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Old 03-30-2008, 02:38 PM
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Default How to amputate a hi-hat?

I'm an ignorant dork when it comes to futzing with my gear..
( wish I had the skills of Baz n' Harry and all you other mechanical geniuses ......)

I was trying to figure out how to turn my hi- hat ( TAMA ) into a 2 legged beast?

The leg seems to be bolted , right? Is there a right way to unbolt it? There are no screws to undo, so I'm a little lost.

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P.s. I dont have a basement full of power tools , so thats not an option

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Old 03-30-2008, 03:04 PM
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Mmmm. That, my friend, is a rivet. Only way that is coming apart, would be with a drill and a drill-bit approximately the diameter of the rivet itself. I'd bet there is at least one more on the same leg somewhere in the middle on the way down to the foot....and then something holding it to the base. Without power tools, it could be a ringer of a job. I would consider how much your time is worth and consider what a new stand would run.

Although, I am like you...always trying to make things work. Here was my solution to making a three-leg..to a no-leg.



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AD thats a rivet and you need to punch it out with a metal rod of sorts, or a punch and an 8 pound sledge, or a medium sized hammer.
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:11 PM
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AD thats a rivet and you need to punch it out with a metal rod of sorts, or a punch and an 8 pound sledge, or a medium sized hammer.
Thanks, SS n' GD. GD, punch it out from which end?

The red arrow or the yellow one? Sorry if I sound like an idiot
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:33 PM
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Aydee, you do realize that your hi hat stand will not be able to stand up on it's own once you have cut that leg off don't you?
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:36 PM
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Aydee, you do realize that your hi hat stand will not be able to stand up on it's own once you have cut that leg off don't you?
Would it not balance once I twist the other two legs in a position to form a perfect triangle with the footboard?
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:42 PM
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Would it not balance once I twist the other two legs in a position to form a perfect triangle with the footboard?
I doubt so. Most bipod stands are specially designed for the foot board section to act as a third leg. This is not the case with classic stands - if you remove one of the legs the stand will just collapse.

In my opinion it would be better to either fold up the legs and use a clamp like Sticksnstonesrus, or simply buy a bipod stand you have the money.
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Old 03-30-2008, 04:36 PM
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I doubt so. Most bipod stands are specially designed for the foot board section to act as a third leg. This is not the case with classic stands - if you remove one of the legs the stand will just collapse.

In my opinion it would be better to either fold up the legs and use a clamp like Sticksnstonesrus, or simply buy a bipod stand you have the money.
Ah well, theres goes my 1st futz project..... maybe I'll just leave well enough alone. Thanks for the insight, DH.
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Old 03-30-2008, 04:44 PM
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If you hihat doesn't have a base plate, this is a bad idea.

I did this to mine and really regret it, now I have to use an "arm" to attach the hihat post to my cymbal stand or else it wobbles too much and doesn't stand straight.
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Old 03-30-2008, 04:59 PM
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Yea, that too bad.. I've managed to twist the legs enough to get my hats & the x-pedal pretty much where I want them.. a few inches more would have been perfect. Thats how much I'm falling short...I mean the hi-hat pedal..
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And it would be the red end to punch.
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Old 03-30-2008, 06:05 PM
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I have a 'swivel-foot' stand, an old Iron Cobra stand, I bought it for 30 on Marktplaats (Dutch Ebay). You could always look into that. Highly adjustable stand. Not as great as a Eliminator, but those have different cams, so that's cheating :-p.
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Ah well, theres goes my 1st futz project..... maybe I'll just leave well enough alone. Thanks for the insight, DH.
This mod has also been covered at http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...t=23501&page=2 (see the entries at 2-27-07 and 06-08-07). I removed all the legs from a hihat stand and clamped it to a two-legged cymbal stand. Instead of seven points of contact, I have three. This is a lot more radical than what you are proposing, but the principles are the same.

Show us a picture of you hihat stand base and I can tell you if it would would stand up with just two legs. For you, the hard part will be removing the rivets. You will need at least a power drill, correct bit and a vise to hold it. I would not advise using a rivet pin remover - drum hardware is made out of fairly soft, low-grade metal and you'd risk bending something if you banged on it with a sledgehammer.

