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Old 07-01-2014, 05:32 AM
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I found a thread for him last dated 2009, so let's start fresh.

Tonight, my son and I went to the Drum Shop North Shore in Beverly, MA for a clinic with Danny Seraphine. He played great, along with tracks from Chicago as well as by himself. He was funny, gracious and imparted a lot of wisdom. There were a lot of fans there, drummers who had followed them from the late '60s. I only listened to their big older hits but also knew he had studied with Chuck Flores, Papa Jo Jones and was mentored by Grady Tate. I asked what it was like to study with Papa Jo and his eyes lit up. He just said, "Great...Amazing" pulled out a set of brushes and started playing.

He told some priceless stories about Buddy & Elvin, talked about the Slingerland Drum company and the heyday of the band. My son (who plays acoustic bass) didn't know much of anything about Chicago. But he got a charge out of listening to Danny's wisdom, his humbleness and kick ass groove.

I have a video of him playing but would like to get the OK before posting it.
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:23 AM
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Nice! Would love to meet him. His playing on the 1st few Chicago albums was so great.
Sadly the whole band got so soft and commercial in later 70's into the 80's.
What did he have to say about the Slingerland company?
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:31 AM
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I grew up in Chicago and was a big fan of the band. I actually gave a few lessons to his daughter who was just a lovely girl. She took me to a show and to meet Danny. It was the last tour he did with them. I don't things were very good at the time for him. I was happy to meet him none the less. As good as a drummer as Tris is, that band was never the same after Danny's departure. There is a great documentary about the early days of the band on youtube. If I remember I will try to post a link.
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:40 AM
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I read his book - it was a great read and he detailed what happened. It was kind of sad. But to me, the band really was different after the death of Terry Kath. It did kind of suck that he was fired after band members complained that his playing wasn't the same, when he could totally argue that he didn't complain when his band mates' playing weren't great due to their rehab, but that's the way it went.

I'm happy that he has started again and his CTA band is absolutely great. He has influenced so many drummers and the whole world knows Chicago was one of kind when he was in it. That band is kind of like the Beach Boys now, where there's only one guy (although there are at least three original members?) and everyone else is not original. My favorite Chicago albums are I, II, and V - those have been on my iPod for the last several months when I finally got them on CD to replace the vinyl records!

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Old 07-01-2014, 11:02 AM
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A true icon in the drum world. I have seen Chicago 21 times over the early years...about 18 times while Kath/Cetera/Seraphine were still in the band...5 nights at the Fillmore East alone, every night at Carnegie Hall for the GREAT Carnegie Hall Live album..

No band, and no drummer could ever match.

IMO, the band became a glorified lounge band with the lost of TK, the departures of PC and DS.

I tried to sit in concerts in more recent years, and the powerful soulfulness is no longer there. I found myself walking out on 2 occasions.

I have seen, via youtube, better tribute bands than the current lineup.

I have been following Danny's career since the late 60's...a TRUE INSPIRATION.

