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Old 06-11-2008, 03:52 PM
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I have a 22"x16" 70's ludwig kick.. needs new heads.
I want to keep with the kit's vintage look, while still
maintaining a great sound for recording especially.

First Off, any recommendations for heads? Currently (on toms):
ambassador coated (batters) / ambassador clears (bottoms)
Like I said, since the kit has vintage vibe to it, I'd probably want coated
heads for the front's and clears on the batter side of it? Will doing this
effect the sound of the drum noticeably? How so?

Second Q: I also want the addition of a port hole on drum front side.
Any advice on how to go about this w/o ruining the heads? I'm terrible
at cutting a straight edge

Was thinking of trying something like this - http://youtube.com/watch?v=wStcDiAZnyM&feature=related
but would that even work on a coated head?

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Old 06-11-2008, 04:06 PM
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Here's a photo of the kit, just for ref.
Btw, It's an old photo, spruced up a bit on it since
(thanks to the advice from this forum :))
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Old 06-11-2008, 05:40 PM
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I have a 22"x16" 70's ludwig kick.. needs new heads.
I want to keep with the kit's vintage look, while still
maintaining a great sound for recording especially.

First Off, any recommendations for heads? Currently (on toms):
ambassador coated (batters) / ambassador clears (bottoms)
Like I said, since the kit has vintage vibe to it, I'd probably want coated
heads for the front's and clears on the batter side of it? Will doing this
effect the sound of the drum noticeably? How so?

Second Q: I also want the addition of a port hole on drum front side.
Any advice on how to go about this w/o ruining the heads? I'm terrible
at cutting a straight edge

Was thinking of trying something like this - http://youtube.com/watch?v=wStcDiAZnyM&feature=related
but would that even work on a coated head?
To keep with this kit's vintage look, you should use a smooth white resonant head with a vintage ludwig logo on it for the bass drum(they're easy to find). The audience isn't going to see your batter heads anyways. A coated head will "warm up" the sound a bit, softening the attack of the sticks while slowing the vibration of the head and canceling certain harmonic frequencies that make it sound "clicky". It also makes the toms sound less like "doom" and more like "dome".

Clear batter and coated resonant? I think that's backwards. Part of the "vintage" vibe is a softer attack sound of the sticks on the head. If you want a warm, slightly muffled resonant tone, go with coateds on both sides (sounds great for jazz). If you want a little more "tonal" tone and resonance to come through, I would put clear resonant heads on (sounds great for everything else). If you want more of a vintage look (even more "vintage" than this kit), then put fiberskyns on it. I, personally, didn't like what fiberskyns sounded like on my 1970 Ludwigs, and I ended up going with Coated Ambassadors over Clear Ambassadors on the toms.

Yes, you can use the heated can method on a coated head. In the video, his explanations are a little longer and not to the point as they could be, but his method is spot-on...almost. I tried this on two heads, and each time I went to put them on the drum, I'd get a head wrinkle in the space between the hole and the side it's on that I couldn't get out. I tried it again on a head that was tuned up and mounted on the drum, and that seemed to work. Wear an oven mitt!!!
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Old 06-12-2008, 01:15 AM
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thank you!

Do you know if the ludwig weather-master coated heads
are the same as the remo ambassador coated heads?


also, your suggesting I do coated heads on both sides of the kick?
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Old 06-14-2008, 02:35 PM
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My personal preference would be to use a mildly controlled head such as the PS3 for the batter, and perhaps reso, too. A coated ambassador will do nicely as a reso but you'll get more sustain from it, and perhaps more than you wish. Only you can tell. PS3s get rid of most of the boinginess yet still let the drum have some tone.

As for a port, I recommend using something like Holz/Bass Drum Os. They make cutting easy, give a neat appearance, and reinforce the port. (Always a disappointment when someone tears your $35 reso head pulling the mic out.) Available in several colors.

Bear in mind the port will dry out the drum somewhat, depending on size and location, and will also reduce bounce off the batter head. Many guys use the 4" model located off-center at about 4 or 8 o'clock.

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When I ported my BD head I traced around the ring I bought, then used a small pair of fingernail scissors to cut the hole. Cut inside, saving the line and then trim as necessary. Much safer than the hot can deal especially if you drop it while over the head.

Are those Drum/Holz rings at the bottom of your post, or in this year of the Olympic games, a political statement about the state of the Olympics?
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Are those Drum/Holz rings at the bottom of your post, or in this year of the Olympic games, a political statement about the state of the Olympics?
not sure what you mean?
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Old 06-14-2008, 08:24 PM
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I think that was to me, noirengineer.

Gruntersdad, if I ever make a political statement on this board, it will be unmistakeable. ;-)

No, wait--actually my avatar is one. ;-)
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Old 06-14-2008, 10:17 PM
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thank you!

Do you know if the ludwig weather-master coated heads
are the same as the remo ambassador coated heads?


also, your suggesting I do coated heads on both sides of the kick?
The Ludwig Weather-Masters were made by Ludwig, not Remo. There is a considerable difference in sound between the two, in my opinion.

I was suggesting that you use whatever head you want for the kick batter, and a smooth white head for the kick resonant. You can either buy a head with a (vintage Ludwig) logo on it, or buy a logo sticker to put on it. That's the authentic vintage look for this time period. If you want a "more vintage" look, like, say 25 years earlier, then you'll want to get a calf-skin-looking resonant head like a Remo Fiberskyn. Hope this clarifies.
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Old 06-14-2008, 10:33 PM
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The Ludwig Weather-Masters were made by Ludwig, not Remo. There is a considerable difference in sound between the two, in my opinion.

I was suggesting that you use whatever head you want for the kick batter, and a smooth white head for the kick resonant. You can either buy a head with a (vintage Ludwig) logo on it, or buy a logo sticker to put on it. That's the authentic vintage look for this time period. If you want a "more vintage" look, like, say 25 years earlier, then you'll want to get a calf-skin-looking resonant head like a Remo Fiberskyn. Hope this clarifies.
thank you.. very helpful
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