn 'all about compression' if you have it.
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:48 AM
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I meant all 4 mics are dedicated to drums. Everything else goes in seperate tracks.
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Old 07-13-2008, 12:21 AM
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One in the kick drum...one overhead for the cymbals and over all sound...(this one will also pick up your smaller mounted tom)....then one on the snare and one over the floor tom....eq the individual mics on the mixer to create the best sound u can...and that should work fairly well.....and dont forget to play with the exact position of the mics...move each mic closer or farther away from the sound sources its dedicate to until u get the best sound....good luck and i hope this advice helps...oh and u should probably use the sm58 for the bass drum...then the condenser for the overhead....then u can swap off the other to until u get the sound u want....but its all about experimentation....have fun
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Old 07-13-2008, 12:36 AM
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Two overheads, either a spaced pair or XY, a bass drum microphone and a snare microphone. That's the best way of doing it with the current allocation. Get another MXL 3000 and use that as a matched overhead pair.
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:20 PM
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=IiFOD1EeKhQ

A great way to record a drumkit with few mics! :)
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Old 07-13-2008, 03:39 PM
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Two overheads, either a spaced pair or XY, a bass drum microphone and a snare microphone. That's the best way of doing it with the current allocation.
I'd go for this setup. You should try micing the snare drum from the bottom, since the overheads will pick up the batter side quite well.
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Old 07-13-2008, 04:24 PM
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The only problem with recording the underside is the phase differential. Because the difference in distance between the overheads and snare is pretty great, I'd hesitate to do it that way with the underside. It might work though - I'd certainly give it a go.
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Two overheads, either a spaced pair or XY, a bass drum microphone and a snare microphone. That's the best way of doing it with the current allocation. Get another MXL 3000 and use that as a matched overhead pair.
Agreed. Large diaphram dynamic for kick with two condensers overhead for the whole kit. Then a 57 (or anything similar) on the snare. That's the way to go, hands down.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=IiFOD1EeKhQ

A great way to record a drumkit with few mics! :)
I agree with the recorderman method. Check out my 3 mic recordings:
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=40247

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