I have both CTA (California Transit) CD's and practice to both..after 50 years of drumming, still hard to emulate the GREAT Danny
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I met him here in Florida at a clinic and he is just a great guy. We talked afterward about anything but drumming. The clinic was very well structured and he told most of his history. If you get the chance....
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:36 PM
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Nice! Would love to meet him. His playing on the 1st few Chicago albums was so great.
Sadly the whole band got so soft and commercial in later 70's into the 80's.
What did he have to say about the Slingerland company?
Regarding Slingerland, not a real lot. Just his early memories of the company. This is just from what I can remember- Basically growing up in Chicago and with his first idol being Gene Krupa, Slingerland was it. A neighbor was a plant manager and took him on a tour of the company and later, before they were huge, he wanted all these endorsement deals (I forgot exactly what it was). They basically said, "yeah, right." Until he took some reps to see them in a stadium with a crowd of 125,000 and all of a sudden he's on the cover of catalogs and getting all this gear. He loved the company and relationship. But he lamented that they "they fell by the wayside". He went through one or two other companies. Now he's hugely into DW.
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Old 07-01-2014, 06:50 PM
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I got the OK to post this. It probably would have been OK anyway, since other people were taping it as well. But it was such a casual setting, I just wanted to make sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erEnPrGENpE
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Old 07-01-2014, 08:54 PM
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Hey, Thanks for posting that. Good stuff. Mr. Seraphine is one of my all-time favorite drummers, and Chicago is one of my favorite groups. I had to listen to his interview on "I'd Hit That" after I read this thread last night. I have to read his book, Street Player, now. It baffles me why he stepped away from the drums for 15 years. At least he came back to his senses, but he says he doesn't regret a thing.
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Old 07-01-2014, 10:51 PM
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Hey, Thanks for posting that. Good stuff. Mr. Seraphine is one of my all-time favorite drummers, and Chicago is one of my favorite groups. I had to listen to his interview on "I'd Hit That" after I read this thread last night. I have to read his book, Street Player, now. It baffles me why he stepped away from the drums for 15 years. At least he came back to his senses, but he says he doesn't regret a thing.
Well, not to give away anything in the book, but he wrote about feeling lost when the band let him go - imagine that, you founded the band and they fire you (sorta' like Dennis DeYoung in a way). Plus he had alot of personal issues to deal with, and children he hadn't seen or taken care of. And it's funny as you get older, years go by before you notice you haven't picked up the sticks!
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:02 AM
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I have met Danny on three different occasions with a local Chicago tribute band, and his own band, CTA. What a tremendous musician, and warm, appreciative guy. I couldn't thank him enough for the effort he made when I ordered a personally signed pair of his Pro-Mark sticks which had gotten lost in the mail. Danny himself took another pair to the post office and mailed them, while I was on the phone with his assistant. If you get a chance, check out his two recent releases with his new band...totally awesome. His DVD isn't too shabby either! I look forward to seeing him again soon!
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Old 07-02-2014, 08:38 AM
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I got the OK to post this. It probably would have been OK anyway, since other people were taping it as well. But it was such a casual setting, I just wanted to make sure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erEnPrGENpE
Thank you for posting that. I love to watch Danny play and to see him currently is even more of a treat. He was one of my longest inspirations in drumming from the beginning of hearing him play way back when even to today. Buddy Rich said in a 70s interview that DS was one of only several rock players he thought were innovative at the time.
This whole recent strings of posts has reactivated my interest in him and I even bought the Kindle book.
Here's another link to Danny playing 25 or 6 to 4:
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Old 07-02-2014, 06:04 PM
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Good thread JohnW and great drumming! My father was a Chicago fan growing up and played the sax, I was into hard rock, punk, and metal though. As I became older I truly found out how great the musicianship was.

As an aside, I played all of those Cetera piano pieces at recitals then played them at home on the drums. But wasn't mentally attached to Mr. Seraphine's name.

Years ago, I read a MD article - maybe 2006 or 2007- where Danny Seraphine said he came back to drumming? I checked Wiki and didn't find much from 1990 to 2006. Did he take a hiatus there?
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Old 07-02-2014, 09:48 PM
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Frankly, I don't get it. I'm just not a fan of Danny Seraphine. I always found his playing overly busy and annoyingly showy. The needlessly-hyper bass drum patterns on 'Old Days' drive me nuts. I understand that coming from a jazz rock background drums are, overall, much busier than standard rock or blues beats, but there's a time to pull back a bit in just about every song ever written. Mitch Mitchell - another rock drummer rooted in jazz - understood this; Danny Seraphine, to my ears, does not.

Given my username and avatar, I'm sure some will assume I'm just 'anti-chops', or only a fan of stripped-down drumming a la AC/DC, the Ramones, etc. Not the case. Stewart Copeland's busy style was what first attracted me to drumming, and I'm a huge fan of 'busy' drummers like Keith Moon, Bill Ward, and the aforementioned Mr. Mitchell. But it's how the 'busyness' is applied that makes the difference.

I've read interviews with Mr. Seraphine and he seems quite likeable and intelligent. He often offers some very interesting insights into both drumming in general, and his time with Chicago in particular. I want to like his drumming.

