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Old 05-29-2006, 08:49 PM
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On "In the air tonight" are those concert Toms? How many did he have. I would like to attempt this song and have 3 toms is that enough
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Old 05-29-2006, 09:02 PM
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On "In the air tonight" are those concert Toms? How many did he have. I would like to attempt this song and have 3 toms is that enough

His standard stage setup. 4 mounted and 2 floor. A doublet on all 4 mounteds and a single on each floor. It can be done with less but the variety suffers
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:36 PM
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http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=30

At the "download(stream)free jazz\rock fusion mp3" section listen to "Brand X (unorthodox behaviour 1976)Nuclear Burn" to hear some of Collins fusion playing.

No.6 Art E Mestieri (Tilt) is worth checking out as well to hear Italian drummer Furio Chirico-one of the most underrated drummers of the 70s.
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This weekend at Meek's Live Genesis Cafe . It will be all Phil Collins weekend! Should be some fun mate! We'll hear concert material from 85 up, Demos, Rehearsals, Sounchecks and More! I will span Phil's musical career from Flaming Youth, Brand X till the present. This show will air Friday and through the weekend! Thanks for supporting Meek's Live Genesis Cafe.
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Old 06-16-2006, 04:42 PM
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At the "download(stream)free jazz\rock fusion mp3" section listen to "Brand X (unorthodox behaviour 1976)Nuclear Burn" to hear some of Collins fusion playing.
ah, you beat me to the punch!

nuclear burn is one of the most killing tunes (overall, not just the drums) ever made. brand x was a great band, and phil is astonishing on those albums. blazingly fast, and extremely creative playing. i liked his stuff with genesis, and much of his solo stuff, too, but imho, brand x is where he really shines.

i checked him out several years back at carnegie hall [or radio city? can't remember now], doing the big band thing, and was pretty disappointed. i expected him to really throw down, but it was more of a yuppie gig to help promote a new discover card. the music was all very tame rehashings of genesis and solo phil stuff, and the whole event had no energy whatsoever. a huge waste of 80 clams. i know phil can propell a big band, so i definitely felt gypped.
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Old 10-13-2006, 01:30 PM
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Check out Phils Drumming on 'Colony of Slippermen' from 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway' LP from 1974, I think it's on the 2nd verse where the beat he plays is nothing short of dazzling!

The sound of his toms on that LP is also remarkable.
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Old 10-23-2006, 07:55 PM
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His sound inspired me so much,the let's say more eighties stuff,the gated drums !

In the air tonight: oh my gohhh
Mama : oh myyyyyyyyyyyy
I know there's something going on: goody goody oh my
Easy lover : yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

Also the snare sound on TLLDOB from Genesis is simply great!
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Old 11-02-2006, 08:31 AM
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Phil Collins has an official website and Forum which he occasionally posts on to...

www.philcollins.co.uk Phil has been asked about the Led Zepplin thing and you'll have to have alook for the answer its very interesting.... Two sides to a story folks ?

Phil is a remarkable drummer, and a great session musician, His list is endless, and his ability to learn a style is fantastic....

1968 - 1969 Flaming Youth

1970 to 1996 Genesis Although rumoured to be coming back in 2007 !!

Brand X 1975 to 1982

Jazz Big Band 1996 and 1998 respectivly.....

He has also played sessions for,

Thin Lizzy, Eric Clapton, Phil Bailey amongst many others !

His first all vocal concert for Genesis was in London Ontario Canada in March 1976 on the Trick on the tail tour....

Phil has used, Gretsch, Premier, Pearl, Simmons, Roland, Zildjian and Saibian gear !!!

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Old 11-03-2006, 12:58 PM
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Phil Collins has achieve a very rare thing: The PERFECT balance between technique and feel!
When He plays...there is nothing else like Him...just awesome!

Phil Collins does not play drums...He gives them life and makes them sing!


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PS: As drummers, if you are interested to check out a little tribute I did to Master drummer Phil Collins, for children's charity Children In Need, go to www.ultimatephilcollinstribute.com

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Old 11-08-2006, 01:23 AM
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because of his compositional skills,he may get overlooked as a fine drummer.gotta admit some of his sappy ballads from the 80's made me cringe! but "genesis live" and his work with brand x is where he really displays his chops.
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Old 11-08-2006, 02:15 AM
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Turn it on again and Inside out are a couple of my all-time favorites songs to play to ever...

