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Old 02-28-2008, 09:31 PM
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I knew I was only lying to myself when I said there would be no new drums in 2008 (I do have a Taye Pro-X coming next week too but that's another thread). But, Frank and I worked out a good deal that was too hard to pass up, so I decided to order a Unix Stave kit. On that note, my Gretsch New Classics are for sale if anyone is interested!

The set should be completed next week or the week after and I should have it shortly after that. Here are the specs with progress pics:

Shells: African Mahogany w/ Re-rings
Sizes: 14 x 20 bass, 14 x 14 floor, 8 x 12 tom, and 5 x 14 snare
Bearing Edges: Fully Rounded Over
Finish: Nothing official yet as far as the final color goes. Frank is sending me some samples but I'm thinking of a vintage brownish/amber satin finish with slightly darker contrasting bass drum hoops.

Lugs: Beavertail. Split on toms/bass, single double end on snare.
Bass Hardware: Vintage Butterfly Claws, T-Rods, and Vintage "Yamaha Style" Spurs
Floor Tom Brackets: Oval
Snare Strainer: Nickelworks

You can tell I'm going for a vintage vibe. Basically the picture in my mind when I think of the finished kit will resemble something like this:



Here are the progress pics as of 2-27-08

100' of Mahogany (3 kits including mine were being made from this wood)



The Wood After Being Cut into Staves



The Glued, Un-Lathed Shells.
Mine is the 3 Piece with the arrow pointing to it. The snare was not pictured. Our buddy Tuxido is going to be the proud owner of the Birch shells next to them.



Added 2-28-08 Glued, Un-Lathed Shells, This Time with My Snare



Added 03-11-08 The Floor Tom and Bass Drum are Stained.





Added 03-17-08 Stained Shells




Added 03-17-08 8x12 Tom with Mounted Lugs




Added 03-18-08



Added 04-01-08. When i have my other stands and can fully set the kit up there will be a new thread with pics and audio!






Finally! 04-03-08

Official completed kit thread with pics, audio, and a review

http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=426309

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Old 02-28-2008, 09:40 PM
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Great news Rob!!
Looks great so far...I´m looking forward to new pics!

PS: I`d love to get your New Classics...but the shipping and taxes...you know.

Anyway, good luck and congrats Rob!

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Old 02-28-2008, 09:55 PM
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Looks great. It will be fun watching this turn into a work of art. I bet you can't wait huh?
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:14 AM
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SteadyFreddy - I'm anxious but being patient :)

My snare is now completed and added to the pile of shells that Frank has to lathe.

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wow!
the nicest kit is in the front :)
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:43 AM
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Very cool! Nice to see something like this in the making.
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That is going to be something to brag about, can't wait to see the completed kit. Rounded BE's plus the Mahogany will have amazing sound, dieing to hear sound clips when they arrive.
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Old 02-29-2008, 04:17 AM
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I think I saw this Ford set, or a similar one in a magazine recently. A dream kit.

One great thing about dealing with Unix is that you'll have as much pleasure defining what you want as you'll have when you'll actually get the thing.

This will be a unique set, and this might be the set that will put an end to your addiction :)

I'll watch this thread, but not too much. François's shop is about 90 minutes from where I live.
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Come on Rob. Just once keep a set of drums until the warranty runs out.
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Come on Rob. Just once keep a set of drums until the warranty runs out.
I know.. But I don't see myself getting rid of the Unix. Honestly the big reason why I went for it was because of the deal he gave me.

My Taye Pro-X came in but I haven't opened it yet. That I bought as a backup/gig kit.
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Sweet! Good luck surviving the wait for them, haha.
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Sweet! Good luck surviving the wait for them, haha.
Well, I've been waiting a month today and I have about two weeks left. They should be finished up next week and then about 5-6 days to ship.
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When you say the bearing edges are fully rounded over, are you referring to the 35 degree bearing edges?
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When you say the bearing edges are fully rounded over, are you referring to the 35 degree bearing edges?
Fully Rounded, as far as I know, are just that, fully rounded. No angle. But I could be wrong :)
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I know.. But I don't see myself getting rid of the Unix. Honestly the big reason why I went for it was because of the deal he gave me.

My Taye Pro-X came in but I haven't opened it yet. That I bought as a backup/gig kit.
Dude, I've had showers that have lasted longer than some of your sets! I hope you're going to keep the Unix for a while.
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Dude, I've had showers that have lasted longer than some of your sets! I hope you're going to keep the Unix for a while.
I plan on keeping it period.

