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Old 03-10-2008, 09:58 AM
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What size of sticks are were popular with Jazz drummers, let's say, in the bebop era?
Currently I got vater new Orleans Jazz sticks:)
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I'm from the be-bob era, but I wasn't a drummer then. I use Regal Tip 7A and I use Regal Tip Jazz, they are a little longer.
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Old 03-10-2008, 06:35 PM
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I currently use Vic Firth American Jazz 2

But ive also used bopworks in the past, check them out the have great jazz pioneer signature sticks @ http://www.bopworks.net/
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What size of sticks are were popular with Jazz drummers, let's say, in the bebop era?
Currently I got vater new Orleans Jazz sticks:)
I dont know what bop drummer used back then but I do play with the Vater New Orleans Jazz and two weeks ago I bought a pair of their new Super Jazz series and they are very nice, so if you like the Vater NOJ then look at these. I also tried the manhattan 7a too but they feel little bit too thin. I like their session series too.

I have also tried the Los cabos red hickory Jazz which are OK.
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I'm from the be-bob era, but I wasn't a drummer then. I use Regal Tip 7A and I use Regal Tip Jazz, they are a little longer.
There is no better rim-click than a Regal-Tip 7a IMO.Great jazz stick

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Old 03-10-2008, 10:37 PM
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My favorite stick for jazz playing since I was 18 have been the same design of Canadian rock maple sticks. Back in the 70's they were called Powertip CC. The current version are called Rimshot Pro Tip CC model made in Canada from Canadian rock maple. Have always liked the tapered design and balanced feel from these sticks in particular and the larger diameter of them too which feel much more comforable in my hands. Always disliked the traditional thin pencil like sticks considered jazz sticks when I was young jazz player because they never felt right in my hands and could not get the full woody sound on the ride cymbal I wanted to hear which the Powertip CC always did back then and which I currently get with the Rimshot Pro Tip CC maple model perfectly. Great jazz sticks IMO! Also here in Canada they are only $4.75 a pair. Compare that to the $15.00 a pair sticks made by the big guys at the moment and it's a even more handsome looking jazz stick for me at present.
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Old 03-10-2008, 10:48 PM
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i use vater sweet rides....they may not be typically a "jazz stick" but they work for me!
nice sound on the cymbals and for me a fantastic weight to thickness ratio and they feel amazing to play...

the peter erskine signitures are similar and also try his signiture ride sticks, the tip on them makes a gorgeous sound and although they are quite thick weigh next to nothing :)
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What size of sticks are were popular with Jazz drummers, let's say, in the bebop era?
Currently I got vater new Orleans Jazz sticks:)
Take directly from the Bopworks drum sticks site:

Bopworks sticks are essentially a recreation of a 50’s/60’s jazz stick using modern day technology. Research on tip length and shoulder tapers using 50’s/60’s model sticks has enabled us to produce a stick that has has a unique “old school” feel. This drastically changes the response of the stick. You can play “off” your ride more at fast tempos because there is simply less weight up front, and the unique tip guarantees a full sound. Of course, unlike older sticks, Bopworks are pitch paired and matched for weight.

So if you are looking for sticks like that, Bopworks is the way to go. Also they are made with HICKORY wood like they use to be made as well.
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Old 03-10-2008, 11:54 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll check all these out. :)
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My favorite jazz sticks are Vic Firth AJ6's.
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Yes, Bopworks recreates those sticks from the era you were asking about.
Last saturday I attended a Jazz workshop and used the trio drummer`s hickory sticks.
I have to say that I can play with those, too...but I do prefer my Vic Firth Maple 7A.
They`re 15 1/2" in length and .540" thin. I really like those lighties.

Another stick I really like is the Vic Firth Maple SD4. A bit longer and a little bit thicker.

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Vic Firth American Jazz series....good stuff
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Old 03-13-2008, 09:15 AM
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Yes, Bopworks recreates those sticks from the era you were asking about.
Last saturday I attended a Jazz workshop and used the trio drummer`s hickory sticks.
I have to say that I can play with those, too...but I do prefer my Vic Firth Maple 7A.
They`re 15 1/2" in length and .540" thin. I really like those lighties.

Another stick I really like is the Vic Firth Maple SD4. A bit longer and a little bit thicker.

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I like these as well as the Vic Firth 8D Jazz model in the Hickory wood which is a lengthened version of your 7A, which is a fine stick as well!