But I don't.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:09 PM
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Frankly, I don't get it. I'm just not a fan of Danny Seraphine. I always found his playing overly busy and annoyingly showy. The needlessly-hyper bass drum patterns on 'Old Days' drive me nuts. I understand that coming from a jazz rock background drums are, overall, much busier than standard rock or blues beats, but there's a time to pull back a bit in just about every song ever written. Mitch Mitchell - another rock drummer rooted in jazz - understood this; Danny Seraphine, to my ears, does not.

Given my username and avatar, I'm sure some will assume I'm just 'anti-chops', or only a fan of stripped-down drumming a la AC/DC, the Ramones, etc. Not the case. Stewart Copeland's busy style was what first attracted me to drumming, and I'm a huge fan of 'busy' drummers like Keith Moon, Bill Ward, and the aforementioned Mr. Mitchell. But it's how the 'busyness' is applied that makes the difference.

I've read interviews with Mr. Seraphine and he seems quite likeable and intelligent. He often offers some very interesting insights into both drumming in general, and his time with Chicago in particular. I want to like his drumming.

But I don't.
I'm cool with you ;)

That's why this place is a forum - so people can exchange ideas. There's alot of drummers (and people in general) that I don't like. I don't try to change anybody's mind - they have to discover stuff for themselves. At least you listened and discovered you're not into it, which is much more than some people do these days.
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Can someone give me a quick tutorial in how to play the intro fills to Questions 67 And 68 ? in layman's terms ?
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:45 PM
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Frankly, I don't get it. I'm just not a fan of Danny Seraphine. I always found his playing overly busy and annoyingly showy. The needlessly-hyper bass drum patterns on 'Old Days' drive me nuts. I understand that coming from a jazz rock background drums are, overall, much busier than standard rock or blues beats, but there's a time to pull back a bit in just about every song ever written. Mitch Mitchell - another rock drummer rooted in jazz - understood this; Danny Seraphine, to my ears, does not.

Given my username and avatar, I'm sure some will assume I'm just 'anti-chops', or only a fan of stripped-down drumming a la AC/DC, the Ramones, etc. Not the case. Stewart Copeland's busy style was what first attracted me to drumming, and I'm a huge fan of 'busy' drummers like Keith Moon, Bill Ward, and the aforementioned Mr. Mitchell. But it's how the 'busyness' is applied that makes the difference.

I've read interviews with Mr. Seraphine and he seems quite likeable and intelligent. He often offers some very interesting insights into both drumming in general, and his time with Chicago in particular. I want to like his drumming.

But I don't.
Hmm. You mention "Old Days" (one of my most hated songs, I don't know if anybody could have saved that Peter Cetera nonsense). Do you find Seraphine's drumming to be bad on all, or most songs? Like "Beginnings" or "25 or 6 to 4"? I would say both of those songs benefit from his approach to drumming.

I met Seraphine at one of his drummer shows, he seems nice and friendly but is definitely an opinionated guy. That group (Chicago) had some serious rivalries and anger going on behind the scenes, I wouldn't be surprised if Seraphine just found "Old Days" boring or lame (apparently Cetera hated the song too) and thought he'd just have fun, like that guitarist on Radiohead's "Creep". Or maybe he couldn't think of anything to fit the song and just started pounding the drums.
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:07 AM
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Can someone give me a quick tutorial in how to play the intro fills to Questions 67 And 68 ? in layman's terms ?
It's just triplets with the first note of each triplet played on a tom, and the rest on the snare. It's only one bar long.
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Old 07-03-2014, 12:58 AM
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I'm a huge fan of 'busy' drummers like Keith Moon, Bill Ward, and the aforementioned Mr. Mitchell.
I take some of your points, but how is Bill Ward busy?

Seraphine is pretty jazz, even big band style. While I gave up long long ago on their later 70's commercial schmalz, the playing on the first Chicago album is a real showcase of both drumming taste and ability (i.e. chops)
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:21 AM
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I found a thread for him last dated 2009, so let's start fresh.

Tonight, my son and I went to the Drum Shop North Shore in Beverly, MA for a clinic with Danny Seraphine. He played great, along with tracks from Chicago as well as by himself. He was funny, gracious and imparted a lot of wisdom. There were a lot of fans there, drummers who had followed them from the late '60s. I only listened to their big older hits but also knew he had studied with Chuck Flores, Papa Jo Jones and was mentored by Grady Tate. I asked what it was like to study with Papa Jo and his eyes lit up. He just said, "Great...Amazing" pulled out a set of brushes and started playing.

