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Old 04-12-2008, 09:27 PM
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Default MAY Internal Microphones

Is there anyone out there who has any kind of experience soundwise with MAY internal microphones ? I have a Ludwig Bonham Vistalite kit as my main live kit with a Shure beta 52 in the kick drum that sounds killer and right now I'm thinking of buying some May XL57SD for the Toms....The bassdrum is one thing, but toms and a metal snare is another thing. I'm not sure It's gonna sound good with acrylic shells. I'm happy for all info I can get because It's not easy to find anything about this topic and when you find it - It's usually drums in smaller sizes and made of wood...

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Old 04-12-2008, 11:42 PM
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Bad idea. Not only will it look crappy, you don't want stress on the acylic and no way extra holes or connections that could scratch the drum up. Internal mic'ing is not all its cracked up to be, especially on the snare. Also its not the sound Bonham got.
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Old 04-17-2008, 06:15 PM
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I'm not a fan of the sound of internal mics at all for toms or snare.

I have heard some ok results, but more bad ones where the drums just sound like crap.

The only drum that ever sounded "good" was the kick.

I talked to some real good sound guy's about them (because I was thinking of one for my kick---wanted to go back to a full front head), and none of them were big fans of that system.

They said it was more work than needed to get a good sound compared to regular mics.
These guys know my drums, and the sound I go for, and said I shouldn't waste the money.

Les is right, in Acrylic drums, the stress of a mic like a 52...I'd be concerned about it.

It's not the way Bonham got his sound at all...you've seen his pics....you know....

I wouldn't put one in the snare for sure, that would sound like suck, and you'd most likely spend all your bands live sound check time hitting your snare.

On the snare, a 57 always sounds great, or the Audix Micro-D is a really great one.

On my 26, I use a D112, and it sounds really fantastic, but if you have a 52 and dig it, you're pretty well set.

The Audix D-6 is also a great mic on a 26, even with a full front head like a D112 is.

Simon Phillips uses 52's in his kick with full front heads, but ,he has a traveling sound guy, and is also a seasoned studio engineer.

Simons 16X24" Tama Starclassic kicks used on the '07 tour:





But at the show my band opened for Toto, he was asking me about my kick drum, and what I did to get the sound.

He loved my kit, and especially my bass drum sound.
Got the "thumbs up" on my playing too, which didn't suck haha!.

I'm not saying that to toot my own horn, just that I use a small 4" port, and they used a 52 on the kick, which is what you have.

You'll get a great sound without having a May system.

Have fun with your Jonas "Bonham" kit...but, I know you are!
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Old 04-23-2008, 08:27 AM
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Is there anyone out there who has any kind of experience soundwise with MAY internal microphones ? I have a Ludwig Bonham Vistalite kit as my main live kit with a Shure beta 52 in the kick drum that sounds killer and right now I'm thinking of buying some May XL57SD for the Toms....The bassdrum is one thing, but toms and a metal snare is another thing. I'm not sure It's gonna sound good with acrylic shells. I'm happy for all info I can get because It's not easy to find anything about this topic and when you find it - It's usually drums in smaller sizes and made of wood...

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You have heard from the naysayers but I do use them and the engineers I work with like them! And I actually give them the choice of what they prefer to use! I use a D112 on the Kick my 15" tom and SM57s on the 10" and 12". It is all in the hands of the guys who run sound. You will get better separation and less bleed thru form the other mics.

However, I would agree that the stress it MIGHT place on your acrylic shells would not be worth the risk. The internal mic on the snare actually works best if you point it at the bottom head and run a mic externally on the top head but this seems redundant to me in a live situation. Moreover, it isn't the mic - it is how it is used!

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Old 04-23-2008, 09:25 AM
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Well,

You have heard from the naysayers but I do use them and the engineers I work with like them! And I actually give them the choice of what they prefer to use! I use a D112 on the Kick my 15" tom and SM57s on the 10" and 12". It is all in the hands of the guys who run sound. You will get better separation and less bleed thru form the other mics.

However, I would agree that the stress it MIGHT place on your acrylic shells would not be worth the risk. The internal mic on the snare actually works best if you point it at the bottom head and run a mic externally on the top head but this seems redundant to me in a live situation. Moreover, it isn't the mic - it is how it is used!

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I have had nothing BUT compliments on my internal mics. Placement is everything!!!! All of mine are actually pointed at the bottom heads which was determined after A/B testing in a studio. If done right, they can make life a whole lot easier.

Whether or not your shells can take the stress, I would contact the manufacturer. If it is a reissue, then I think RCI are making the shells for Ludwig. Here's their website: http://www.rcistarlite.com/

No this isn't how Bonham did it, but with time and patience, you should be able to get the sound you want...

Good luck...
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Old 04-23-2008, 06:10 PM
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Well, it's good to know they work well for some people, and the way you guys have them placed is good info too.
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Old 04-24-2008, 03:24 PM
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I only like MAY Ea on the kick drum. Horrible on snare and tom toms.
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Default Re: MAY Internal Microphones

Have you guys seen these new UKKO contact mics?
http://www.b-band.com/ukko/
They look like an awesome solution, but I'm not sure about using them on acrylics. I haven't heard them yet, but I know the manufacturer makes nice stuff (acoustic guitar pickups, etc.)
They are what Bozzio uses on his piccolo toms now.
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