If this is done correctly, it is completely reversible. You just use bolts and lock nuts in place of the rivets. I restored my old Tama stand like this after I got a DW5000 to replace it.
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Old 03-30-2008, 07:08 PM
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Wow, there you go, great modifications there, DMC! Not sure how well this will work for me, with my rack right in that spot. Food for thought though.I'd love to get my feet just right Thanks..

p.s. . Its a standard Tama iron cobra hi -hat with the clamp at the base . No floor plate, if thats what youre wondering.
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:09 PM
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Without a floor plate, I wouldn't "go" there. I had a 3 legged DW 5000 hi-hat WITH a floor plate, that I bought used. One of the legs was attached with nuts and bolts instead of rivets, so I removed it. It fell over. So I can only figure it was not a "factory convertible" 3 leg to 2. Someone did a "home conversion" that didn't work. So even if the hi-hat stand HAS a a floor plate, it could be a crap shoot. I've had 2 different legless hi-hat stands over the years, and they work great.
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Old 03-31-2008, 05:03 AM
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...Namate my Friend.

Could you please take a picture of your hihat stand showing the foot board ? there may be a way to do this conversion that is easier than you think.

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Old 03-31-2008, 05:38 AM
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Barry, its namaSte for future reference : )

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Old 03-31-2008, 07:20 AM
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You'd have to fabricate/buy a solid floor plate first. That wire/skeletal unit will just fold up on you. After bolting on a solid floor plate, and removing a leg, it's still a gamble if it will work or not. It could add up to a lot of work for non-working results.
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:27 PM
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For everything it's going to take to make that hi-hat stand work as free-standing two-leg, you might as well buy a new one. There is definitely pride in ones own creations...I just can't see the justification in trying to make that conversion happen.

It's be cheaper still to just get a stand-to-stand or rack-to-stand clamp and just not put the legs down or drill the rivets off completely and be leg-less. For less work and money.

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Old 03-31-2008, 03:08 PM
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I hear you guys loud & clear. You guys are too polite to say I'm being an ass.

So this is the official " I'm bagging the idea" post. I wait to buy the right hat.........which might be a while since I already own 3!!!!! (1 gig kit/1 home kit/ 1 vintage.. dont want to mess with the other two )

Life's such a mess...

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I hear you guys loud & clear. You guys are too polite to say I'm being an ass.

So this is the official " I'm bagging the idea" post. I wait to buy the right hat.........which might be a while since I already own 3!!!!! (1 gig kit/1 home kit/ 1 vintage.. dont want to mess with the other two )

Life's such a mess...
It's a good idea and has been done many time before but you don't have the right equipment to go two-legged.

Do you have a cymbal stand close enough to your hihat to where you could clamp the hihat stand to the cymbal stand? Then you could have a legless hihat stand and the type of floor plate wouldn't matter.
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This will do the deal when going leg less. http://www.interstatemusic.com/webap...gory_rn=40732#
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It's a good idea and has been done many time before but you don't have the right equipment to go two-legged.

Do you have a cymbal stand close enough to your hihat to where you could clamp the hihat stand to the cymbal stand? Then you could have a legless hihat stand and the type of floor plate wouldn't matter.
Thanks, Harry and DMC. DMC, is that Cymbal stand attached hi- hat, as firm and solid as one one a tripod legs?

off topic - here is an inspiring mod you guys might appreciate
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Old 04-01-2008, 01:47 PM
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...Namaste.

Oops, forgot the "S" before and did not proof read my thread.

Aydee. There is a cheap easy way to convert your stand, without the need for a shop full of power tools or an engineering degree. I need to find the right parts that I know exist in a hardware store. If you would, could you please take a shot of your pedal from underneath the foot plate. I have to see how your base rod assembly screws into your heel plate.

I love a good hardware mod challenge.

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Old 04-01-2008, 02:33 PM
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Ok Barry, heres goes. A) and B) are my ancient TAMA hi-hat ( a wonderful workhorse ) and C) & D) is my newer TAMAs...

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