He told some priceless stories about Buddy & Elvin, talked about the Slingerland Drum company and the heyday of the band. My son (who plays acoustic bass) didn't know much of anything about Chicago. But he got a charge out of listening to Danny's wisdom, his humbleness and kick ass groove.

I have a video of him playing but would like to get the OK before posting it.
I am sure I was one of the few who commented in the old thread.....Danny (besides my dad) is. by far my greatest influence and my favorite drummer of all time. I finally got a chance to talk with him in person back in 2006 after he had put his then new band CTA together.
As everyone else has said, he couldn't have been nicer, more humble and genuine. I saw them again a few days later in Philly in a small venue and it was quite a show. You could tell he was a little rusty from the layoff, but he still played with the great passion that sets him apart from many drummers. I saw him at a drum clinic in Atlanta three years ago and the rust was gone and the fire had intensified! I was a little surprised when he called me by name and remembered where I lived and other things. To me it just reinforces what a sincere, genuine man he really is!
If you get a chance to see his band CTA. do it, all world class players. They would blow current day "Chicago" off the stage! Thanks for posting JohnW!!

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I take some of your points, but how is Bill Ward busy?

Seraphine is pretty jazz, even big band style. While I gave up long long ago on their later 70's commercial schmalz, the playing on the first Chicago album is a real showcase of both drumming taste and ability (i.e. chops)
Maybe he's thinking of something like "War Pigs", which has a decidedly jazzy intro and some fun, crazy fills.
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Funny, I tended to find Mitch Mitchell's style distracting with Hendrix, while Seraphine seemed to fit perfectly in his genre. Forty-five years ago and I can still hear his patterns, fills and segues in my head. He left quite a stamp on modern music.
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panop- It would be great to see that documentary if you get the chance.

Bo Eder- I was going to get his book Street Player but by the time I finished talking to a few people while we were there, they were all sold out. It does sound like he got kind of a raw deal. But there was no complaining from him at the clinic. He just seemed psyched to play and talk.

And to your second point Bo, about years going by and not picking up a pair of sticks: His playing wasn't perfect. He would occasionally stop a track and start over and he lamented when one of his feet would lag while playing a fill, "Where's Steve Smith when you need him!" and then he'd work it in and fix it. But it was such an intimate, relaxed atmosphere, like you were in his kitchen, that it was refreshing that he showed everything; the beautiful and the warts! Plus, he just came in cold, without warming up and jumped in on a set that was hanging around the front of the store.

Gcort49- You're what they call "hardcore"! There were a few people at the clinic like that and that's what impressed my son. Here is a guy who is living history, but was so upfront and personable.

Midnite Zephyr- He said basically the same thing, no regrets and that he had been blessed with his career; that he was truly fortunate.

Supraman5x14- That was my impression of him. He would go the extra mile to give an autograph or a bit of advice. I will have to check out his more recent CTA releases, though I did get his instructional DVD and a pair of his sticks with the grip indentation.

newoldie- You're welcome! It's funny, because I hadn't really thought of him over the last several years. And now I'm starting to dig in (and really dig) his playing.

Brian- There was a father and son at the clinic like you; the dad was totally into Chicago from the beginning and his son got into drumming from that. His son was about 30 years old. To your other point, I believe he started playing again around 2006.

philrudd- We need to have a "drum beer summit" sometime! As Bo said, it's a place where people can exchange ideas. It would be kind of boring if we all liked the same stuff. But I would say what makes (especially his earlier playing) him not sound busy to my ears, is that he always had a heavy groove underneath, no matter how intricate his snare and tom work was. And like Drumsinhisheart mentioned, I actually find Mitch Mitchell's work to be a bit busy, though I still like his work. I like Buddy Miles' playing with Hendrix a lot more, because he lays into the time. I remember reading a Modern Drummer interview with Mitch where he lamented a gap in his training. He wished he could have had some formal lessons with a jazz teacher from the States.