Don't you have a Unix snare on order?
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I plan on keeping it period.

Don't you have a Unix snare on order?
I cancelled the snare order. I am going for a cocktail set - the first stave cocktail set I have ever heard of. I have wanted a cocktail set for a long time and I like any kind of non-ply construction, so it's a fit. Unix had to research some technical issues (he apparently can't make a shell that is deeper than its width due to instability during lathing) so he will have to make two shells and glue them together for the main shell. I really want to show off the stave construction and have it made of alternating light and dark woods. It will be a 14 by 24 to 28 main drum, an 8 by 4 snare and a 10 by 6 tom. I have researched a modified Gauger suspension mounting system for the tom and snare. I plan to order just the drilled shells and I will finish with lugs and hardware. I am saving my coin for this.
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I cancelled the snare order. I am going for a cocktail set - the first stave cocktail set I have ever heard of. I have wanted a cocktail set for a long time and I like any kind of non-ply construction, so it's a fit. Unix had to research some technical issues (he apparently can't make a shell that is deeper than its width due to instability during lathing) so he will have to make two shells and glue them together for the main shell. I really want to show off the stave construction and have it made of alternating light and dark woods. It will be a 14 by 24 to 28 main drum, an 8 by 4 snare and a 10 by 6 tom. I have researched a modified Gauger suspension mounting system for the tom and snare. I plan to order just the drilled shells and I will finish with lugs and hardware. I am saving my coin for this.
Sounds nice. Does he plan on maybe putting a pinstripe or something around where the shells join so you don't have a plain visible seam?
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Sounds nice. Does he plan on maybe putting a pinstripe or something around where the shells join so you don't have a plain visible seam?
I hadn't thought of that. I assume the seam will be hard to notice. He does very precise work. It's hard to see the stave seams on his drums. But I will ask him about that.
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I hadn't thought of that. I assume the seam will be hard to notice. He does very precise work. It's hard to see the stave seams on his drums. But I will ask him about that.
Oh yes that's true. I'm sure he'd be able to make it match up very well. But it might add a certain classiness to it anyway.

What are you going to have it made out of?
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Oh yes that's true. I'm sure he'd be able to make it match up very well. But it might add a certain classiness to it anyway.

What are you going to have it made out of?
I have thought of having the top and bottom sections of the main drum offset one stave. What do you think of that?

As for the woods, I'm not sure. Maybe some light maple against something naturally dark. I don't know too much about woods. What is a common dark wood that would look good with this? I'm sure any good hardwood would sound nice and stave construction gives the sound I'm looking for. So at this point it's more about the esthetics of the contrasting stave colors. Due to the lathing process, there can be no staining. It will have to be completely natural colors.
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I have thought of having the top and bottom sections of the main drum offset one stave. What do you think of that?

As for the woods, I'm not sure. Maybe some light maple against something naturally dark. I don't know too much about woods. What is a common dark wood that would look good with this? I'm sure any good hardwood would sound nice and stave construction gives the sound I'm looking for. So at this point it's more about the esthetics of the contrasting stave colors. Due to the lathing process, there can be no staining. It will have to be completely natural colors.
Offset staves would be interesting.

Why wouldn't Frank be able to stain this?

Maple and walnut would look nice I think.
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Offset staves would be interesting.

Why wouldn't Frank be able to stain this?

Maple and walnut would look nice I think.
I think the stain just penetrates into the top layer of wood and this layer is removed in the lathing process. Trying to mask off individual staves after lathing and sanding would be very time-consuming. I think it would be easier to have naturally dark and light wood, although that obviously limits the color options.
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I think the stain just penetrates into the top layer of wood and this layer is removed in the lathing process. Trying to mask off individual staves after lathing and sanding would be very time-consuming. I think it would be easier to have naturally dark and light wood, although that obviously limits the color options.
He does do stains though. Both Tuxido and myself are having stain. But, if you can I personally like the natural wood look better anyway. Having perhaps walnut/maple would be very nice.
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I'm officially calling first dibs on this set when you decide to sell it. Just kidding FSD, lol . This is going to be a sweet set and I wish you many,many, many years of enjoyment in the years ahead.
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I'm officially calling first dibs on this set when you decide to sell it. Just kidding FSD, lol .
You know deep down you're not entirely kidding :) It's going to take a while to gain some trust here that I'll keep it :)
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He does do stains though. Both Tuxido and myself are having stain. But, if you can I personally like the natural wood look better anyway. Having perhaps walnut/maple would be very nice.
Yes, he does do stains, but doesn't he stain the shells after he lathes them? What I'm looking for is an alternating dark-light pattern on the staves. If he stained the appropriate staves before assembly, wouldn't the stained layer get removed in the lathing process? It seems like the only alternative would be to stain every other stave a dark color after assembly, which would involve a lot of masking. Do you see what I'm saying?
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Yes, he does do stains, but doesn't he stain the shells after he lathes them? What I'm looking for is an alternating dark-light pattern on the staves. If he stained the appropriate staves before assembly, wouldn't the stained layer get removed in the lathing process? It seems like the only alternative would be to stain every other stave a dark color after assembly, which would involve a lot of masking. Do you see what I'm saying?
Yeah he stains after lathing, and it would involve masking, but knowing Frank there is no doubt that he'd be up for the challenge.
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I think I nailed it first shot Robert. Look the second pieces from left.
Do you want rering or not my friend.