I can just feel the energy going thru my veins.....
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I don't know a whole lot about Collins, but what I do know is that he is an excellent musician. Among all the great tracks already listed, the work he did with Robert Plant is some very fine drumming too. "Worse Than Detroit" is really a groove that could be considered "signature" (IMO) - not a trivial groove and feel to pull off.
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When Peter Gabriel left Genesis they really didn't need a new vocalist because Phil Collins' drumming is good enough to be the voice of that band.
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Old 04-11-2007, 09:45 AM
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One of the things I love about Phil's playing is his own style of ghost notes. It's very buzz-stroke oriented sound that is often done before the bass drum. It has this cool effect where there's a mini buzz roll filling in the groove that I've never heard anyone else do.

Not to mention his song writing skills, ugh. Too much talent for one man.
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:44 PM
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Anybody else likes his drumming on Dodo/Lurker from Abacab ? Power and finesse, intelligent fills, fat backbeat… Much heavier feel than his early Genesis intricate work, yet equally efficient
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Old 04-11-2007, 03:51 PM
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Kinda funny, I aspire to be many things in drumming. Metal, Jazz, Rock, Funk, I love it all but Collins is just so incredible regardless of what I'm trying to do I like to look to him for inspiration.
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Old 04-16-2007, 07:01 AM
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I love practicing along with Phil Collins on the Genesis CDs Selling England By The Pound,Foxtrot,Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering; I also like playing along with the odd songs like Twilight Alehouse and The Knife.I am surprised that I can play a reasonable facsimile of his style considering how hard it initially sounds. I think Collins is one of those drummers that makes the Simple sound Complex and the Complex sound Simple with many elements of surprise.I am not a fan of his solo work simply because it lacks soul and so does the rather boring cymbal-less drumming that accompanies it,but he's still one of the All-Time Greats...
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Old 04-28-2007, 08:56 PM
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I don't think Phil Collins was the drummer on the very first Genesis CD; when sour turns sweat. And some of Trespass as well. Anyway I grew up listenning to all Phil Collins' stuff in Genesis and Brand X and learned a lot of my drumming through him and style as well. He's in my main drumming influence between John Bonham and the unknown Aaron Gillespie(who is the drummerworld's wich list and I can't wait to see him officially see as a great drummer). Like Phil Collins he's a drummer-singer and I am too in my band. I would like to be a front man as a like to play drums. And phil Collins is that singer drumming inspiration for me as is a great arranger of song. He built great ideas with is drumming I will praise him within his own work because Idon't think a professional drummer like him is good to do covers. He's at first a creator and can't do otherway, so playing with Led Zep was to me something attractive being both high in my list but putting them together is just a bad idea it's not fitting at all. Bonham has that way of playing the led zep song so well, it needs more genius to knows what not to play and what to play the right way at the right and making it sound different. Phil Collins has done that with genesis and was a great arranger for his solo stuff. Bonham was the best for a hard rock band like Led Zep. And Aaron Gillespie, like his idol Dave Grohl, who stepped out from behind his drum kit to capture the rock world’s hearts as one of the genre’s most visible frontmen, just did with his pop project The Almost. He played every single instrument on the album and arranged it all. That's another big influence for me like Phil Collins as not only a personnal own style drummer but also a composer and arranger; a leader. So like Phil Collins in genesis Aaron is also a second singer in Underoath and writer and leader in the way the band sounds and believe me it makes a big difference to his unique drumming style and the way he knows how to play with the song and make it flows. Now enough about Aaron this forum is about Phil Collins but just to say that Phil did it and was the most rewarded front man drummer and I give him credit for that. He's part of my drumming and will always be.

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Old 05-29-2007, 12:11 PM
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probably a very old topic though Id like to leave some comments here...

His setup is still concert toms and I believe Gretsch makes them only on request now (with phil as one of the few customers...)