AllTheCoolNamesAreTaken- I can see how some of the later, schmaltzier stuff could turn people off. There's a scene in "Shawn of The Dead", where Shawn gets dumped by his girlfriend and he's drowning his sorrows at the local pub. When his buddy tries to cheer him up, the juke box plays "If you leave me now..."

gf2564- Sorry to not have restarted that thread! I had no idea that someone here would remember it! And you're right. The passion he had; the real love of being up there, even though there were fewer than 25 people; he seemed just as excited as if it were an arena.
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Ok so first link is for the short 20min or so documentary:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Xw5qXIlrA

The second is a full length concert from 1970. You really see that Terry was the heart and soul of that band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWKt...=RDa3Xw5qXIlrA

I really have to disagree about DS being too busy. For this band, his feel and energy were spot on. As I stated seeing the with Tris bored me to death.
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Hmm. You mention "Old Days" (one of my most hated songs, I don't know if anybody could have saved that Peter Cetera nonsense). Do you find Seraphine's drumming to be bad on all, or most songs? Like "Beginnings" or "25 or 6 to 4"? I would say both of those songs benefit from his approach to drumming.

I met Seraphine at one of his drummer shows, he seems nice and friendly but is definitely an opinionated guy. That group (Chicago) had some serious rivalries and anger going on behind the scenes, I wouldn't be surprised if Seraphine just found "Old Days" boring or lame (apparently Cetera hated the song too) and thought he'd just have fun, like that guitarist on Radiohead's "Creep". Or maybe he couldn't think of anything to fit the song and just started pounding the drums.
'Old Days' is a more glaring example. '25 or 6 to 4' - meh, not as offensive, but it still sounds 'frilly' to me. One example that jumps to mind is Chicago's version of 'I'm a Man'. I'm a big fan of the Spencer Davis version, but I find the Chicago version hard to listen to, and the drumming is definitely a big reason for this.

Truth to tell, I've never been much of a Chicago fan anyway, so for me, ol' Danny was probably behind the eight ball from the get go.
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Maybe he's thinking of something like "War Pigs", which has a decidedly jazzy intro and some fun, crazy fills.
Bingo.

Ward's obviously not as busy as the other gentlemen I mentioned, but for the 'monolithic metal' genre (which he helped create), he adds a lot of little flourishes that probably wouldn't even be attempted by later 'heavy' bands. And though he moved towards a more straightforward style as the 70's progressed, the first few albums are much looser, almost freewheeling - as would be the case when founding a new style of music. (Ward himself described his playing as more 'colorful' than 'groove oriented'.)

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Seraphine is pretty jazz, even big band style. While I gave up long long ago on their later 70's commercial schmalz, the playing on the first Chicago album is a real showcase of both drumming taste and ability (i.e. chops)
Well, that's why they say taste is subjective.

I won't deny his ability - he does things on the drums that I'll never be able to do. My point is that I wouldn't WANT to do those things.
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I'm cool with you ;)

That's why this place is a forum - so people can exchange ideas. There's alot of drummers (and people in general) that I don't like. I don't try to change anybody's mind - they have to discover stuff for themselves. At least you listened and discovered you're not into it, which is much more than some people do these days.
Much appreciated.

I was certainly curious to see if anyone else on this forum shared my views on Seraphine. Looks like that's a big, fat 'NO!' But hey, I regularly read someone posting a disparaging comment about Ringo or my boy Phil, so I guess we all have to take our turn.
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:54 PM
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Funny, I tended to find Mitch Mitchell's style distracting with Hendrix, while Seraphine seemed to fit perfectly in his genre. Forty-five years ago and I can still hear his patterns, fills and segues in my head. He left quite a stamp on modern music.
As you say, funny; it's the exact opposite for me. Part of the reason I dread seeing a Hendrix cover band is because absolutely no one I've seen has been able to recapture what Mitch added to the Experience. His drum parts are, in my opinion, just as essential to the final product as Jimi's guitar (sacrilege!).