As for keeping the kit, I am not affraid of that, the only reson you would not keep it is not because the quality would not be good but only because you want a different sound. As far as I'm concern I trusth completely my work.

And if you get rid of it, I'll kick your ass... lol...

Oh and by the way your kit is on the lathe.
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I think I nailed it first shot Robert. Look the second pieces from left.
Do you want rering or not my friend.

As for keeping the kit, I am not affraid of that, the only reson you would not keep it is not because the quality would not be good but only because you want a different sound. As far as I'm concern I trusth completely my work.

And if you get rid of it, I'll kick your ass... lol...

Oh and by the way your kit is on the lathe.
Perfect!

I think we had discussed no re-rings, so we'll go with that.
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On second thought I'm having Frank go with Reinforcement rings, which I believe will be lathed into the shell, so the shells will be pretty thin. Warmer tone, lower pitch, a bit more sustain, and not as much volume.
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On second thought I'm having Frank go with Reinforcement rings, which I believe will be lathed into the shell, so the shells will be pretty thin. Warmer tone, lower pitch, a bit more sustain, and not as much volume.
good idea, I would take sound or volume any day. what thickness will it be down to now?
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good idea, I would take sound or volume any day. what thickness will it be down to now?
I don't know, I'll have to ask or maybe he'll chime in.
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On second thought I'm having Frank go with Reinforcement rings, which I believe will be lathed into the shell, so the shells will be pretty thin. Warmer tone, lower pitch, a bit more sustain, and not as much volume.
Ok scratch this idea. It's going to add $150 - $200 to the price which I just can't swing, so I told Frank to leave the rings out. The kit will sound great either way.
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Ok scratch this idea. It's going to add $150 - $200 to the price which I just can't swing, so I told Frank to leave the rings out. The kit will sound great either way.
Because of the nature of stave construction, a thicker stave shell will sound as resonant as a thinner ply shell. Staves are the next best thing to natural whole wood and therefore conduct sound much more efficiently than a ply shell, which has glue and cross-lamination to muffle the tone.

The physics of the shell vibration in a stave is much different than ply. A thick stave shell will give you the warmth and tone of a thinner ply shell, with the attack and volume of a thick ply shell, and of course you can adjust these factors around with head type and tuning. So I wouldn't worry much about the shell being too thick.
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Ok scratch this idea. It's going to add $150 - $200 to the price which I just can't swing, so I told Frank to leave the rings out. The kit will sound great either way.
Well that's the first time I see you talking about buying stuff and actually not having the money. I was asking myself this afternoon what job you would have that you could switch drums so often. You've got this great kit coming and you've recently bought the Taye.

Totally offtopic by the way: I listened to all your funk-jam-tracks and I really loved them. Made my sunday even funkier yesterday :-).
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Well that's the first time I see you talking about buying stuff and actually not having the money. I was asking myself this afternoon what job you would have that you could switch drums so often. You've got this great kit coming and you've recently bought the Taye.

Totally offtopic by the way: I listened to all your funk-jam-tracks and I really loved them. Made my sunday even funkier yesterday :-).
Well I'm just nearing the point where I really can't spend any more so I'm holding back :) I may need an extra hardware set so that money could go to that.

I actually don't work. Due to my disability and other things I'm on government social security. With my wife's job we've just been fortunate, but that's over now. She's on the verge of killing me :)
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The floor tom and bass drum have been stained. The whole kit should be "finished" tomorrow 3-11-08, and assembled on Thursday 03-12-08.

I did decide to go with re-rings. You only live once :) Only on the toms and bass though. The snare will not have re-rings.



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