8PC PHIL COLLINS SET UP
NITRON BLACK (C-5508T) 5 1/2x8 Tom; (C-6510T) 6 1/2x10 Tom; (C-0812T) 8x12 Tom; (C-1215T) 12x15 Tom; (C-1616T) 16x16 Tom; (C-1818T) 18x18 Tom; (C-1420B) 14x20 Bass Drum; (C-04148NS) 4x14 MILLENNIUM MAPLE GLOSS SNARE;

(From the gretsch website...)

He hardly replaces the heads and he uses 5A sticks. Also, he's a very loud drummer so that might be one of the causes for his hearing loss...

Brand X and Genesis sure show how good he is and what this guy is capable of. Dukes travles, dodo, stuff from the lamb lies down on broadway, los endos, dance on a volcano, suppers ready, the musical box (genesis live has an awesome version !), the live versions of firth of fifth (especially the one from the 1992 tour), The in the cage medleys they did in the 80ies, driving the last spike, fading lights... All very good Genesis examples of what this guy is capable of...

The new tour has an awesome setlist with lots of drumming from the man, if you don't have tickets, go get them while some venues are still not sold out...
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Old 05-29-2007, 09:31 PM
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I don't think Phil botched Live Aid half as bad as PAge and Plant...they did enough on their own..I mean Page looks ....just....sick ........in that perfromance.
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Old 05-29-2007, 11:53 PM
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I don't think Phil botched Live Aid half as bad as PAge and Plant...they did enough on their own..I mean Page looks ....just....sick ........in that perfromance.
totally agree with this... Everyone blames phil but page and plant where the ones that really messed it up...
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:22 AM
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Default Rediscovering Phil Collins

With Genesis about to go back on the road again I'm getting back into them. I'm rediscovering the magic of Phil Collins' drumming all over again. Just listen to the one-two punch of "Behind The Lines" going right into "Duchess" on the Duke album. It really captures the energy and vibe of what he's putting into it. It also helps that they're great songs.

I'm not a fan of solo work or even singing to be frank and I didn't like it when Genesis became a pop machine. Call me a purist or snob but I still salute his brilliance as a drummer.

Would you say his gigantic fame has made his drumming legacy somewhat underrated?
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:06 PM
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Can any drummer out please clue me in to how Collins pulls off "Apocalypse in 9/8" in Genesis' Supper's Ready? I have tried memorizing it but realized after hearing multiple boots that he doesn't even follow what he recorded! The feel of the 9/8 is not even fluid.

Any pointers?
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Old 06-26-2007, 06:38 PM
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9/8 is indeed a tricky one. I made an mp3 just now of me playing it but its not good quality, I can still post it if you like. It also depends on what version you are listening to. If its 72-74 its going to be simpler because (as you know already) its only Phil by himself. From then on it got more intricate. If you want I can send you a clip of phil and chseter playing it in 86, it definitely doesn't sound smooth and flowing then (in a good way), Phil is throwing in all kinds of tom rolls and hi-hat accents over chester, Chester himself even goes off into the stratosphere on some of it.

Phil has always placed his fills in "odd" places, he might start a fill on the 5th beat and not finish it until the 3rd beat of the next measure, especially on 9/8. I'de suggest learning with he version on Foxtrot first and THEN when you're comfortable with that start adding the embellishments.
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Old 06-27-2007, 05:49 PM
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Anyone heard the "Frida- somethings going on" album? Phil on drums throughout, with his trademark sound and playing the best stuff ive heard from him. Very good drumming, v good album. If you like his drumming and sound, I highly reccomend it
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Old 06-27-2007, 06:36 PM
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What did he play on Selling England? Those drums (and cymbals by the way) sound super.

Not to mention the drumming itself. I just listened to Firth of Fifth again and he does an excellent job. Underrated like crazy.

EDIT: Sorry, nevermind. Just read the rest of the thread and got my answer.
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I went to see Genesis at Old Trafford in Manchester on saturday night, really good. There were two kits, on some instrumental bits he went on the drums and played. Near the end he did a little solo which was cool.

Stage and lighting was immense!
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I went to see Genesis at Old Trafford in Manchester on saturday night, really good. There were two kits, on some instrumental bits he went on the drums and played. Near the end he did a little solo which was cool.