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philrudd- We need to have a "drum beer summit" sometime! As Bo said, it's a place where people can exchange ideas. It would be kind of boring if we all liked the same stuff. But I would say what makes (especially his earlier playing) him not sound busy to my ears, is that he always had a heavy groove underneath, no matter how intricate his snare and tom work was. And like Drumsinhisheart mentioned, I actually find Mitch Mitchell's work to be a bit busy, though I still like his work. I like Buddy Miles' playing with Hendrix a lot more, because he lays into the time. I remember reading a Modern Drummer interview with Mitch where he lamented a gap in his training. He wished he could have had some formal lessons with a jazz teacher from the States.
I can dig it - different strokes and all that. Though I'm certain we share the same opinion on more drummers than we differ. Seraphine's just one of those drummers that most in the percussive community absolutely revere, while I'm just on a different wavelength.
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Old 07-04-2014, 12:13 AM
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Ok so first link is for the short 20min or so documentary:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Xw5qXIlrA

The second is a full length concert from 1970. You really see that Terry was the heart and soul of that band.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWKt...=RDa3Xw5qXIlrA

I really have to disagree about DS being too busy. For this band, his feel and energy were spot on. As I stated seeing the with Tris bored me to death.
That was a cool documentary. I'm going to watch the concert footage later. I've seen a few selections of that 1970 Tanglewood show as well as a full show by The Who there. Both bands were on fire- probably some combination of the year and being in Western MA.

Now that I remember it, someone at the clinic claimed to be at that show and said how amazing it was. Danny mentioned that it was just one small example of the magic during that entire time period.
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Old 07-04-2014, 02:09 AM
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Much appreciated.

I was certainly curious to see if anyone else on this forum shared my views on Seraphine. Looks like that's a big, fat 'NO!' But hey, I regularly read someone posting a disparaging comment about Ringo or my boy Phil, so I guess we all have to take our turn.
I'm also fan of AC/DC and I honestly don't think anyone could have played those tracks better than Phil. Somebody gave me that live album they did with Chris Slade (is that right? I don't quite remember) playing the drums and, although a live album, lacked something for me ;)

However, I don't think Phil or Ringo care what people say about them - they're laughing all the way to the bank. To this day!
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Old 07-04-2014, 03:30 AM
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I'm also fan of AC/DC and I honestly don't think anyone could have played those tracks better than Phil. Somebody gave me that live album they did with Chris Slade (is that right? I don't quite remember) playing the drums and, although a live album, lacked something for me ;)

However, I don't think Phil or Ringo care what people say about them - they're laughing all the way to the bank. To this day!
Damn straight!

And yep, that's Slade on the 'Razor's Edge' and 'From Donington' live albums. I'm not so sure it's a coincidence that it wasn't long after the Donington album that Malcolm called Phil about jamming; I think he realized the same thing you did after listening.

And again, that's no slight against Slade, one of my all-time favorite drummers. It's just that Phil Rudd IS the drummer for AC/DC. (From all accounts, even Slade understood that, leaving on amicable terms - what a guy!)

I now relinquish my stranglehold on this thread. Seraphine fans, please continue.
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Old 07-04-2014, 06:25 PM
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Love Danny. At around age 10 he was the first drummer that I actually sat up and took notice too. (At that point, I hadn't discovered yet that Hal Blaine was the guy who really influenced me).

Danny is a big influence. I loved all the jazz guys who did rock.

Terry Kath was also a favorite. What a tragic loss. It was an accident according to something I read recently. I thought for the longest time that it was a suicide while playing Russian Roulette.