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Old 03-18-2008, 03:49 AM
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Some I use:

Vic Firth Jazz Series AJ4,6,
Zildjian John Riley Signature Sticks
Promark Elvin Jones Signature Sticks
Promark Michael Carvin Signature Sticks
Vic Firth Peter Erskine Ride Stick
to name a few sticks used for jazz..
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Old 07-22-2009, 05:33 AM
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I'm not sure what the drummer greats used as sticks back in the day but that would be interesting to look up. For jazz I've been using Vic Firth's Estick. .563 wide and 16.5 inches long. This stick is great. It's thin yet provides great reach. And most drum chains don't carry them. I was able to get mine by going to a family owned music store and they had to be ordered.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:01 PM
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I've used several different pairs of jazz sticks throughout the years. About a year ago I discovered sticks made by Zildjian called Heavy Jazz sticks. They're made from laminated birch, are 16" in length, diameter of .540 inches and have just a slightly heavier feeling than a regular 7A stick. I can easily transition to different genres of music without having to change sticks to a 5A or something similar. The Heavy jazz sticks hold up very well without premature tip softening, chipping or breakage.

Here's a picture of a new pair.



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Old 07-24-2009, 06:40 AM
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I have only been playing jazz for one year and I started using my Vic Firth 8D's I have recently switched to Vic Firth Peter Erskine Ride sticks, they work for me!
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Old 07-27-2009, 07:34 PM
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I'm a little surprised that nobody has mentioned Headhunters sticks yet. Their maple sticks are quite amazing. After using Vic Firth 8D's and AJ2, I recently tried out the Headhunter B-Bop maple stick, and it blew me away.
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I'll second the Pro-Mark Elvin Jones stick. I use the oak version. Lots of rebound.

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Old 08-06-2009, 07:16 PM
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The Vic Firth Steve Jordan signature sticks work very well for jazz. They're 16 &1/2 inches long, .525 in diamater (same as the Peter Erskine model), with a long taper and small barrel tip.
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I'm looking into trying the Vic Firth Joe Porcaro sticks. A few diameter options with a diamond tip to offer a sharper definition without the harshness of nylon (although that it a separate option). Regal Tip Jeff Hamilton sticks are fine too (I've got a pair) but I think I'll try the regular 7A as it's a bit thicker and more like the original jazz sticks from the swing/bop era. More importantly I want a stick with the old style tips for definition which is where I find problems with Promark and Vater as most of their models have rounded tips. I'm thinking of ordering those Bopworks Krupa Models too.
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I've used several different pairs of jazz sticks throughout the years. About a year ago I discovered sticks made by Zildjian called Heavy Jazz sticks. They're made from laminated birch, are 16" in length, diameter of .540 inches and have just a slightly heavier feeling than a regular 7A stick. I can easily transition to different genres of music without having to change sticks to a 5A or something similar. The Heavy jazz sticks hold up very well without premature tip softening, chipping or breakage.

Here's a picture of a new pair.



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I'll second those, they are the most versatile sticks I have, I even used them in concert band for a few songs. And they are incredibly durable.
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It's all about dem Vater 7A Manhattans.
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not sure of the sizes from that era... but we just took the peter erkshine jazz tip and put it on the david weckle shaft and taper but made it with jatoba for a client...dubbed it "the erkle"

small tips and 7a-5b shaft sizes seem to be what jazz drummers look for but we do get ones who want as small as possible to be extra quite
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Vic Firth SD4 Combos work great for me and they're the stick I currently use. In the past I have used Regal 7A & 8A & Vater 7A and 8A in Maple. I have a pair of Vic Firth AJ3's that I have been meaning to try but I am really stuck on the SD4's.
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not sure of the sizes from that era... but we just took the peter erkshine jazz tip and put it on the david weckle shaft and taper but made it with jatoba for a client...dubbed it "the erkle"

small tips and 7a-5b shaft sizes seem to be what jazz drummers look for but we do get ones who want as small as possible to be extra quite
i heard that the peter erskine heat tips are bad for cymbals, true??
i ask this because i was thinking of getting a pair, but i don't want them to funk up my cymbals
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i heard that the peter erskine heat tips are bad for cymbals, true??
i ask this because i was thinking of getting a pair, but i don't want them to funk up my cymbals
I've got both models (the regular and the "ride" version) of his sticks (wood tipped) and use them regularly. If anything you're cymbals will be bad for the sticks. Meaning, I've actually gone through more sticks because the tips are so small that the impact gradually splits the tips. I'd say that's about the only downside of them. Both models feels great. You'll still get the usual stick marks, but nothing out of the ordinary.
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I've got both models (the regular and the "ride" version) of his sticks (wood tipped) and use them regularly. If anything you're cymbals will be bad for the sticks. Meaning, I've actually gone through more sticks because the tips are so small that the impact gradually splits the tips. I'd say that's about the only downside of them. Both models feels great. You'll still get the usual stick marks, but nothing out of the ordinary.
thanks for the advise, i actually ,to my surprise, saw a pair in a local drum shop today. They were a bit too wimpy for me, mabye it's the head, and i used the elvin jones promark stick! i might just buy a pair of the ride sticks on the net, hopefully they'll be good
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I have to wonder. Is there such a thing as a jazz stick? There are so many different kinds of sticks, pretty much enough to work for any body-type and technical approach and so on, so why would jazz drummers by necessity use only one type of drum stick? Why couldn't a jazz drummer use a 2B stick if that works for him?
Are the lighter sticks generally prefered by jazz drummers? If so I have to wonder why.
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I have to wonder. Is there such a thing as a jazz stick? There are so many different kinds of sticks, pretty much enough to work for any body-type and technical approach and so on, so why would jazz drummers by necessity use only one type of drum stick? Why couldn't a jazz drummer use a 2B stick if that works for him?
Are the lighter sticks generally prefered by jazz drummers? If so I have to wonder why.
i think that i might be like asking why do a lot jazz drummers use trad grip? it's a feel issue
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It's also a sound issue, especially on the ride cymbals. A smaller tip on a lighter stick will make a sound noticeably different from that of a heavy stick with a big tip.