Stage and lighting was immense!
I was there aswell!....what a great show.

He is the reason I started playing in the first place and Genesis have to be my favourite band of all time.............simply brilliant!
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Wow... Phil Collins is one of my fav drummers of all time. I haven't listened to Genesis very much, but i love his album "Hello! I Must Be Going!"... It's brilliant!
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Old 10-14-2007, 01:54 AM
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Phil Collins...yes...for me, the best drummer ever ! I know many will say: well you can't say one drummer is the best ever...true in a way, but in my humble opinion, and I can only speak from my own experience...Phil is truly on another level altogether.

For me, Phil has managed to find the perfect balance between technique and feel.
Many drummers may be technique beasts, but feel sterile and cold. Others have plenty of emotions, but lack in technique.

Phil can also play any style, and make it sound awesome! From the sound of His drums, to the emotions and fire He puts in his playing...even a simple 4/4. Matchless!

I have seen Phil solo, Big Band and Genesis altogether about 60 times, all over the world, from 87 and I have never been dissapointed!

On top of it all, I had the great fortune to meet Him quite a few times and He is a total gentleman. Kind, friendly and humble...incredible!

He is the one to whom I owe the discovery of my drumming abilities, and is my life inspiration.

I just got a replica of his classic Gretsch kit and it sounds and feel amazing. If you want to see me play on it for the first time, go to the links below. I did not even change the heads yet to remos, or removed the front BD head...could not wait! lol

I am playing right handed at the mo, but training myself to be able to play both left and right handed, so that I can play left handed (more faithful to the original ;)) in my next Genesis tribute band, currently forming in Maryland.

If you want to know more about what I do, go to www.myspace.com/phildas

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Old 11-29-2007, 12:36 AM
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Phil Collins is amazing. Really. Vastly superior to vaunted prog contemporary Carl Palmer. I even prefer his work to Bruford's. Selling England is a masterpiece of drums (and of music in general).

Speaking of Selling England, does anyone know how to count the intro the Firth of Fifth?
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Get "Sussudio" from The Phil Collins Big Band's only album "A Hot Night in Paris".
Simply amazing.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:50 AM
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Wow! I'm very new to the forum, but it's great to see Phil getting love and recognition as a drummer and musician... and not just a celeb! He is the reason I started playing drums. My Dad bought the video of Genesis on the Invisible Touch Tour in the late 80's. I wasn't into the band at all before I saw the video. But, when I was Phil and Chester going for it on the Drum Duet I was made! I said right there.. Dad I want to play drums that was incredible!! Genesis and Phil have been two of my favourites since! All hail Phil... ( and let's not forget Chester!!)

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Old 12-03-2007, 07:10 AM
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My personal take on Phil Collins is that I loved his work on all the old Genesis albums with Peter Gabriel. (Although, once Gabriel left, I didn't think Genesis was very interesting.) I always thought he was a great drummer.

But... I just totally can NOT stand him as a pop singer and front man!!!!!!!!! Or as a writer... all that Tarzan and Lion King soundtrack stuff? Yechhh!!!
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Anybody else likes his drumming on Dodo/Lurker from Abacab ? Power and finesse, intelligent fills, fat backbeat… Much heavier feel than his early Genesis intricate work, yet equally efficient
Dodo is a fantastic song.......agreed on the huge fat backbeat....pushes the song along nicely.
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Happy 57th birthday Phil! Your deep pocket and unique playing are still undeniable after all your years of playing.
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Nothing like bringing back an old thread!

I love Phil and he was my inspiration during the 80's when I discovered the early albums of Genesis and Brand X. People always want to give him crap for the "pop" stuff but geez, give him a break. Times change, people change, fads change. You can't deny his history or his chops. Too many people only know him from the ballads.

This is crappy quality but it is my favorite Brand X tune from Phil's time with the band:

"And so to F...."
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Get the cd "Live over Europe," I always get shivers down on the neck near the end of Dukes Travels (track5 CD1).

I was actually there at the concert too!!
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Apocalypse 9/8...ahead of it's time.
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Supper's Ready indeed!
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