Jimi Hendrix liked Terry's playing and said so.
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Old 07-07-2014, 10:45 PM
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Ever happen to you live? Looks like Danny's ride cymbal wing-nut got lost on the floor while changing his cymbal and adjusting the stand in-between songs.
I've been wanting to upgrade my stock ones to a clip on type for faster on and off, perhaps easier to spot on the floor as well!
http://youtu.be/zWKtVzzWo4U?t=22m8s
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:45 PM
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Ever happen to you live? Looks like Danny's ride cymbal wing-nut got lost on the floor while changing his cymbal and adjusting the stand in-between songs.
I've been wanting to upgrade my stock ones to a clip on type for faster on and off, perhaps easier to spot on the floor as well!
http://youtu.be/zWKtVzzWo4U?t=22m8s
Although the sound quality is rough by today's standards, this is a great vintage 1970 show of what the original Chicago band was and not what most think of when their name is mentioned. They were great musicians from top to bottom with the great foundation of Terry Kath on guitar Peter Cetera (yes he could rock/play before the ballads!) on bass and the great Danny Seraphine on drums!
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Old 07-08-2014, 07:05 PM
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Well Phil, everyone does have their own opinions and that is what makes the world interesting. I can understand if Danny is not your "kind of drummer" and you have every right to have and voice that opinion. What I have a little more trouble understanding is........After you admittedly are annoyed when some regularly post disparaging remarks about Ringo and "your boy" Phil, yet you come on to this thread (that yes, has been all pro-Seraphine) and feel the need to make multiple post about how you don't like his playing. One post to voice your opinion sure, but to continue with other post when no one has really tried to debate you and have been very respectful (rightfully so) of your position; I do have a hard time understanding your need to try and reinforce that opinion and/or change others' opinion. Then you try and justify it by saying......"so I guess we all have to take our turn"?? No, we don't all have to take our turn, people need to quit being so judgmental and critical of fellow drummers! I have some that really do it for me and others who don't inspire me, but that doesn't mean I am going to dog them out; I just choose not to listen to them! End of rant...
I replied multiple times because I received multiple questions regarding my initial statement...it's all well documented above. I'm not trying to influence anyone's opinion; rather, if I get a response, it seems only proper to address the person responding, especially if they ask a question. Guess I was just raised right.

Never once claimed to be 'annoyed' by remarks about Ringo/Phil. I've read many posts knocking these two and never even bothered to respond. I don't have to agree with the sentiment to enjoy reading a post, and despite your plea for peace, I rather enjoy hearing different perspectives, especially regarding players in the 'drummer's canon' (Bonham, Moon, etc.).

Again, I don't have to agree with the perspective, but when someone calls out a guy like Stewart Copeland - one of my all-time favorites and the initial reason I got into drumming - I think it forces me to take a look at some of my less-questioned assumptions about players and playing, and analyze whether the person making the critique is, in fact, making a valid point. (The opposite is also true. Case in point - I've never been a fan of Vinnie Appice, but someone posted a link to an early recording on his thread, and that single instance absolutely had me 're-assess my assessment'. That's what these boards are for, after all - information exchange.)

So you'd prefer a forum where everyone agrees on everything? Sounds dull. I'd argue that if you find 'judgemental' posts so offensive, you'd do well to avoid public forums that solicit opinions from anyone who cares to contribute. You never know what kind of insane, derelict, Danny-Seraphine-hating cretins such a thing might attract.

This thread is about Danny Seraphine and his work. It invited feedback, so I gave some. If that bothers you, just skip my posts. Easy.
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Old 07-09-2014, 02:39 AM
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No, we don't all have to take our turn, people need to quit being so judgmental and critical of fellow drummers!
I certainly didn't put those words in your mouth. (Damn that 'Quote' feature!) Again: if criticism offends you, stay off the internet.

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I don't know you so I can't comment on whether you were raised right......I will say you can have/state different perspectives in a diplomatic way and still get your point across; takes a little more work/tact, but it can be done.
Sounds like you have your work cut out for you. So far, not so good: just look at the first quote above. If that's what you call 'tactful'...shame on your school system.

Hey, if you don't want a pissing contest, don't start one. Me, I LOVE finishing what others start. But ask yourself one question: why were you the only respondent in this thread that decided to take my post so personally? Everyone else responded with a measured, respectful, but opposing viewpoint - well in keeping with the tone of my posts. You, on the other hand, sounded like Gloria Steinem (look her up).

And don't kid yourself: you'll be reading each and every post I make from here on out. Starting with this one.
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Old 07-09-2014, 04:38 AM
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Danny Seraphines drumming was a big part of chicagos music sound. His drumming was outstanding and he drove those songs. He had the chops to compliment the music creating excitment and energy to the music. I dont consider him a busy drummer, but I do consider him a working drummer. He worked the songs. The music and his playing speaks for itself. He is a great drummer to listen too and to learn from.
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