Though Tony Williams did just fine with a 2B-sized stick.
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For very light jazz work I use Vic Firth Jazz AJ6. For regular use I like the Firth AJ5 and AJ4. If it's a venue that requires a little more sound I use Sound Percussion (Guitar Center) Funk. Go figure. Even though the bead is a bit "knobbier" I like the sound of my cymbals with that stick. All wood tip sticks for better sound but be prepared to replace them over time as the beads get shredded with use.
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There is an observable, objective difference in sound between sticks with different tip sizes and shapes. I guess Tony just used the 2B to make his own, signature sound. It's all up to what you find works best for your situation. Most jazz drummers find that smaller tips on lighter sticks work best in their situation, just like most jazz drummers prefer thinner cymbals with darker and more complex sounds. There are no rules set in stone, but there are some general tendencies.
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just a heads up, the ed shaughnessy model stick by promark looks like a good jazz stick, but in my opinion, it is'nt
i say this because i bought a pair a while back and i never use them, they sound like 2B's.
just thought i'd mention this because they have a round tip that looks good fo jazz, ye might be drawn in by it
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I don't know. For one thing, how do you know that? For another, why would lighter sticks "work better" for jazz? It makes no sense. And finally, why aren't any of the actual jazz drummers on this forum, like Steamer or The Colonel or anyone else posting in this thread?
Just wondering, that's all.
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I don't know. For one thing, how do you know that? For another, why would lighter sticks "work better" for jazz? It makes no sense. And finally, why aren't any of the actual jazz drummers on this forum, like Steamer or The Colonel or anyone else posting in this thread?
Just wondering, that's all.
The overwhelming majority of jazz drummers I've seen live or through videos use thin sticks with small tips.
The overwhelming majority of jazz drummers' signature stick models are small sticks with small tips.
The overwhelming majority of jazz drummers who responded to stick related threads on various message boards I frequent stated preference for small sticks with small tips.

I kind of took the hint from that.

As to why would lighter sticks with smaller tips work better for jazz, it's because of the sound they produce in contact with cymbals and drums. Take a 2B, hit a ride. Repeat the same with a 7A. Notice any difference? The 7A has a woodier sound, with more click and less ping.
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the peter erskine ride stick is so so so good!
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I don't know. For one thing, how do you know that? For another, why would lighter sticks "work better" for jazz? It makes no sense. And finally, why aren't any of the actual jazz drummers on this forum, like Steamer or The Colonel or anyone else posting in this thread?
Just wondering, that's all.
At least for me its because there is no such thing as a specific one size fits all "jazz" stick per individual player and because personally i've covered my choice{s} in many other threads on this subject before on DW.

Right now {as in the last year} i'm still using the same innovative in design Hornets Raw 7A's and 5A's made of high grade hickory. Not your run of the mill in design 7A or 5A though these have some girth to hold onto and feel perfectly balanced in my hands due to their unique design. Great ride cymbal click sound and sound great for a clear sound on the drums too. These aren't those thin little pencil like 7A sticks that i'm totally allergic too. I like and have always liked the feel in my hands and sound of larger wood tip sticks mostly made of Canadian rock maple for acoustic jazz playing. Speaking of which I also use the Canadian made maple grooves Headhunters CC model Canadian rock maple sticks.

Links to both sticks for those interested in some drumstick products off the beaten path:

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At least for me its because there is no such thing as a specific one size fits all "jazz" stick per individual player and because personally i've covered my choice{s} in many other threads on this subject before on DW.

Right now {as in the last year} i'm still using the same innovative in design Hornets Raw 7A's and 5A's made of high grade hickory. Not your run of the mill in design 7A or 5A though these have some girth to hold onto and feel perfectly balanced in my hands due to their unique design. Great ride cymbal click sound and sound great for a clear sound on the drums too. These aren't those thin little pencil like 7A sticks that i'm totally allergic too. I like and have always liked the feel in my hands and sound of larger wood tip sticks mostly made of Canadian rock maple for acoustic jazz playing. Speaking of which I also use the Canadian made maple grooves Headhunters CC model Canadian rock maple sticks.

Links to both sticks for those interested in some drumstick products off the beaten path:

http://www.hornetsdrumsticks.com/ite...sp?item=258050

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